HarappaWorld Gedmatch, post and compare your admixtures to ancient and contemporary.

Middle-Late Bronze Age Steppe samples:

Gedmatch kit / culture and sample:

M690970Sintashta-RISE386
M277797Sintashta-RISE395
M608028Andronovo-RISE505
F999947Andronovo-RISE500
F999961Andronovo-RISE503
M472767Srubnaya-I0232
M217196Srubnaya-I0430

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Here is a comparison of ancient samples with use of Eurogenes K15:

File with data: http://www85.zippyshare.com/v/E6DR0qQl/file.html
 
Yamnaya/Afanasievo/Poltavka/Catacomb samples:

Gedmatch kit / culture and sample:

M828815Yamnaya-RISE552
M655536Yamnaya-I0231
M343758Yamnaya-I0443
F999968Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942Afanasievo-RISE509
M828784Afanasievo-RISE511
M766878Poltavka-I0440
F999946Catacomb-RISE552

If you check them with HarappaWorld:

Proportion of NE_Euro to Mediterranean admixture is about 2:1 for all these samples.

So if Armenian Chalcolithic scores 20 NE_Euro + 10 Med, it could all be from Yamnaya.

And Amerindian suggests some ANE (which could also be from Yamnaya).
Nope, Yamanya didn't have Med. Only Sintashta and Andronovo did.
Yamnaya Rise522Poltavka, mid YamnayaAfansievo Rise511SintashtaAndronovo
Population Population Population Population Population
S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian- S-Indian0.54
Baloch33.24Baloch30.06Baloch28.13Baloch17.64Baloch21.23
Caucasian6.58Caucasian7.57Caucasian2.18Caucasian- Caucasian2.4
NE-Euro56.02NE-Euro59.14NE-Euro63.76NE-Euro58.44NE-Euro56.39
SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian- SE-Asian-
Siberian- Siberian0.99Siberian1.64Siberian- Siberian1.93
NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian- NE-Asian-
Papuan- Papuan- Papuan- Papuan- Papuan-
American2.46American2.21American3.56American- American1.05
Beringian0.75Beringian- Beringian- Beringian- Beringian1.22
Mediterranean- Mediterranean- Mediterranean- Mediterranean23.06Mediterranean14.37
SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian- SW-Asian-
San- San- San- San- San-
E-African- E-African- E-African- E-African- E-African-
Pygmy- Pygmy- Pygmy- Pygmy- Pygmy0.06
W-African0.95W-African-W-African0.72W-African0.82W-African0.81


Surprising that they Sintashta and Andronovo don't have Caucasian. How could they get Mediteranean without getting Caucasian? WHG or maybe from Cucuteni farmers who were low on SW Asian and Caucasian? Here is Hungarian farmer:
NE7 Hungary
Population
S-Indian-
Baloch-
Caucasian19.04
NE-Euro16.69
SE-Asian-
Siberian-
NE-Asian-
Papuan-
American-
Beringian-
Mediterranean56.18
SW-Asian7.96
San-
E-African-
Pygmy-
W-African0.11

And WHG
K01, hungary, hunter gatherer
Population
S-Indian-
Baloch-
Caucasian-
NE-Euro82.06
SE-Asian-
Siberian-
NE-Asian-
Papuan0.2
American-
Beringian-
Mediterranean17.44
SW-Asian-
San-
E-African-
Pygmy-
W-African0.26
 
Middle-Late Bronze Age Steppe samples:

Gedmatch kit / culture and sample:

M690970Sintashta-RISE386
M277797Sintashta-RISE395
M608028Andronovo-RISE505
F999947Andronovo-RISE500
F999961Andronovo-RISE503
M472767Srubnaya-I0232
M217196Srubnaya-I0430

==================================

Here is a comparison of ancient samples with use of Eurogenes K15:

File with data: http://www85.zippyshare.com/v/E6DR0qQl/file.html
Srubna is similar to Sintashta and Andronovo. Different from Yamnaya and Catacomb culture. Baloch is half of Yamnaya and up to 20% Med.
Srubna culture, 3.5kya
Population
S-Indian-
Baloch19.64
Caucasian6
NE-Euro56.05
SE-Asian0.09
Siberian0.66
NE-Asian-
Papuan-
American0.2
Beringian0.15
Mediterranean16.91
SW-Asian-
San-
E-African-
Pygmy-
W-African0.29

Similar to Corded Ware
Corded Ware, Germany
Population
S-Indian0.24
Baloch7.51
Caucasian8
NE-Euro47.75
SE-Asian-
Siberian0.71
NE-Asian-
Papuan0.97
American-
Beringian0.08
Mediterranean31.31
SW-Asian3.25
San-
E-African-
Pygmy-
W-African0.18

 
Whatever "Caucasian" represents in this calculator, the Satsurblia number indicates it was present from very early times in the Caucasus. It's also clear that while it increased in Anatolia in the Chalcolithic, it was already present in the Anatolia EF; 37.64 is a significant number. For all the data shows that Iran Neolithic and Anatolia EF were distinct populations, they shared substantial percentages of the same component. (Caucasian)

There's an interesting comparison between Satsurblia and Iran Neolithic as well for "Caucasian":
Satsurblia: 54.15
Iran Neolithic: 24.97

Then we can look at the two Anatolia samples:
Anatolia EF: 37.64
Anatolia Chalcolithic: 48.14
Caucasian is a mystery, where it was hiding and when it came out.


Is it that the "Caucasian" was first in the area of the Iran Neolithic and then "Baloch" type ancestry entered from the southeast?
Nope, Baloch is also present in EHG and in Mal'ta. It was always in the area.
Samara HGMal'ta
PopulationPopulation
S-Indian-S-Indian10.13
Baloch14.33Baloch24.09
Caucasian-Caucasian-
NE-Euro75.62NE-Euro40.14
SE-Asian-SE-Asian-
Siberian-Siberian-
NE-Asian-NE-Asian-
Papuan-Papuan0.7
American9.62American17.71
Beringian0.15Beringian6.74
Mediterranean-Mediterranean-
SW-Asian-SW-Asian-
San-San0.3
E-African-E-African-
Pygmy-Pygmy0.19
W-African0.2W-African-

Do we have an Armenian Neolithic sample? I'd wait to draw any larger conclusions until we see those numbers
Still missing.
 
LeBrok:
Surprising that they Sintashta and Andronovo don't have Caucasian. How could they get Mediteranean without getting Caucasian? WHG or maybe from Cucuteni farmers who were low on SW Asian and Caucasian?

Srubnaya, Sintashta, and Adronovo are, what, 1000 years later, and a quite different people from Yamnaya and Catacomb, whether they have ancestry from them or are merely descended from some of the same people.
 
Gedmatch calculators seem to be rather good for ancients as well (not only for modern people).

Here is a PCA of ancient samples based on their admixture results in Eurogenes K15 calculator:

http://s16.postimg.org/d5v0tx1et/PCA_described.png

PCA_described.png

That PCA looks similar to PCAs from Lazaridis (which shows that Eurogenes K15 works quite well with ancients):

https://s32.postimg.org/qi9jt7u0z/wykres_PCA.png

wykres_PCA.png


http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v513/n7518/images/nature13673-f2.jpg

nature13673-f2.jpg
 
Srubnaya, Sintashta, and Adronovo are, what, 1000 years later, and a quite different people from Yamnaya and Catacomb, whether they have ancestry from them or are merely descended from some of the same people.
Tomenable said:
Yamnaya/Afanasievo/Poltavka/Catacomb samples:

Gedmatch kit / culture and sample:

M828815 / Yamnaya-RISE552
M655536 / Yamnaya-I0231
M343758 / Yamnaya-I0443
F999968 / Yamnaya-RISE548
F999942 / Afanasievo-RISE509
M828784 / Afanasievo-RISE511
M766878 / Poltavka-I0440
F999946 / Catacomb-RISE552

Middle-Late Bronze Age Steppe samples:

Gedmatch kit / culture and sample:

M690970 / Sintashta-RISE386
M277797 / Sintashta-RISE395
M608028 / Andronovo-RISE505
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500
F999961 / Andronovo-RISE503
M472767 / Srubnaya-I0232
M217196 / Srubnaya-I0430

I made a comparison of these samples in GedrosiaK12 and EurasiaK14 calculators:

http://s15.postimg.org/i0j40q2xn/Gedrosia_K12_Steppe.png

Gedrosia_K12_Steppe.png


http://s16.postimg.org/xktrcr9px/Eurasia_K14_Steppe.png

Eurasia_K14_Steppe.png


Graphs:

http://s11.postimg.org/wo3d4i5wj/Gedrosia_K12_Eurasia_K14_graphs.png

Gedrosia_K12_Eurasia_K14_graphs.png
 
And in Eurogenes K15:

Pop.North
Sea
AtlanticBalticEast
Euro
West
Med
West AsianEast
Med
Red
Sea
South AsianSoutheast AsianSiberianAmerindianOceanianNortheast AfricanSub Saharan

Yamnaya-RISE55230,98012,1228,8021,88004,5001,72000
Yamnaya-I023131,56010,5731,93017,7004,52003,73000
Yamnaya-I044329,295,2811,427,67020,02003,46002,88000
Yamnaya-RISE54835,581,5313,3933,08015,91000000,5000
Afanasievo-RISE50932,723,3613,3933,37016,21000000,95000
Afanasievo-RISE51130,660,1118,3228,76015,98002,27003,9000
Poltavka-I044028,69014,8730,62020,84003,08001,9000
Catacomb-RISE55230,98012,1228,8021,88004,5001,72000
Sintashta-RISE38640,1622,9412,3414,6807,74000000002,14
Sintashta-RISE39536,6923,2315,2619,8604,96000000000
Andronovo-RISE50526,0618,4214,9525,3109,4004,34001,51000
Andronovo-RISE50030,0524,3314,7222,3608,23000,32000000
Andronovo-RISE50338,8825,875,7421,607,91000000000
Srubnaya-I023230,5319,7916,7319,03011,25002,69000000
Srubnaya-I043044,7514,2812,6817,270,3410,02000,48000,18000
 
The main difference in Eurogenes K15 is much higher "Atlantic" for Sintashta/Andronovo/Srubnaya.

This "Atlantic" is strange, because both Mesolithic HG and Early Neolithic Anatolian Farmers score it.

Anatolian and Early European Farmers score a lot of West Med and East Med. Steppe people do not.

Samara & Karelia EHG don't score "Atlantic", but share "North Sea", "Baltic" & "East Euro" with WHG.
 
That PCA looks similar to PCAs from Lazaridis (which shows that Eurogenes K15 works quite well with ancients):

https://s32.postimg.org/qi9jt7u0z/wykres_PCA.png

wykres_PCA.png


http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v513/n7518/images/nature13673-f2.jpg
Chalcolithic Anatolia and Armenia is strongly pulled towards Europe/Steppe. It is closer to it than to Iranian Neolithic or CHG. This is what I'm getting from Harappa admixtures too.
Chalcolithic Iran is also pulled down and left. Down due to Levant/Baloch admixture and left due to Steppe/NE Euro.
Iran Recent plots with Armenia, again half way to Steppe/Euro from Iranian Neolithic.
Often I find PCA distances more telling than admixtures.
 
The main difference in Eurogenes K15 is much higher "Atlantic" for Sintashta/Andronovo/Srubnaya.

This "Atlantic" is strange, because both Mesolithic HG and Early Neolithic Anatolian Farmers score it.

Anatolian and Early European Farmers score a lot of West Med and East Med. Steppe people do not.

Samara & Karelia EHG don't score "Atlantic", but share "North Sea", "Baltic" & "East Euro" with WHG.
Perhaps Atlantic is what in HarappaWorld is called Mediterranean. WHG have it but not EHG. SHG have a bit of Med too.
 
Does anyone know Jews or Arabs, semitic people, run their genome through HarappaWorld? I wonder what admixture composition they brought in.
 
If not counting ~15% of European-like admixture after the Copper Age (migration from Bronze Age Steppe?).

Later also some Siberian-East Asian and African after 1400 AD (Timurid invasion added East Asian-Siberian?):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timurid_dynasty

Here is a comparison with use of Dodecad K12b calculator:

http://s17.postimg.org/vj5yem6jz/Iranians.png

Iranians.png


^^^
By the way, Arya is of Bakhtiari descent (they are a Lurish tribe from South-Western Iran):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakhtiari_people
Wow good to see this comparison. It seems that modern Iranians are basically almost the same from the iron age Persians, while in the copper age and neolithic there are differences like much less Caucasus in the neolithic and the lack of Atlanto Med and North Europe admix. Modern Iranians have again South Asian admix (that iron age Persians don't have), while SW Asian increased a bit (effects of Arab conquest?), Caucasus dropped a bit and appear a small African (African slaves?there is a black Iranian community afaik) and Asian admix.
 
Chalcolithic Anatolia and Armenia is strongly pulled towards Europe/Steppe. It is closer to it than to Iranian Neolithic or CHG. This is what I'm getting from Harappa admixtures too.
Chalcolithic Iran is also pulled down and left. Down due to Levant/Baloch admixture and left due to Steppe/NE Euro.
Iran Recent plots with Armenia, again half way to Steppe/Euro from Iranian Neolithic.
Often I find PCA distances more telling than admixtures.
If you look closer you can see that modern Iranians still plot closer to Chalcolithic Iran than to Armenia.

Modern Iranians still plot MUCH closer to the Neolithic Iran than to Bronze Age Steppe. And VERY close to Chalcolithic Iran. It seems that Iranians didn't change much since the Chalcolithic Iran.


What do mean with 'Levant/Baloch' in the same sentence? You mean because Levant went up & Baloch went down? Baloch is very different from Levant and both have nothing to with each other. Actually because of Baloch Iranians were shifted up north, closer to ancient ANE.
 
Wow good to see this comparison. It seems that modern Iranians are basically almost the same from the iron age Persians, while in the copper age and neolithic there are differences like much less Caucasus in the neolithic and the lack of Atlanto Med and North Europe admix. Modern Iranians have again South Asian admix (that iron age Persians don't have), while SW Asian increased a bit (effects of Arab conquest?), Caucasus dropped a bit and appear a small African (African slaves?there is a black Iranian community afaik) and Asian admix.
If you look at the PCA you can clearly see that modern day Western Iranians (Kurds & Persians) are very close to Chalcolithic (Copper Age) Iran. As you can see the closest population to Chalcolithic Iran are Kurds first and Iranians (Persians) second.


But I do agree with you that modern Iranians are practically the same to Iron Age Iranians. The Iron Age was the time of the Medes and Persians, it is when the Medes came to power. The Medes established the FIRST Aryan Empire, the Median Empire and therefore were responsible for the later Achaemenid, Seleucid, Parthian and Sasanian Empires. Although all of them were Aryan in nature. So, Kurds are basically the same as their direct Aryan ancestors the Medes who already existed at least in the Iron Age.


The most important fact (for me personally) is that there is a continuation between the ancient Medes/Persians and modern Kurds/Persians.
 
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Does anyone know Jews or Arabs, semitic people, run their genome through HarappaWorld? I wonder what admixture composition they brought in.
Your wish is my command. Population Spreadsheet for HarappaWorld :


PopulationS-IndianBalochCaucasianNE-EuroSE-AsianSiberianNE-AsianPapuanAmericanBeringianMediterraneanSW-AsianSanE-AfricanPygmyW-African
algeria0.462.322.820.530.320.360.140.250.190.5838.8830.200.4610.300.3411.83
assyrian0.2419.3751.671.190.050.090.370.420.150.268.1717.890.020.040.000.07
egypt1.022.5528.480.760.140.260.100.420.230.2516.6032.750.0811.300.544.53
egyptian0.263.0630.480.360.270.140.110.350.190.2912.8433.110.2612.420.155.69
iraqi-arab3.8018.7237.812.050.180.920.970.770.170.768.0321.890.482.330.570.56
iraqi-mandaean0.8420.1847.800.000.060.000.000.180.590.607.0822.210.000.450.000.00
jordanian0.599.4338.851.220.240.220.500.310.210.4311.8928.280.155.050.272.36
lebanese0.5410.8441.422.870.610.580.610.330.240.2113.0923.470.193.350.141.49
lebanese-christian0.369.8649.260.100.340.450.321.060.500.7211.6622.860.661.630.230.00
lebanese-druze0.7610.6549.860.350.440.460.201.270.471.0710.5820.740.541.930.510.17
lebanese-muslim0.9510.9845.291.550.350.980.441.080.651.1110.7120.830.663.160.600.67
libya0.451.0910.750.810.370.360.220.270.360.4726.5438.710.1010.730.368.40
moroccan0.900.303.710.580.070.200.080.210.190.0535.1332.210.0010.610.0215.75
morocco-n0.701.151.691.130.340.370.100.510.250.4946.2828.240.2910.200.058.20
morocco-s0.310.000.050.060.180.320.040.280.040.1736.3523.010.2612.530.4025.99
mozabite0.390.320.560.540.080.610.030.100.030.2639.5733.740.0110.070.0013.67
palestinian0.887.4039.301.030.260.140.100.350.190.1711.8131.000.234.700.192.26
saudi0.864.8926.181.160.160.160.160.220.300.163.3957.740.313.030.340.93
syrian1.7412.1841.072.970.280.460.210.220.190.4310.0725.360.192.640.261.73
yemenese2.447.8526.760.930.460.240.210.430.280.555.4035.590.338.241.448.85
ashkenazi0.875.3633.8719.330.480.490.630.160.190.2524.0013.600.140.460.150.03
ashkenazy-jew0.696.6134.4615.630.380.710.400.380.280.2824.1414.880.160.880.070.07
azerbaijan-jew0.9017.3453.581.420.300.430.000.190.400.288.0117.020.040.080.030.00
bene-israel-jew34.9326.1621.281.090.240.480.320.810.240.834.678.080.110.490.120.16
ethiopian-jew0.050.036.460.000.120.100.040.260.080.124.1035.352.6950.040.480.10
georgia-jew0.3415.8052.142.360.510.120.040.120.420.307.9619.420.000.460.000.00
iranian-jew0.4718.9349.600.000.500.200.330.150.190.227.0621.970.040.260.070.00
iraq-jew0.5417.2748.770.150.300.000.000.360.130.058.6523.570.020.170.020.00
morocco-jew0.866.3632.768.330.160.040.060.130.100.1527.5420.000.221.960.061.26
sephardic-jew0.796.6136.389.220.180.330.090.280.100.1525.6018.420.101.070.190.49
uzbekistan-jew1.4420.5946.033.990.220.420.160.700.290.257.4118.310.000.190.000.00
yemen-jew0.781.5335.810.030.150.070.000.270.140.125.8750.720.174.340.030.00
 
Chalcolithic Anatolia and Armenia is strongly pulled towards Europe/Steppe. It is closer to it than to Iranian Neolithic or CHG. This is what I'm getting from Harappa admixtures too.
Chalcolithic Iran is also pulled down and left. Down due to Levant/Baloch admixture and left due to Steppe/NE Euro.
Iran Recent plots with Armenia, again half way to Steppe/Euro from Iranian Neolithic.
Often I find PCA distances more telling than admixtures.

I don't understand what you are seeing. A movement of a Yamnaya-like population to Iran seems impossible to me. A movement from Europe is theoretically possible after the Copper Age (from a population which had Mediterranean, NE Euro and SW Asian admixture)

Neolithic to Copper Age Iran
Caucasian +24,97
SW Asian +3,88
Baloch -24,89

Copper Age to Iron Age Iran
Mediterranean +6,66
NE Euro +3,01
SW Asian +2,55
Baloch -8,65%
 
from a population which had Mediterranean, NE Euro

Yamnaya did not have Mediterranean, but Sintashta did have it:

HarappaWorld:

Kit F999968 (Yamnaya RISE548):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 63.87
2 Baloch 30.14
3 Caucasian 3.64
4 American 1.32
5 Mediterranean 0.67 (noise-level)
6 W-African 0.36
7 E-African 0.01

Kit M690970 (Sintashta RISE386):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 57.8
2 Mediterranean 19.92

3 Baloch 18.5
4 Caucasian 2.01
5 W-African 1.2
6 Beringian 0.56
 
Kit M217196 (Srubnaya I0430):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 55.13
2 Mediterranean 21.67
3 Baloch 19.86
4 Caucasian 2.35
5 American 0.91
6 E-African 0.07
 
SW Asian and some fraction of Mediterranean came in a separate migration.
 

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