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Distance to: Anthony_C_scaled 0.02643340 Epirus 0.02770238 Illyricum_Dalmatia 0.03118023 MKD_Anc:I10391 0.03207008 Moesia_Dardania:Serbia_Viminacium_J2b2_L283 0.03208134 Illyricum_Histria 0.03328139 MKD_BA:I7231 0.03329729 MKD_Anc:I10388 0.03407186 MKD_Anc:I10390...

Your first statement is super far-fetched. Am I reading you right? Mainland Greeks from the Classical through Hellenstic period were "Calabrian like" in the North (Northern Greece) to Aegean like in the South? That's putting a hell of a lot impetus on the Slavic settlements of the 7th c. You're...

Distance to: tonyc 2.36448726 ALB_Mdv:I14622 4.37383127 MKD_Anc:I10389 4.42727907 ALB_PostMdv:I14686 5.04591914 ALB_PostMdv:I14685 5.75075647 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744 5.89841504 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15463 6.11912575 ALB_PostMdv:I15706 6.36374104 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251 6.77552950...

Our of curiosity where are they getting these samples? Certainly not academic.

@eupator I'm not sure why you have such animosity towards certain Greek groups (at least that's the vibe I'm getting). Truthfully I'm all about Greek as a cultural identity not as a regional entity. I've said this before the only reason I mention Peloponnesians or mainlanders (in relation to...

Hey you act like I’m somehow involved and or connected to the War of Independence. I’m a third generation US citizen(family arrived in the US around 1900) but pretty proud of my family history both here (US) and in Greece. Btw this historian’s view of the Peloponnese during the Revolution...

”Murdering thugs of the Morea” pretty harsh characterization. There were atrocities on both sides but there was actually minimal bloodshed between Christians unlike the French Revolution. My family in the Morea fought to protect their villages and they yearned for autonomy religious or...

I keep coming back to Mehmet Ali's supposed scheme to slaughter the inhabitants of the Morea and replace them with Egyptians. Is there anything more to say-thank God for the West's intervention.

The Klephts were sort of forced into that lifestyle given the extreme poverty of the region.You had a number of wealthy Greek families who along with the Ottoman beys taxed the peasants and this I'm sure contributed to their angst. In the Morea I believe the "hatred" for the Turks came from...

Honestly I sometimes wonder had Greece remained under Western Catholic influence (prior to the schism) and the Byzantine empire was restricted to Anatolia how life in middle age continental Greece would have been different. What if Venice had seized complete control of the Morea and made it a...

I was playing around with a number of Bronze age samples today just to get an idea of how they compared to both Italians and Greeks. I know this discussion has been had in the past (beginning with LeBrok back a few years ago) but I wanted to see for myself the proximity of modern (Greek and...

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Very cool. I’d love to visit Scotland!

My father was the only one of eight to marry a Greek but he grew up in Cheyenne Wyoming not necessarily the hotbed of Greek American culture. You’re right I know tons of Greeks from Chicago and NY that remained ethnically insular. I was actually married to a Greek from Chicago and her parents...

My entire paternal side is mixed Greek/German, Greek/Irish, Greek/Scottish, Greek/Polish. Greeks tended to mix with Irish but also with Polish oddly enough.

I recently read about an autochtonous tribe called the Caucones (Caucasus connection) from Anatolia who migrated to Greece during the Chalcolithic or possibly very early Bronze Age and wondered if they may have contributed to the CHG in Myceneans and/or pre Mycenean tribes in the Peloponnese...

Distance to: Anthony_C_scaled 0.02160412 Greek_Thessaly 0.02221181 Albania_South 0.02430551 Albania_North 0.02469069 Greek_Macedonia 0.02520784 Greek_Peloponnese 0.02524797 Albanian 0.02625618 Greek_Eastern_Thrace_simulated 0.02735002 Greek_Central_Sterea_Ellada_simulated...

Updated K13 has my distance from Central Italy greater so not sure if with K13 it's a lack of a samples compared to G25 or what but there's a discrepancy. 2.65237629 Albanian_South_Albania 3.45168075 Greek_Laconia_Karitsa 3.53305817 Greek_Euboea_South 3.79386347 Greek_Messenia 3.80545661...

Here's my G25 modern pop averages comparison: Distance to: Anthony_C_scaled 0.02160412 Greek_Thessaly 0.02469069 Greek_Macedonia 0.02520784 Greek_Peloponnese 0.02524797 Albanian 0.02790092 Greek_Central_Macedonia 0.02822096 Italian_Marche 0.03157852 Italian_Molise 0.03171735...

Southern Italians/Sicilians cluster with Deep Maniots and/or Tsakonians (who are East Med like) but in general not standard Peloponnesians (more Balkan like) who are typically closer to Molise and/or Marche.