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Jason- no need for apologies. It's interesting that you indicate you paternal ancestry is from Maldova. That would certainly support the authors theory on Z161. Although the presence of Z161 in bronze aged Russia fire haired identified does raise a flag of concern. It's just too bad no one...

Hold on, hold on - we are drifting off topic. This thread is NOT about M223 it is about it's sub-clade Z161. Right now I am looking asking about a limb on the tree, not asking about the roots - those are subterranean to the conversation. There are plenty of other threads you can debate that.

Thanks for the response. I've read most of the papers that would seemingly be related to M223 Z161 but unfortunately most don't address Z161. When Hg I is addressed in most of these studies, they focus on SNPs further upstream - like M170 and M223 rather than as far down as Z161. I personally...

Just curious, does anyone know the reference(s) used to the compile the write up of I2a2a3 (Z161+) under the genetics section? It's an awesome write up - I'm just curious as to the source of the information is.