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  1. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Yeah, i had a somewhat similar view, with the only difference that i hypothesize I-CTS10228 to have entered the Balkans much earlier, with Celts such as the Volcae around 280 BCE, some of which entered Greece in what became known as the Celtic invasion of Greece (they reached Delphi)...
  2. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    He did mention it above my last comment, but that is not central Balkans. The Vučedol culture is a north-western EBA Balkan culture, which seems to have had ties with Greece, such as trading relations, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vu%C4%8Dedol_culture#Trade_with_other_cultures. As has been...
  3. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I am understanding you perfectly and i disagree with the parallelization of Y-DNA and atDNA (autosomal), even if it is just a supposition. Furthermore, Maciamo wrote that R1b-ht35 (L23, L51, L11, Z2103) was the first branch of R1b that emerged from the Pontic-Caspian steppe and therefore...
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    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Greeks could have been shifted north due to additional LBA migrations as well, which could have also been part of a more conservative proto-Greek cluster that hadn't mixed as much with pre-Greek populations. In the study we also have the female sample from "Armenoi" Crete dated to the 14th...
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    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Regarding J2, yeah, it's also certain that some J2 belonging to Phoenicians for example, certainly also carried Levantine ancestry when they colonized south of Cyprus. Some, not much i gather, also could have come during the Ottoman era. Take note that Cyprus was also under Assyrian rule for a...
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    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    My interpretation isn't based on that sentence though, but the PCA attached to the supplementary figure. Which by the way isn't that different from the case of Peloponnese which also seems to partially overlap. Here i include both PCAs for comparison. Deep Mani which was the most conservative...
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    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Yeah, here it is. Pretty much what the study also described, "finding that Mycenaeans are least differentiated from populations from Greece, Cyprus, Albania, and Italy". Italy (especially south) seems to have preserved its Aegean ancestry a little more, as a result of not assimilating any Slavic...
  8. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Southern Levant is closer probably due to the Philistine colonies established there during the LBA/EIA. Interestingly enough, the thread from Anthrogenetica (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?18960-G25-Distance-Maps-To-Modern-Europeans&p=622055&viewfull=1#post622055) where these maps were...
  9. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    @tyuiopman You write, "I wonder if Apishlu/Apislu, the name of the Kaskas who were allied with the Mushki and Urumu, is somehow related to Apollo. The Apishlu may have been Hattian and not Indo-European, but officially, just like the Mushki and Urumu, they are unclassified.". Personally i don't...
  10. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Well, science has already proven that Mycenaeans were largely indigenous to Greece, just like their fellow Minoans. That is to say, they were largely of Neolithic stock. Now, their steppe component is a different matter, and science can only evaluate what data we feed into it. And bearing in...
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    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Some Mycenaean examples of a "tholos" for comparison. Namely the famous "Treasury of Atreus" in Mycenae. And a less fortunate "tholos" at the site of Amblianos in Amphissa.
  12. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    From the study, "This analysis shows that all Bronze Age populations from the Aegean and Anatolia derived most (~62–86%) of their ancestry from an Anatolian Neolithic-related population (Table 1). However, they also had a component (~9–32%) of ‘eastern’ (Caucasus/Iran-related) ancestry.". Also...
  13. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    @tyuiopman You write, "As for Khaldi, his holy city was called Ardini. There was also a Urartian-era god named Ardinis, who seems to have been a separate deity from Khaldi. Anyway, in pagan Armenian, ar=sun and di=god, and the sun was worshipped as the primary god. Khaldi could theoretically...
  14. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    @tyuiopman You write, "Very interesting stuff, Demetrios!". Thanks. You write, "A few other possible connections that I've read: The Urartian god Khaldi (sometimes written Haldi) may have been related to Helios, the -di possibly being the Classical Armenian word for "god." It should be noted...
  15. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Catacomb seems to have been prevalent in R-Z2103 (R-Z2109 is also a subclade of it). The following is a map by Carlos Quiles showing the haplogroups from Catacomb, Poltavka, Balkan EBA, Bell Beaker, and other neighboring groups. As for the Greek connection, well, R-Z2103 seems to be the most...
  16. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    @Kelmendasi You write, "There seems to be some kind of a misunderstanding. I'm not saying that CTS1273 didn't expand from the Western Pontic steppe region, I'm saying that CTS1273 originated in the Balkans but ended up migrating to the Western steppe pretty early on. The sample from Dibra has...
  17. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    You write, "Theres no such language as "hallstatt", the non-greek lineages were either illyrian or celtic if you are calling them "hallstatt" since Illyrians also interacted with Hallstatt.". Sure there is a Hallstatt language, it's called Celtic. Hence why i wrote "And most of these...
  18. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Indeed, Corinthian Greeks (and their Korkyraean descendants) seem to have done most of the Greek colonization upon the Illyrian coasts. In a similar fashion that Miletians seem to have done most of the Black Sea colonizations.
  19. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    You write, "Of course, you explained the past in your style, now you are predicting even the future.". Yes, i am. And it is actually rationally based on the data. You write, "Demetrios, you have been discussing the origin of the Albanians for two days. This is not a thread about the origin of...
  20. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    You write, "I did not say it is because of the substrate as that is only one element. There are many pieces of evidence, from different fields, that suggest that the Romanian language formed south of the Danube. Read what Schramm has to say about it if you haven't had a chance until now.". But...
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