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The Germans have a different approach to migrants than do Americans, Canadians, Brits and others. The Germans aren't an individualist nation in comparison and are rather collectivist. This is actually a good thing for those wishing to preserve the German nation as is and avoid the difficulties...

Croatian, from a county in Bosnia along the border with Central Dalmatia. He and I are related through his paternal line by way of my paternal grandmother's paternal line.

The guy who did the BigY is a cousin of mine.

Over at 23andMe Romania comes in 3rd place for me in Ancestry, actually ahead of Serbia which comes 4th. I don't know if this is due to 23andMe customer selection bias (more Romanians than Serbians in their overall customer base) but it is interesting, especially as Dambovita County pops up as...

Saric is a charlatan and pseudohistorian. All one needs to do is to take a look at his credentials. He is this generation's Jovan Deretic.

Where are you getting this information on these Serb families? I know that there is one from Glamoc but I haven't seen the rest. As for YFO7839 their migration to their present location occurred in the mid-18th century from today's Siroki Brijeg, and specifically Mostarsko Blato. BTW what...

And with that I'll go back to lurking since there is not much to be learned here and there is way too much ethnic self-aggrandization, historical anachronisms, etc.

I've seen you at other forums and this is why people mock you. You are one of the types that engages in historical distortion and self-aggrandization. Your desire to force White Croats into discussions about genetics when NOT ONE SINGLE WHITE CROAT DNA RESULTS EXISTS makes you the Croatian...

Show me the DNA results of one single White Croat. Please provide the grave location and the academic paper with the results. If you're saying that we don't have DNA results for any White Croats then we have no idea what White Croats were like DNA-wise as it would mean there is no evidence...

Outside of the remnants of those in Stolac, Popovo Polje and Ravno they are extinct. If you want to make sweeping assertions, then back them up.

We don't know that. We don't know whether Markec from 8th century Zagorje saw his great-great grandfather come from the same tribe as Dmitar from 8th century Biskupija's great-great grandfather. Markec's ancestor who arrived in Zagorje could have come from an earlier migration from a different...

Okay, so prove that someone from today is a direct descendant of the White Croats. Please provide an autosomal or Y-DNA test of the person and a family tree that goes back to White Croatia during the Medieval Era.

Red Croatia is highly disputable as its rests on very little source material. We know that there were a lot of Catholics in Eastern Hercegovina during a period under the Ottomans, but they either migrated, converted, or died off. As of Chelebiya, he simply attached the geographic names to...

To cut it short: there is no historical evidence for a Croatian ethnic consciousness in Slavonia (area incorporating both Medieval and present-day Slavonia) prior to the Pacta Conventa. With the area east of Pozega, not prior to the liberation from the Turks. ...unless you can show otherwise...

Is there a lab anywhere that has tested the DNA of a White Croat? Do we have any graves of White Croats that have been excavated?

1. I was referring to pre-Pacta Conventa Slavonia which was not under Croatian rule. 2. Croatia only extended to Petrova Gora (some say possibly as far as Pozega) while it was its own independent kingdom 3. The people of the area north of Petrova Gora were not yet part of the Croatian Ethnic...

No, this is incorrect. They were not synonyms. The Croatian name was not present in today's Slavonia until AFTER the removal of the Turks. Medieval Slavonia went further west as it encompassed Zagreb. This part of then-Slavonia was not Croatianized until much later than Dalmatia/Lika as...

I used to think the bolded part was true but there is scant evidence for that. We have some evidence that the language used by Slavs was from time to time referred to as Croatian (or sometimes Naski, Ilirski, Slovinski). A Croatian ethnic consciousness south of the Neretva River is a...

Rather than insult you I'll let Trojet come to my defense when it comes to the issue of ethnicity over the centuries in Balkans. Every single one of us in this region is guilty of self-aggrandization whether it be Croatians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Albanians, Greeks, and so on. No shit.

No, they made it all the way down to the outskirts of Thessaloniki. Probably because these tribes of Slavs had not yet achieved ethnogeneis, just like the Slavs, mixed Slavs, or Vlachs, or Proto-Albanians, etc. in Dalmatia, Doclea, etc. Serbs and Croatians who migrated down to the Balkans did...