Peloponnese plots a bit closer to the northern shifted ancient Greek I used above than Crete reference.
However the Cretan-like ancestry is much higher than the LBA Greek despite the distance (The pops I use are not random but compatible with the historical context)
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Distances are much more important than how they are modelled and how they differ based on their neolithic components? And you say this confidently?
This is your respond to my argument that mainland Greeks can't be modelled without extra CHG/Iran N + extra Steppe?
If you really believe this...
Until 300 BC it was just the west coast (and to some extent the northern one) of Anatolia that was an inherent part of the Greek world. Almost the entire peninsula had non-Hellenic people, with their own languages, cultures and kingdoms.
It was after Alexander's death when the hellenization...
I didn't say the samples plot with central Italians. I said the most Steppe admixed are closer to central Italians comparing to the rest of the modern pops.
The more significant part though is not their closer modern pop but
1) They are modelled as Sardinian + Aegean, a combo of neolithic...
In my opinion what we see here is not some kind of modern-like samples, but samples clustering in a cline between Balkans and Anatolia which makes sense.
Even ignoring most of the samples and taking the higher Steppe admixed of them, we see that they plot closer to Central Italians because they...
Yes, I agree that such profiles existed. If I am not mistaken Herodotos for example was half Greek and half Carian.
However I doubt this profile was dominant in mainland Greece, Cyclades and Crete before Hellenistic era when I think this frequency
of this profile must have increased a lot in...
The Archaic era sample from Kastrouli, near Delphous, is modelled like Mycenaeans and Empuries classic era Greek.
We always see the Aegean + Sardinian combination which indicates ancient Greeks were plotting western of Anatolians and southern of Thracians which makes perfect sense.
It worth to...
So I made an average including the LBA Skourtanioti samples. They plot between the Mycenaeans and EIA Greek samples we already had and south Thracians. So nothing unexpected here. Pretty much the typical Hellenic results...
These samples do not change what we already knew.
There are some more northern shifted, as I mentioned before, plotting somewhat close to modern Central Italians and more interestingly (in my opinion) some plotting close to ancient Western Anatolians. There are also samples with the profile of...
I ran the samples. For most of them closer pops are South Italians and Aegean islanders/Maniots but still have a great distance to them similarly to the older samples.
There are indeed some samples that interestingly have higher Steppe and plot similarly to south Thracians, they are closer to...
I am not home now so I will check it thoroughly later.
Even if you are right I have some objections.
1)We have the other samples as well (from different studies). What is the dominant profile? Should we make an average? Most of the profiles you posted are Aegean-like, so we still need more...
Proto-Greek speakers carried high Steppe ancestry.
Studies (and common sense) indicate that the Steppe minority mixed with locals and the Steppe percentage dropped a lot.
We all know that Proto-Greek speakers, carried high Steppe related ancestry which was diluted by mixing with locals.
If you don't mind I would like more info about these BA samples
You embarrass yourself by being rude just because you don't like my opinion.
If you can give a solid argument why a classic Greek has significantly more Steppe than the post-Mycenaean mainland Greek samples and the same or even more than south Thracians I will be convinced. (Not to mention that...
Why a Greek of 500 BC would have significantly higher Steppe than a Pelponnesian and a Sterea Ellas Greek of 900 or 800 BC if we also think that more northern peoples like south Thracians and Peonians did not have much more STeppe than Greeks?
I think it is very simple. We are talking about extra Steppe, Yamnaya-related ancestry. It came with Slavs and ancient Balkanic peoples.
You say a greater part of it than we think was ancient Greek. What makes you believe that? The data we have say the opposite.
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