Mytrueancestry.com

I think this is a very decent example of the right samples to utilize for a mixed mode of four populations, for someone of my particular ancestry.
Using 4 populations approximation:

1 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.447
 
From results presented here I realized that in MTA there aren't added samples from Baiuvar paper. Wonder why because there are of good quality and very relevant for Western Europe, north Italy, there are even few Balkan / Greek samples.

There are those samples used in K36 Ancient oracle. EMA is Early Medieval...

Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92
EMA_Balkanite_aed_125
Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_204
Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_249
Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_432
EMA_Alpine_aed_513
EMA_GreekBalkan_aed_1108
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119
EMA_Balkanite_AED_1135
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_3
Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_33
Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_37
EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1
EMA_northItalian_NW_54
Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_228
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_266
EMA_Greek_STR_300
EMA_Alpine_STR_310
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_316
EMA_Alpine_STR_328
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_360
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_393
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486
EMA_Italian_STR_502
EMA_Alpine_STR_535
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STr_220
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_1


And here superimposed on modern K36 PCA
Bez-nazwy-11.png
 
From results presented here I realized that in MTA there aren't added samples from Baiuvar paper. Wonder why because there are of good quality and very relevant for Western Europe, north Italy, there are even few Balkan / Greek samples.

There are those samples used in K36 Ancient oracle. EMA is Early Medieval...

Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92
EMA_Balkanite_aed_125
Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_204
Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_249
Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_432
EMA_Alpine_aed_513
EMA_GreekBalkan_aed_1108
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119
EMA_Balkanite_AED_1135
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_3
Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_33
Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_37
EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1
EMA_northItalian_NW_54
Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_228
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_266
EMA_Greek_STR_300
EMA_Alpine_STR_310
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_316
EMA_Alpine_STR_328
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_360
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_393
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486
EMA_Italian_STR_502
EMA_Alpine_STR_535
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STr_220
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_1


And here superimposed on modern K36 PCA
Bez-nazwy-11.png

Thanks, Lukas. Some of those would be a lot of fun to compare.
 
Simply you can't inherit so many cM (50, 60, 80 or more) from ancient samples lived thousand years ago.

It depends, Clovis Anzick-1 has very long (many cM) matches to modern Native Americans, even though he lived thousands of years ago. It has been discussed a few years ago in this thread (and such long matches with Anzick-1 were on GEDmatch, so the same methodology as with matches between modern people):

https://forums.familytreedna.com/fo...n-ancient-dna-have-matches-with-living-people

Quote: "you might be surprised to hear this 11,000 year old infant has some 3rd cousins living today"
 
Well, I did it; I probably got ripped off, but whatever...

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I don't think Northerners get the Hittite do they?
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I don't think more distant fits mean much in terms of overall similarity, although they might have something to say about input into your genetic history, but here they are anyway:
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The IBD map is a total surprise, although a welcome one. I've always said my favorite ancient cultures were those of Crete and Etruria. So:
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However, I have my doubts it's right.

Cretan from Armenoi "This individual has only 42,052 SNPs covered in the HOIll dataset and it belongs to a later period(Late Minoan III A-B ~ 1400-1200 BC) than the samples from Moni Odigitria and Lasithi. It does notform a clade with any single (N=1) population of the All set (p-value for rank=0 < 0.001). There areseveral models that fit (p-value for rank=1 > 0.05) for N=2 that agree on this individual having mostof its ancestry from Anatolian Neolithic-related population with additional ancestry from easternEuropean/North Eurasian hunter-gatherers.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...ion-thru-Paleogenomics/page2?highlight=Szolad


On gedmatch, I share no segments with Crete Armenoi.

I do share on gedmatch some very small segments with the very same samples to whom mytrueancestry claims I am most similar:

Gedmatch tells me I share a segment with SZ43, 1.2. That is my number one overall genetic match on mytrueancestry. It is French like according to Popres analysis, Bulgarian according to Hell bus, Ibero Ialian according to ADMIXTURE?, and on one PCA it looks like the Romagna to me. North of TSI anyway. All of that from the paper. It fits everything I know about my ancestry and every analysis I’ve ever seen, i.e. somewhere between Bergamo like and Tuscan like. If he wasn’t an ancestor, he was at least an awful lot like me. Mytrueancestry analysis puts my fit with him at at 3.6, which is the best I’ve ever gotten on any analysis with modern populations.

As for the others:
I also get a 1.2 with SZ36 Tuscan like, although no IBD on mytrueancestry

None with CL36 also supposedly Tuscan like?

None with CL23

None SZ28

None CL121

None of the Illyrian and Thracian samples seem to be available anymore
 
K36 Ancient nMonte on www.yourdnaportal.com for free.

Post your results (click on K36 calculator in Ancestry section, and check nMonte oracle for it). If you aren't registered, you must do it and upload raw data of course.

It is my father oracle:

Population Distance
AV2_Hungary_Szolad 1.166413
BA_Hungary_RISE479 1.309013
DA29_Golden-Horde_European1.359157
Scythian009_Ukraine 1.361893
Sungir6_Medieval_Russian 1.492281
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 1.500167
EMA_Czech_RISE569 1.836061
EBA_Poland_N17 1.907344

Breakdown

Code:
AV2_Hungary_Szolad 20.6
DA29_Golden-Horde_European 15
Scythian009_Ukraine 10.8
BA_Hungary_RISE479 10.4
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 8.6
LBA_Lithuania_RISE598 5.8
DA171_Lithuania_350650AD 4.4
EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE568 2.8
Kivutkalns_153_Latvia_BA 2.4
Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala06 2.4
EMA_Czech_RISE569 2.2
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC 1.8
Turlojiske1_Lithuania_BA 1.6
BA_Potapovka_I0419 1.4
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92     0.8
EHG_I0124_Samara     0.8
SZ24_Longobard     0.8
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22     0.6
Mesolithic_Ukraine_HG1     0.6
BA_Hungary_BR1     0.4
BA_Hungary_BR2     0.4
CWC_Swden__RISE179     0.4
I2446_Beaker_Britain     0.4
LBA_Denmark_RISE276     0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE254     0.2
BA_Hungary_RISE484     0.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_3831     0.2
BA_Unetice__Germany_I0116     0.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0059     0.2
CHL_Iberia_1280     0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1277     0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1303     0.2
CWC_Germany_I0111     0.2
DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC     0.2
DA199HungaryMedieval     0.2
EMA_Alpine_AED_513     0.2
I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE     0.2
MBA_Ireland_Rathlin     0.2
MN_Germany_I0559     0.2
MN_Germany_I0807     0.2
Mesolithic_Hungary_KO1     0.2
SZ18_Pannonian     0.2
SZ5_Pannonian     0.2
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034     0.2
 
K36 Ancient nMonte on www.yourdnaportal.com for free.

Post your results (click on K36 calculator in Ancestry section, and check nMonte oracle for it). If you aren't registered, you must do it and upload raw data of course.

It is my father oracle:

Population Distance
AV2_Hungary_Szolad 1.166413
BA_Hungary_RISE479 1.309013
DA29_Golden-Horde_European1.359157
Scythian009_Ukraine 1.361893
Sungir6_Medieval_Russian 1.492281
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 1.500167
EMA_Czech_RISE569 1.836061
EBA_Poland_N17 1.907344

Breakdown

Code:
AV2_Hungary_Szolad 20.6
DA29_Golden-Horde_European 15
Scythian009_Ukraine 10.8
BA_Hungary_RISE479 10.4
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 8.6
LBA_Lithuania_RISE598 5.8
DA171_Lithuania_350650AD 4.4
EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE568 2.8
Kivutkalns_153_Latvia_BA 2.4
Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala06 2.4
EMA_Czech_RISE569 2.2
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC 1.8
Turlojiske1_Lithuania_BA 1.6
BA_Potapovka_I0419 1.4
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92     0.8
EHG_I0124_Samara     0.8
SZ24_Longobard     0.8
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22     0.6
Mesolithic_Ukraine_HG1     0.6
BA_Hungary_BR1     0.4
BA_Hungary_BR2     0.4
CWC_Swden__RISE179     0.4
I2446_Beaker_Britain     0.4
LBA_Denmark_RISE276     0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE254     0.2
BA_Hungary_RISE484     0.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_3831     0.2
BA_Unetice__Germany_I0116     0.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0059     0.2
CHL_Iberia_1280     0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1277     0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1303     0.2
CWC_Germany_I0111     0.2
DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC     0.2
DA199HungaryMedieval     0.2
EMA_Alpine_AED_513     0.2
I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE     0.2
MBA_Ireland_Rathlin     0.2
MN_Germany_I0559     0.2
MN_Germany_I0807     0.2
Mesolithic_Hungary_KO1     0.2
SZ18_Pannonian     0.2
SZ5_Pannonian     0.2
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034     0.2

Who runs it and gets to look at the data and my e-mail?
 
Mlukas...do you have my information yet?

Don't know. If you ordered something from me you probably didn't use forum nickname?
 
Yourdnaportal
Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.4432536
Tuscan 1.0949434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
.
.
.
Population Value
North_Italian 56.6
Tuscan 12.8
RO 5.6
French_Basque 4.8
Sardinian 3.6

Population value, must mean %
If it does it matches 23andme
 
Yourdnaportal
Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.4432536
Tuscan 1.0949434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
.
.
.
Population Value
North_Italian 56.6
Tuscan 12.8
RO 5.6
French_Basque 4.8
Sardinian 3.6

Population value, must mean %
If it does it matches 23andme

Whose is that? Is it yours?
 
Torzio,
Did you post lost list of archaeogenetic matches, the ones with the samples listed and the fit?
 
Tu nMonte3 resultados de Oracle

Calculadora nMonte3 de Ger Huijbregts​

Eurogenes K36

Modelo de calculadora por David Wesolowski del Proyecto Eurogenes Vaya a este foro independiente para discutir sus resultados​


Distancia de la población más cercana

PoblaciónDistancia
i3759_Celtiberian_IA1.333519
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent1.423613
I3759_Celtiberian1.501593
i3758_Celtiberian_IA1.550354
BA_Hungary_RISE3731.567452
I3874_Beaker_South_France1.608371
I10892_Catalonia_medieval1.650611
SZ45_Pannonian1.751551




PopulationValue
i3759_Celtiberian_IA36.8
i3758_Celtiberian_IA5
BA_Hungary_RISE3734.8
I3874_Beaker_South_France4.4
i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD3.8
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_320323
I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD2
EMA_north-Italian_NW_541.8
I3759_Celtiberian1.8
N_Sweden_Gökhem71.4
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF211.2
CHL_Iberia_I12741
I10851_medieval_Catalonia1
CHL_Iberia_I13030.8
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC0.8
I3578_EMA_Andalusia0.8
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF180.8
MN_Germany_I05600.8
MN_Iberia_I04050.8
N_Levant_AinGhazal50.8
SZ43_north-Italian0.8
BA_Portugal_MonteGato_1040.6
BA_Srubnaya_I02350.6
BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE1540.6
CHL_Iberia_I12770.6
CHL_Remedello_IT_RISE4890.6
CL87_Longobard0.6
CWC_Sweden_RISE970.6
EMA_Alpine_STR_5350.6
IA_Wielbark_Kow_55_PL0.6
SZ45_Pannonian0.6
BA_Armenia_RISE4070.4
BA_Portugal_ERR15241740.4
BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE5770.4
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I01120.4
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I01130.4
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I01710.4
Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_0.4
CHG_Kotias0.4
CHL_Iberia_I12810.4
CL36_north-Italian0.4
CWC_Denmark_RISE710.4
CWC_Germany_I01080.4
EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon0.4
EN_Iberia_I0411_I0410.4
Gepid_Vim20.4
I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton0.4
MBA_ATP2_Iberia0.4
Niederstotzingen_Alemmani_60.4
SZ28_north-Italian0.4
TAF009_Iberomaurasian0.4
Visigoth_I121630.4
Amerindian_Chachapoya0.2
BA_Hungary_RISE3710.2
BA_Levant_I08670.2
BA_Srubnaya_I03580.2
BA_Srubnaya_I03590.2
BA_Sydon0.2
BA_Unetice_Germany_I01640.2
BA_Unetice_Germany_I08030.2
BA_Unetice__Germany_I01160.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_100.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_2550.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_3600.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_4800.2
Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_4860.2
Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE5660.2
Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE5670.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I00590.2
CHG_7700_Kotias0.2
CHL_Armenia_I14090.2
CHL_Iberia_12800.2
CHL_Iberia_I13140.2
CHL_Yamnaya_Kalmykia_RISE5520.2
CL121__north-Italian0.2
CL25_south_Italian0.2
CL31_Greek_Balkan0.2
CL47_Alpine0.2
CWC_Estonia_Kunila1_MA9710.2
CWC_Germany_I01030.2
CWC_Germany_I01110.2
DA222_Karluk0.2
DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak0.2
DA_205_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid0.2
EBA_Poland_RISE4310.2
EMA_Alpine_STR_3100.2
EN_Iberia_I04090.2
EN_Iberia_I04100.2
Egyptian_mummy_III_jk2911_0.2
Egyptian_mummy_II_JK2134_0.2
I2446_Beaker_Britain0.2
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent0.2
IA_AltaI_RISE6010.2
IA_Britain_York_3DRIF160.2
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF230.2
IA_Hungary_IR10.2
LBA_Afontova_Gora_RISE5540.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE3960.2
Lapita_Vanuatu_Il_3700.2
MBA_Armenia_RISE4160.2
MBA_Ireland_Rathlin0.2
MN_Germany_I01720.2
N_Germany_I07970.2
N_Levant_AinGhazal10.2
N_Sweden_Gokhem50.2
SZ15_Longobard0.2
SZ24_Longobard0.2
SZ30_Celtic0.2


 
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They are existing since 1,5 year I think. It isn't "startup".
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nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts​

Eurogenes K36

Calculator model by David Wesolowski of the Eurogenes ProjectGo to this independent forum to discuss your results​


Closest population distance

PopulationDistance
EMA_north-Italian_FN_21.094409
CL94_Iberian1.425777
CL36_north-Italian1.458463
BA_Hungary_RISE3731.584045
CL57_north-Italian1.657882
SZ43_north-Italian1.664416
CL23_north-Italian1.762843
SZ45_Pannonian1.78964

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Yourdnaportal
Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.4432536
Tuscan 1.0949434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
.
.
.
Population Value
North_Italian 56.6
Tuscan 12.8
RO 5.6
French_Basque 4.8
Sardinian 3.6

Population value, must mean %
If it does it matches 23andme


K13 nMonte3


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K36 Ancient nMonte3

ILySRAA.jpg
 
Where did you run this program with collegno ID from
 
Hi Salento,

It appears our Ancestors split pretty early on if mytrueancestry.com is not able to show any trace of me any further south than Nordic Lombard (670 AD) or Scythian Moldova (290 BC). I wonder what period of time that would work out to be?

I'm trying to post my Timeline....it's being a bit difficult at the moment.

My Ancestors 1700 years ago, It's practically the Roman Empire. (LivingDNA)
Maybe my Ancestor dated a Pict girl .. lol, ... and a baby y T was born :giggle:

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