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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    Same case as with Britannia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia The country got its name from the name of a Roman province.
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    You should know that the term "lingua Illyrica" and simmilar has nothing to do with the ancient Illyrians. It was a kind of a fashion in the middle ages and later, among the western intellectuals, to name contemporary populations after the ancient ones. The term was, in most cases, used to name...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    These are the 19th century fairtales. :D "Publisher: Realschulbuchh., 1816" :D Austrian Slavists and historians of that time had pretty much distroded view of the ethnicities in the area that they knew very little about. When I'll have time I wil present you the evolution of their...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    That was my point. Before the establishment of the modern Serbian language (created by Vuk Karadžić), it wasn't unusual for the Serbs to speak different languages. Could that be the reason why Serbian intelligentsia were sticking so hard to the artificial church language until 19th century? The...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    I agree. These never existed as real ethnicities. On the other hand, it is possible that members of any ethnic group become Serbs, even massively, only by falling under the Serbian Church jurisdiction. I have Aromanians (Tsintsars) on my mind.
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    To make it all that even more clear let me point to an observation of Russin consule Aleksandar Fedorovič Giljferding (Александар Федорович Гиљфердинг) who visited Serbia and neighbouring lands in 19th century: Giljferding records in his travels an observation that for the Serbs nationality...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    I already explained what ethnonym Servian meant in Venetian and Italian sources. It had regional meaning. The Church Slavonic term "Srblji" was used in texts produced by Serbian notars and priests. Local Catholics in Cattaro (Kotor) and Ragusa (Dubrovnik) were mostly using the term Rascian...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    Regarding Austrian archives, there is also all kinds of nonsense there, especially in the light of the fact that, durring 18th and 19th centuries, Austria, as a Catholic empire, had a large problem to integrate Orthodox believers, who recently migrated from the Ottoman territories, into its...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    There are numerous documents that show that people from Kotor (Cattaro), especially those who were using Slavic language, considered themselves Croats througout history. However, the confusion about their ethnicity comes from the fact that Italians (Venetians) sometimes called the whole area...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    You made nothing "clear". You started with false premise. There was no such ethnicity as "Catholic Serbs". It is logically impossible! It would be something. like Hindu Muslim or wooden iron. Before modern times Serbs were exclusivelly Orthodox Christians. No others were ever called themselves...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    So you started your topic called "The Serbian nation and their genetics" by claiming that the large part of Croatian nation are actually Serbs. Really? Why do you need that maneuver, I mean, to "convert" Croats to Serbs prior even starting to discuss Serbian genetics? Btw. "Catholic Serbs" is...
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    The Serbian nation their genetics

    In his book Serbia: The history of the Name, the British historian of Serbian roots Stevan K. Pavlović wrote: "I could not isolate a dispersed group of people called Serbs, which lives with other peoples, which was rarely united even when lived in the same country, and that I put under a...
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    Films & Series Favorite Historical Movies

    Harrrison's Flowers (2000) Director Élie Chouraqui Cast Andie MacDowell Adrien Brody Elias Koteas Brendan Gleeson https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0216799/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 War in Croatia seen by photojournalists. IMO one of the best war movies ever. Brutally realistic and...
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    LivingDNA Living DNA - Autosomal results

    That is a good question. I don't know how exactly that regions are formed, but I recognize that the regions pretty much follow the autosomal clustering that I saw in papers. That means that the geographical borders are not that important and the map is not meant to be accurate in that regard.
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    LivingDNA Living DNA - Autosomal results

    The links with Italy and Spain may be a signal of Roman colonists. However the shading is much stronger in Greece, Moesia and Macedonia which indicates mostly the local origin. These percentages are probably the cummulative values of all time periods. Tuscany is here just a proxy. It would be...
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    LivingDNA Living DNA - Autosomal results

    About the division. It seems that they formed regions according to the genetic clustering rather then cultural, political or linguistic one. Data indicate that Serbs from Serbia usually group closer to Bulgarians and Romanians. I don’t know if the western Serbia is included in the western...
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    LivingDNA Living DNA - Autosomal results

    That is the area of the initial spread of Orthodox Slavs (Serbs, Bulgarians) including Vlachs who later moved north to the territories of present day Romania. The borders of Bulgarian Empire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bulgaria_Simeon_I_(893-927).svg Here is the division line...
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    Can't open an attachment

    I can't open any attachment. Instead I get this message: E. g. this one: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9476
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    Classify Ukrainians

    Here it is: "Craniometric Relationships among Medieval Central European Populations: Implications for Croat Migration and Expansion": http://www.academia.edu/11750795/Craniometric_relationships_of_medieval_Central_European_populations_Implications_for_Croat_ethnogenesis
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    Ancient Lombard DNA

    This could be helpful too. Dalmatian Bronze age women from Jazinka Cave plots in the middle of present day Bulgarian cluster: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303044230_Preliminary_results_of_a_prehistoric_human_ancient_DNA_time_series_from_coastal_and_hinterland_Croatia
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