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BY611 is a CTS1450 linage. Senior moments, R1b as just R1b, what have you been smoking lately my friend?

Sure, come back when we get a CTS1450 from Iron Age outside of the Balkans or I guess overall outside of Illyrian context.

No one made a big deal Even the Paeonian guy from Lisicin Dol is BY250- What was pointed out to you then, which seems like you didn’t get it, is that what these samples are showing is that Illyrians seem to have had quite some CTS1450 diversity.

The issue you run into when you theorize like Riverman, V13 vs L283, let’s say for Z5018 clades, you have to find a compact population that carried most of those clades to prove your theory, because you are missing over 2000 year gap between when those clades started diversifying and expanding...

Who knows what he considers ‘the most typical Illyrian’ Logically speaking, yes - one would think he is talking about L283.

Interesting, noticed I41663 at FTDNA they had him under Y229537 yfull node. Really good reads for FGC14730 and currently splits that yfull node: FGC14730 (G+) Y229640 (A-) Y229542 (A-) MF78736 (C-) I am seeing only some Tosks there, Gjirokaster/Vlore. Just above a sample from Kukes.

Yeah I think so, CTS699 was probably Mycenaean

Kek Why would i want him to be Creek 🤣 He’s probably mystery meat from some Roman/Avar mixed settlement but obviously ultimately from central/western Balkans

From this data set you have five confirmed BY611+ I41663 (Y32147) - South Slavic cluster, closest population wise to Pannonian Avars I43465 (PH970) - South Slavic cluster, closest population Montenegro High Medieval Doclea I40319 (BY611) - Slavic shifted, Hungary High Medieval closest...

I wasn’t saying it’s Illyrian. Yes, that’s a Roman site and I counted three V13, four J2a, one J1, one L283 and one G2a. It’s a Roman melt pot type of site, so without knowing the context of that sample we can’t say exactly what he is or how he formed that profile. He could be from such a site...

Btw, based on that G25 clusterer tool, the FTD60421 fella clusters with "Greece_BA_Epirus" and his closest population are "Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Hvar_Radosevic (BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile).

A possibility, sure.

I wouldn't make much of that female from Shtike. She obviously came to Albania during the migration era just by looking at her Mtdna. The whole tmrca of that clade is like only 1850: https://www.yfull.com/mtree/U4c1/ The unfortunate thing is that they only got us one sample, and a female from...

Yeah, those may be Iapygians - there was a ‘leak’ that one of them may be BY251, so could be one of those samples. But yes, core seems Illyrian Cinamak like. I28428 is even PH925, like that other Cinamak sample, Beli Manastir R3542 and that Czech Hallsttat I14983 fella.

Interesting, only few are major outliers - the rest seem to be between Cinamak and that Thracian cluster. Can you label all of their IDs so I know which ones to drill into?

This guy seems to have lower coverage overall but he is Z2705- Can you plug all of these guys on a PCA? I16767 I18797 I25954 I26211 I26204 I26506 I26695 I26724 I28428 I28424 I29153 I29184 I29484 I131639 I131710 I43560

FTD60421 is a shallow sublcade, only like 1700 years old and mostly represented by Tatars now days: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-FTD60421/story Their closest relative under Y79836 is an Anglo American at 2900ybp.

Obviously I40319 and I39569 are not telling us much besides that BY611 was more widespread - I mean we have a German from Poland and a Sardinian as BY611*, so these samples don’t change the picture much. I41663 and I43465 seem to be in a sea of Slavic linages like CTS10228 so the context should...

I40319 is in a odd mix if we are to go by the sample IDs. He is R1b-BY611* (xY23373, Y30192) I39569 seems more like in a Balkan mix considering the V13 samples around there. He too is R1b-BY611* (xY23373, Y30192)

I wouldn't jump the gun without any context even if they come from the neighboring slavic speaking countries. They are probably medieval or even more recent, especially I41663 fella. So far I41663 seems to be Y32147* (no coverage for Y133365 but negative for below branches. Same thing for...