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Macedonians were of Illyrian stock. Modern greeks know this well. Hence they don't allow the examination of these Macedonian tombs. So far they have found there Illyrian bronze helmets. If I was living 2600 years ago, definitely I would be a 'wannabe Greek'. Life would be much easier for me

Yes, it is. It's the parent glade of R1b-L23 and PF7562. It is from the Calcolithic. It fits the best with IE linguistic candidate, and kurgans theory of IE tribes either. R1b-M269 moved from northern Iraq into Caucasus, there they founded the Maykop and later split into the so called Yanmaya...

Do we have any Y-dna Maykop samples so far?

I think they got me wrong. I'm not linking Albanians with Hittites. It's quite the contrary. I link mostly proto Albanians with the R1b-Z2103. This is my humble opinion.

Is this map showing, it picks in Kosova? That's kinda strange. Unfortunately, this map has no percentage estimates. It would be helpful

Sure, it's the main branch of Albanian R1b Y-dna. It makes Albanians being IE speakers. Furthermore, Z2103 is important in Armenians too. The original proto Armenian homeland was Balkans too. So it makes sense. Z2103 is the same as L51 for the Celtic branch. It makes sense; Germanic, Italics...

Z2103, was found near Danube at early third millennium bce. Proto-Illyrian. It doesn't mean it is exclusively Illyrian. It was probably Phrygian and Armenian as well. It is considered the eastern branch of L23. I don't know if there is any Z2103 found in Anatolian bronze age sites so far.

I didn't knew that they have Y-dna samples yet, from Maykop sites. Here in Eupedia I have read that they don't have yet any sample.

Most of Maciamo's analysis here looks correct to me. R1b-M269 is the original speaker of proto proto IE language. It originated somewhere in current northern Irak. They were herders whom migrated further north into Caucasus and later further north in the steppes (R1b-L23) and in Anatolia...

Asko Parpola believes that the language of the Botai culture cannot be conclusively identified with any known language or language family. He speculatively suggests that the Proto-Ugric word *lox for "horse", (reconstructed on the basis of Hungarian ló, Mansi lū and Khanty law, all meaning...

Thank you for your post. Anyway, my thread here is about the Hittites ruling class. They were IE speakers, hence they most have been at least a minority of R1 people. The rest of haplos are irrelevant. They probably were just enslaved or exploited by the IE warrior elite. Just remember the...

I thought the same about Kaskian, but I think Z2103 in Anatolia has a late bronze age origin which came via Balkans with the so called sea peoples, whose part were the Armenians too, 1200 bce. At this time we have a large mass of intrusion into Anatolia, which caused the crumble of Hittite...

Probably true. I know. My guess is what was the IE Y-dna of them. They were IE people and their ruling class should have been R1b-PF7562. This glade split earlier from other branches, soon after 4000 bce. It is the perfect candidate for the ruling class of Anatolia during the bronze age. The...

On your first paragraph, I think you got me a bit wrong here. My point about Z2103 was that all Z2103 prezent today in Anatolia and Armenia is due to the migration of people from Balkans during the end of Bronze age circa 1200, recorded as sea peoples, aka 'Mushki , Phrygians, and even possibly...

Do you have any source or link about Hittites Y-dna? Did they found anything yet? As long as they were speakers of a very old IE language, I presumed that the Y-dna R1b was one of the main lineages among them. I pointed to the old PF7562.

I think the R1b explained history in Eupedia is wrong about R1b-Z2103. It has a Balkanic origin, and probably moved in Anatolia during the end of the bronze age circa 1200 bce with the so-called sea peoples.

What was the Y-dna of Anatolian IE people? What do you think? My guess is that it would be R1b-PF7562. This subglade split off from its sister L23 during the early bronze age. This correlate with the linguistic study over IE languages we have until today. This makes IE homeland somewhere in...

Well, there are two reasons why the influence into Albanian language is a lot more Latin rather than Hellenic.1- Most of Illyrian linguistic area was further north of Jirecek line. 2- The Illyrians were mostly barbarian, hence they became part of Roman legions rather than being educated in Greek...

Another point to add here. Seems that Maciamo is another time not correct. As far as I know there's not yet been found any J2b2 nor J2b1 in southeast Europe during the copper age. How can be J2 related with the copper spread as long as the dominant Y-dna of Vinca culture was G2, and some less...

Is there any vague chance that copper metallurgy was spread independently in some few different sites?