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Riverman can you post the G25 coordinates of E-V13 in Western Hungary and the J2b2 samples, and possibly all samples.

I want to build a custom calculator to check the Neolithic and Steppe sources in all of them.
 
This was the work of Bruzmi by the way which provided this list:
E-V13:CZE_IA_La_Tene:I16272,0.125205,0.133034,0.063733,0.05814,0.041238,0.01255,0,0.001154,0.005931,-0.004556,-0.010068,0.003147,0.000149,0.007019,0.012893,0.00305,-0.002608,-0.001647,0.001885,0.010005,-0.001996,0.005317,-0.001109,-0.001205,-0.004431
E-V13:SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I14465,0.135449,0.149283,0.035826,-0.007429,0.04924,-0.011156,-0.003995,0.008077,0.010431,0.019499,-0.00682,0.009142,-0.007582,0.006881,-0.010993,-0.008353,0.01356,0.003674,0.006285,0.01013,-0.008735,0.010263,0.003328,-0.022292,-0.002634
E-V13:HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18527,0.125205,0.136081,0.042615,0.027778,0.040315,0.006414,0.000235,0.007384,0.017589,0.012939,-0.015752,0.002847,-0.006541,0.001927,-0.008143,-0.003447,0.002608,-0.002534,0.003897,-0.00075,-0.000125,0.002473,-0.001725,-0.016749,-0.003952
E-V13:HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832,0.125205,0.148267,0.018102,-0.028101,0.029236,-0.016176,0.00141,-0.003231,0.008999,0.03262,0.005846,0.005095,-0.017691,-0.007844,-0.027551,0.003978,0.027772,0.005448,0.008547,-0.004877,-0.015473,0.004204,0.003328,0.006025,-0.00012
E-V13:Migration_LIB:LIB11,0.1161,0.142174,0.05242,0.041667,0.046162,0.010877,0.011045,0.001154,0,-0.020046,0.002111,0.001948,0.00773,0.016652,-0.0057,-0.003978,-0.004303,-0.012162,-0.003771,-0.002751,0.001622,-0.00779,0.013434,-0.002048,-0.001557
E-V13:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38,0.101303,0.144205,-0.018856,-0.055556,0.007386,-0.016455,-0.00846,-0.008538,-0.004704,0.014397,0.004709,0.009591,-0.00996,-0.005643,-0.014251,0.000928,0.010561,0,-0.002263,0.001251,0.001123,0.006306,-0.002095,0.010001,0.008023
E-V13:ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107,0.119514,0.149283,-0.004525,-0.031654,0.022773,-0.02008,-0.00893,-0.004615,0.010226,0.021322,-0.000325,0.005545,-0.00223,0.00578,-0.007872,-0.007425,0.009127,-0.00038,-0.000251,0.007504,-0.003993,-0.001607,0.010106,0.00012,-0.00012
E-V13:VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK362,0.127482,0.137096,0.053174,0.026809,0.034776,0.008646,0.00517,0.013384,-0.000614,0.003098,-0.001949,0.000749,-0.003568,0.007569,-0.002307,-0.002387,0.010561,-0.00228,0.002765,0.003752,-0.004243,-0.000989,0.002835,0.001325,-0.010538
E-V13:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA005,0.120652,0.137096,0.071276,0.071706,0.049548,0.01004,0.01081,0.014538,-0.009408,-0.018041,-0.00341,-0.001499,0.003419,0.018717,0.00285,-0.004773,0.003129,-0.002154,0.005154,0.004502,-0.009858,-0.004946,0.008381,-0.007591,0.001796
E-V13:ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1219,0.122929,0.142174,0.046763,0.031654,0.036314,0.009761,0.004465,0.008077,0.008795,0.002005,-0.004222,0.001349,-0.015907,0.00812,0.007329,0.002519,0.001956,0.00038,0.004902,0.000375,0.007986,0.007914,0.007518,0.007953,-0.005029
E-V13:SCY197_Glinoe_MLD,0.122929,0.140143,0.029415,-0.023902,0.023081,-0.012829,0.015511,-0.005307,0.00225,0.035172,-0.005846,-0.001349,-0.01115,0.000275,-0.010586,-0.0118,0.001434,-0.000127,0.013324,-0.010255,-0.004742,-0.000989,0.003328,-0.002771,-0.008981
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This is the list for J2b, not named after site etc., you can find it by going after the ID:
J2B:I22940,0.124067,0.152329,0.036581,-0.00646,0.039392,0.002231,-0.001175,0.000692,0.017794,0.034078,0.004709,0.007 343,-0.023042,-0.002752,-0.0038,-0.023203,-0.01356,0.005954,0.006913,-0.000125,-0.006738,0.001731,-0.003451,-0.004217,0.002634
J2B::I24345,0.122929,0.147252,0.064111,0.0 20672,0.035699,-0.021475,0.015746,0.009,-0.001841,0.016401,-0.007795,0.005995,-0.048463,-0.018029,-0.005836,0.001724,-0.028684,0.012542,0.00905,-0.016008,-0.010232,-0.004451,0.003451,-0.009881,0.003592
J2B::I5691,0.129758,0.146236,0.043369,0.00 6783,0.044008,-0.000837,-0.002585,-0.000231,0.012885,0.028429,0.002761,0.008243,-0.016501,-0.011423,0.002443,-0.001989,0.004433,0.00228,-0.002137,0.002001,0.000374,0.006925,-0.000616,0.001687,0.000239
J2B:I26726,0.121791,0.14319,0.029038,-0.013243,0.024928,-0.000837,-0.006345,-0.006461,0.007772,0.027518,0.013803,0.004796,-0.023191,-0.00289,-0.002172,-0.014452,-0.013951,0.003167,0.013575,-0.008129,-0.003743,0.008656,0.005546,0.003976,-0.000479
J2B::I23911,0.126344,0.140143,0.032432,-0.005814,0.044316,-0.002231,-0.004935,0.002077,0.012271,0.038999,0.000325,0.010 94,-0.012042,-0.007432,0.005157,-0.005701,-0.001565,0.004687,0.011439,-0.004627,0.001872,0.001237,-0.002588,-0.002771,-0.005269
J2B:I24638,0.129758,0.149283,0.033564,0.0 04845,0.038161,0.005857,0.00705,0.010846,0.011453, 0.028793,0.001949,0.011839,-0.020812,-0.008533,0.002172,-0.000796,0.002608,0.008108,0.006662,0.003001,-0.007612,-0.001978,0.002218,-0.012291,-0.003113
J2B:I24639,0.124067,0.149283,0.028284,-0.002261,0.031083,0.000558,0.000705,0.005077,0.007 976,0.022962,0.001299,0.006594,-0.01115,-0.004542,-0.00475,-0.005171,-0.014342,-0.005574,0.004022,-0.005127,-0.0141,0.004822,0.003328,-0.006145,0.005987
J2B:I24882,0.133173,0.146236,0.033941,0.0 01615,0.040931,-0.006972,-0.000235,0.000231,0.002863,0.019135,-0.000325,0.01169,-0.016204,-0.005367,-0.0019,0.00305,0.009257,-0.001014,0.007416,-0.006753,-0.003369,0.008285,0.001972,0.00976,-0.009101
J2B:I26742,0.122929,0.148267,0.024136,-0.010013,0.034776,-0.003068,0.000705,0.000692,0.010431,0.032256,0.004 222,0.006444,-0.024083,-0.012524,-0.006515,0.00358,0.00691,0.00076,0.012947,-0.010255,-0.002496,0.001607,0.00419,0.011447,-0.006826
J2B:I4998,0.118376,0.161469,0.016216,-0.022287,0.034776,-0.009203,-0.003525,0.001615,0.01268,0.028247,0.003573,0.0041 96,-0.019772,-0.008533,-0.010315,0.01074,0.025686,-0.004181,0.003897,0.011881,-0.002496,0.006677,0.007272,-0.000723,-0.008502
J2B:I23995,0.122929,0.146236,0.026021,0.0 01292,0.036007,0.002231,0.00564,0.000692,0.009204, 0.026242,-0.007795,0.009142,-0.014866,-0.00234,0.000271,0.001458,0.005476,0.007601,0.0084 22,0.004002,0.000125,-0.003215,-0.003574,-0.005061,0.000718

And the HUN_LBA samples, of which most are Kyjatice-G?va related, I'm pretty confident about this by now, being in the general spreadsheet anyway, as is F?zesabony.

RCO said:
MDE - tooth HUNG395B I20750 Polg?r Kenderf?ld, Hungary 4,300-3,600 Dani, 2002; Dani and V.Szab? 2003; Dani et al 2003; Dani and V,Szab? 2004 U4b2 M
WTR - tooth HUNG395B I20772 U4b2 M
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Did anyone check the yDNA of this sample? Its from the area and MBA-LBA one of the very few males, from the very important F?zesabony-Otomani group. The sample is from this paper:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.19.256412v1
 
This is how they plot on a general Northern European PCA, which I very much like because of its clear geographical separation of components:

Gap-EV13.jpg


https://ibb.co/VVLTJzj

I actually do think that this gap can be filled and in the middle will be probably the original source group. Now let's add the J2b Illyrians, HUN_LBA and the Thraco-Cimmerians, and look where they plot:

EV13origins.jpg


https://ibb.co/PMX5jSj

I'd say that's bullseye! Note that the Illyrians/Middle Danubians (J-L283 and BB derived R1b) form their own cluster, whereas right in the centre of E-V13, right in the gap left by the current sampling, with no published male samples from Channelled Ware people other than the one Kyjatice J2a, which plots right in the centre too, there are the Channelled Ware samples!
Just look at the difference, this is a standard PCA for Northern-Central Europeans, which is very good in distinguishing regional origins in Europe, and look how neatly it separates the groups and easily connects, just like in my PCA, the HUN_LBA, Thraco-Cimmerians (Dacians-Basarabi largely, not fully) with the E-V13 centre.
The only HUN_LBA in the Illyrian cluster is once more the R1b sample from Vas county, a Middle Danubian Urnfielder, just like it should be.

Ssomewhere in the gap left by the current sampling is both the original source population and the bulk of E-V13. As you can see, that's somewhere between Northern Pannonians and EBA Bulgarians. Best fits have so far Channelled Ware related samples, like those from HUN_LBA and Mezocsat.
 
Ok, i created a Late_Neolithic/Chalcolithic to Early Bronze Age Calculator.


I separated, Adriatic/Dalmatian Neolithic, Aegean Neolithic, East European Neolithic and Panonnian_Carpathian Neolithic, as well as Bell Beakers and Yamnaya to see where the influence comes.



Target: E-V13:SCY197_Glinoe_MLD
Distance: 2.8163% / 0.02816303

31.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
29.8Bell_Beaker
18.6West_Asian
14.0East_European_Neolithic
5.8Yamnaya




Target: E-V13:ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1219
Distance: 2.8723% / 0.02872344

51.0Bell_Beaker
30.4Yamnaya
14.4Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
2.2Baltic
2.0East_European_Neolithic




Target: E-V13EU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA005
Distance: 5.3201% / 0.05320119

31.6Yamnaya
27.0Bell_Beaker
22.6Baltic
18.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic




Target: E-V13:VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA:VK362
Distance: 2.9807% / 0.02980732

38.0Bell_Beaker
24.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
21.6Yamnaya
8.2Adriatic_Neolithic
7.4Baltic




Target: E-V13:ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107
Distance: 2.8793% / 0.02879281

59.6Aegean_Neolithic
20.4West_Asian
12.8Baltic
5.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
1.4Bell_Beaker




Target: E-V13:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38
Distance: 3.1033% / 0.03103341

54.0Aegean_Neolithic
38.6West_Asian
4.4Yamnaya
3.0Baltic




Target: E-V13:Migration_LIB:LIB11
Distance: 5.0604% / 0.05060384

48.8Yamnaya
23.2Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
15.6Baltic
12.4Bell_Beaker




Target: E-V13:HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832
Distance: 2.5471% / 0.02547086

70.0Aegean_Neolithic
19.6Yamnaya
8.6Baltic
1.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic




Target: E-V13:HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18527
Distance: 2.6935% / 0.02693516

29.4East_European_Neolithic
21.0Yamnaya
18.2Bell_Beaker
15.8Baltic
9.2Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
6.4Aegean_Neolithic




Target: E-V13:SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I14465
Distance: 3.4356% / 0.03435601

40.6Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
22.8West_Asian
19.0Baltic
17.6Bell_Beaker




Target: E-V13:CZE_IA_La_Tene:I16272
Distance: 2.8888% / 0.02888834

53.2Bell_Beaker
16.2Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
15.4Yamnaya
15.2Baltic

Target: E-V13:SCY197_Glinoe_MLD
Distance: 2.8163% / 0.02816303

31.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
29.8Bell_Beaker
18.6West_Asian
14.0East_European_Neolithic
5.8Yamnaya
 
This is for J2b2:


Target: J2B:I23995
Distance: 2.0557% / 0.02055683
49.8Bell_Beaker
14.0East_European_Neolithic
13.8Aegean_Neolithic
11.6West_Asian
4.0Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
4.0West_Mediterranean
2.0Yamnaya
0.8Baltic



Target: J2B:I26742
Distance: 2.1870% / 0.02187002

39.4Bell_Beaker
36.8Aegean_Neolithic
12.6Yamnaya
8.6Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
2.6West_Mediterranean



Target: J2B:I24882
Distance: 2.0878% / 0.02087759

46.8Bell_Beaker
18.2Aegean_Neolithic
16.0Adriatic_Neolithic
13.2Yamnaya
5.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic



Target: J2B:I24639
Distance: 2.0979% / 0.02097939

47.6Bell_Beaker
19.2West_Asian
16.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
15.8East_European_Neolithic
0.6Yamnaya



Target: J2B::I23911
Distance: 2.0015% / 0.02001465

52.0Bell_Beaker
15.6Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
12.2West_Mediterranean
12.0West_Asian
8.2Yamnaya



Target: J2B:I26726
Distance: 2.5393% / 0.02539303

34.0Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
31.2Yamnaya
21.6Bell_Beaker
13.2West_Asian



Target: J2B::I24345
Distance: 5.9167% / 0.05916667

58.0Bell_Beaker
23.2East_European_Neolithic
18.8West_Mediterranean



Target: J2B:I22940
Distance: 2.4455% / 0.02445502

34.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
27.4Yamnaya
26.4Bell_Beaker
11.4West_Mediterranean

Target: J2B::I5691
Distance: 1.3444% / 0.01344396

56.6Bell_Beaker
25.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
12.4Yamnaya
3.0East_European_Neolithic
2.2Aegean_Neolithic
Target: J2B:I24638
Distance: 2.1504% / 0.02150381

58.8Bell_Beaker
13.2West_Asian
11.0Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
9.6West_Mediterranean
7.4East_European_Neolithic
Target: J2B:I4998
Distance: 3.1864% / 0.03186448

51.6Aegean_Neolithic
21.0East_European_Neolithic
15.0Bell_Beaker
6.8Baltic
5.6Yamnaya
 
The separation of the Channelled Ware AND Encrusted Pottery people vs. the West Pannonian/West Balkan groups is very strong. Encrusted Pottery is even more distant from the Illyrians, even when they lived already in (Northern) Croatia! By the way, there is indeed some possible overlap on the PCA, but rather with this group: Jagodnjak-Krčevine Middle Bronze Age Southern Transdanubian, in the G25 its HRV_Jag_MBA. That's Encrusted pottery, the second candidate for an E-V13 spread, but so far the haplogroups don't point to it, and while they fused, they being largely dominated by Channelled Ware. But its interesting that these people which too moved from more Northern Pannonia southward, under the pressure of the Middle Danubian Tumulus culture expansion, have practically the same profile as HUN_LBA and the Thraco-Cimmerians/Mezocsat! Somewhat more Eastern, but still not that dissimilar on the PCA, with some being very close to the so far available Channelled Ware samples (G?va-Kyjatice). About that archaeological group: https://www.academia.edu/38067725/R..._Applied_Research_Hungarian_Nationa_Museum_HU They are the only "Croatian sample" which is really close to G?va-Kyjatice and the E-V13 midpoint, because they come from Pannonia too:
EV13origins2.jpg
https://ibb.co/QJqM42Y Note how different they are from all the other Croatian samples which plot at the J2b cluster and being more Bell Beaker-South Western shifted. The close relationship of the Central and Eastern MBA Pannonians (HUN_LBA/Mezocsat = Channelled Ware largely, HRV_Jag_MBA = Encrusted Pottery) vs. the Western Pannonian/Western Balkan groups is absolutely striking. And its absolutely clear where the haplogroups trend towards, respectively. I also added the two Mezocsat outliers, just to make clear how different these more Eastern specimen are and that the majority of the Thraco-Cimmerians seems to have been indeed Pannonian in origin and related to Channelled Ware, just like the archaeological remains always indicated (dominance of G?va standards in the common populace). This will be proven to be at the maximum as similar situation as with Avars and Slavs, with the majority being not steppe newcomers.
 
I am surprised by this sample:

Target: E-V13:HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832
Distance: 2.5471% / 0.02547086
70.0 Aegean_Neolithic
19.6 Yamnaya
8.6 Baltic
1.8 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic

Most certainly a Greek merchant, or a Southern Thracian, he is not close to the J2b2-L283 sample as he was hinting in anthrogenica. He was most probably over-generalizing the Neolithic influence and hitting on that ground.
 
What did you use for Pannonian-Carpathian Neolithic?

Hawk said:
I am surprised by this sample:

Target: E-V13:HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832
Distance: 2.5471% / 0.02547086
70.0 Aegean_Neolithic
19.6 Yamnaya
8.6 Baltic
1.8 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic

Most certainly a Greek merchant, or a Southern Thracian, he is not close to the J2b2-L283 sample as he was hinting in anthrogenica. He was most probably over-generalizing the Neolithic influence and hitting on that ground.
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Imho the best fit would be a Geto-Scythian (Eastern/Southern influenced Daco-Thracian, going in the direction of Psenichevo-Babadag) with additional Greek admixture. Greek admixture was present in the West Pontic region. And yes, he is very Eastern, that's why he's being called "Eastern outlier" in the paper...
 
If someone wants to check or improve the model, i did it on the quick, i might have missed something:

Adriatic_Neolithic:HRV_C_Lasinja,0.1245415,0.1786487,0.0203646,-0.0794311,0.0634221,-0.0394165,-0.0040146,-0.0018653,0.0439214,0.0813077,0.006049,0.0116523,-0.0208744,0.0006192,-0.0348462,-0.0067068,0.0184277,0.0031567,0.0110928,-0.0090042,-0.0059999,0.0057088,-0.0089047,-0.009931,-0.0061172West_Mediterranean:ITA_Sardinia_C,0.1287624,0.1788602,0.0431804,-0.0573325,0.0789762,-0.030922,-0.0024676,-0.0017882,0.0582638,0.10023,0.0009741,0.0158296,-0.0345822,-0.0159125,-0.017389,-0.0007625,0.0133481,0.0034998,0.0070705,-0.0135534,0.000109,0.0013755,-0.0116161,-0.0280762,-0.0012573
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Peloponnese_N,0.1192866,0.176702,-0.0080704,-0.0965124,0.0409306,-0.0416662,-0.001645,-0.0051228,0.0253202,0.0726758,0.0066578,0.012499,-0.0241424,-0.0007708,-0.0353146,-0.0086448,0.0185666,0.000532,0.0104078,-0.0138568,-0.018193,0.0007172,-0.004289,-0.000699,-0.004766
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA,0.1155305,0.1675625,-0.0194215,-0.0805885,0.018773,-0.0352795,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.00634,0.049386,0.005846,0.014837,-0.0231165,0.006468,-0.026126,-0.0061655,0.0157115,0.003927,0.008485,-0.010192,-0.010107,-0.003462,0.001109,0.0046395,-0.0026345
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LBK_MN,0.123498,0.1807643,0.0126335,-0.0942352,0.0580878,-0.0403695,-0.0029375,-0.003,0.0397798,0.084603,0.008769,0.0125138,-0.02111,0.0004818,-0.042107,-0.0149492,0.01105,-0.0005382,0.012821,-0.0153825,-0.013757,0.0095827,-0.0092128,-0.0026512,-0.002934
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_Lengyel_LN,0.1272922,0.1777177,0.0206787,-0.0799425,0.0635502,-0.040997,-0.0038777,-0.0036153,0.0460522,0.0810342,0.0099055,0.0092667,-0.0207628,0.0022018,-0.0366672,-0.0123087,0.0169498,0.0019425,0.0106215,-0.009442,-0.0118957,0.0040187,-0.006984,-0.0086758,-0.0011178
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LN_EarlyC_Lengyel,0.124067,0.177718,0.019987,-0.082365,0.05878,-0.034861,0.00141,0.001615,0.051949,0.075081,0.01153,0.009741,-0.016353,0.008808,-0.036237,-0.023999,0.003781,0.005701,0.023757,-0.01063,-0.015722,0.005317,0.002218,-0.005061,-0.007185
East_European_Neolithic:BGR_Middle_C,0.120652,0.171624,0.027153,-0.064923,0.052317,-0.026774,0.001175,0.002308,0.032519,0.062689,0,0.010191,-0.013677,-0.001101,-0.034744,-0.017634,-0.001173,0.005068,0.009804,-0.017008,-0.009733,0.008656,-0.010969,-0.015785,-0.002634
East_European_Neolithic:UKR_Trypillia_En,0.132035,0.165531,0.032809,-0.027778,0.065551,-0.0251,0.00282,0.012923,0.046631,0.057222,0.005684,-0.002248,-0.016353,-0.017065,-0.018322,0.000663,0.02725,0.004054,0.010559,-0.000875,0.010731,0.004451,-0.019596,-0.027835,-0.001437
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_CZE_early,0.1244463,0.1218633,0.0657443,0.0725673,0.013233,0.025658,0.0050917,0.0059997,-0.0139073,-0.0218683,-0.0048177,0.0029473,-0.0109513,-0.01601,0.0245657,0.0061433,-0.0093877,4.23e-05,-0.0027657,0.0030013,0.000416,-0.0009063,-0.0022593,0.002691,-0.0034727
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_FRA_C,0.132604,0.1340495,0.0605275,0.0385985,0.041854,0.0107375,-0.00047,0.006346,0.008897,0.0126655,-0.00203,0.012889,-0.015089,-0.0157575,0.0143865,0.0117345,-0.007888,0.0023435,-0.0016965,0.001751,-0.0004365,0.0058115,-0.0009245,-0.001265,-0.00467
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0.003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
West_Asian:ARM_Areni_C,0.1115468,0.1327805,-0.0316782,-0.0281818,-0.0278512,-0.005508,0.0022325,-0.0073265,-0.0236735,-0.0068795,0.007064,0.0064068,-0.0066528,-0.0040598,-0.0060735,-0.0100438,-0.0098115,0.0026922,0.0009428,-0.006941,-0.002901,0.0025965,0.0014175,-0.0031932,0.0047898
West_Asian:TUR_Ikiztepe_LC,0.1093966,0.1521039,-0.0491094,-0.078166,-0.0101898,-0.0275171,0.004883,-0.0010769,-0.0284969,0.0206331,0.0077223,0.0062279,-0.0184669,0.0088997,-0.0163318,-0.0136716,0.0115028,0.0030546,0.007402,-0.0093239,-0.0019826,-0.0020198,-0.0019309,-0.00565,0.0034328
Baltic:Baltic_LVA_MN,0.1293028,0.0706808,0.1523568,0.1945116,0.047578,0.0589576,-0.0050764,0.006323,0.0208204,-0.0559464,0.0052288,-0.0185234,0.0298512,-0.0275518,0.027931,0.036197,0.0010952,-0.0001266,-0.0074412,0.03104,0.0268278,0.0172372,-0.0087258,-0.0600808,0.0013894
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Riverman said:
What did you use for Pannonian-Carpathian Neolithic?



Imho the best fit would be a Geto-Scythian (Eastern/Southern influenced Daco-Thracian, going in the direction of Psenichevo-Babadag) with additional Greek admixture. Greek admixture was present in the West Pontic region. And yes, he is very Eastern, that's why he's being called "Eastern outlier" in the paper...
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IMO, impossible he is Geto-Scythian. Not even mixed, a Southern Balkanite through and through. I did take in consideration each region, if he was Geto-Scythian he will get either Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic or East European Neolithic but he didn't.

He is not Illyrian either. So, Greek is the better contender, or even Southern Thracian from the shores of Greek world.
 
Hawk said:
If someone wants to check or improve the model, i did it on the quick, i might have missed something:
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Interesting that a model with Lengyel works so well. Probably the path is really from Lengyel with Unetician/Epi-Corded admixture. The F?zesabony sample is R-Z283, this might point to the real possibility of another theory being true: Pannonian groups got an infusion from the Epi-Corded zone, like from more Northern and Western Slovakia, groups like Nitra for example. This made them change once more, autosomally and culturally. However, as you can see on my PCA's, all later Channelled Ware samples score relatively more Southern and less Northern than F?zesabony on these plots. So either he was an outlier or the admixture from the Epi-Corded sphere got largely evened out and fairly equally distributed later.
Its in any case apparent, also from your models, that between Middle Danubians : Channelled+Encrusted Ware the ratio of BB : CW admixture is different.
 
Riverman said:
Interesting that a model with Lengyel works so well. Probably the path is really from Lengyel with Unetician/Epi-Corded admixture. The F�zesabony sample is R-Z283, this might point to the real possibility of another theory being true: Pannonian groups got an infusion from the Epi-Corded zone, like from more Northern and Western Slovakia, groups like Nitra for example. This made them change once more, autosomally and culturally. However, as you can see on my PCA's, all later Channelled Ware samples score relatively more Southern and less Northern than F�zesabony on these plots. So either he was an outlier or the admixture from the Epi-Corded sphere got largely evened out and fairly equally distributed later.
Its in any case apparent, also from your models, that between Middle Danubians : Channelled+Encrusted Ware the ratio of BB : CW admixture is different.
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Should we include some Corded sample as well to make a steppe triquetra: Bell Beaker, Corded, Yamnaya?
 
Try with this one, the distance is lowered i think.

Adriatic_Neolithic:HRV_C_Lasinja,0.1245415,0.1786487,0.0203646,-0.0794311,0.0634221,-0.0394165,-0.0040146,-0.0018653,0.0439214,0.0813077,0.006049,0.0116523,-0.0208744,0.0006192,-0.0348462,-0.0067068,0.0184277,0.0031567,0.0110928,-0.0090042,-0.0059999,0.0057088,-0.0089047,-0.009931,-0.0061172West_Mediterranean:ITA_Sardinia_C,0.1287624,0.1788602,0.0431804,-0.0573325,0.0789762,-0.030922,-0.0024676,-0.0017882,0.0582638,0.10023,0.0009741,0.0158296,-0.0345822,-0.0159125,-0.017389,-0.0007625,0.0133481,0.0034998,0.0070705,-0.0135534,0.000109,0.0013755,-0.0116161,-0.0280762,-0.0012573
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Peloponnese_N,0.1192866,0.176702,-0.0080704,-0.0965124,0.0409306,-0.0416662,-0.001645,-0.0051228,0.0253202,0.0726758,0.0066578,0.012499,-0.0241424,-0.0007708,-0.0353146,-0.0086448,0.0185666,0.000532,0.0104078,-0.0138568,-0.018193,0.0007172,-0.004289,-0.000699,-0.004766
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA,0.1155305,0.1675625,-0.0194215,-0.0805885,0.018773,-0.0352795,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.00634,0.049386,0.005846,0.014837,-0.0231165,0.006468,-0.026126,-0.0061655,0.0157115,0.003927,0.008485,-0.010192,-0.010107,-0.003462,0.001109,0.0046395,-0.0026345
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LBK_MN,0.123498,0.1807643,0.0126335,-0.0942352,0.0580878,-0.0403695,-0.0029375,-0.003,0.0397798,0.084603,0.008769,0.0125138,-0.02111,0.0004818,-0.042107,-0.0149492,0.01105,-0.0005382,0.012821,-0.0153825,-0.013757,0.0095827,-0.0092128,-0.0026512,-0.002934
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_Lengyel_LN,0.1272922,0.1777177,0.0206787,-0.0799425,0.0635502,-0.040997,-0.0038777,-0.0036153,0.0460522,0.0810342,0.0099055,0.0092667,-0.0207628,0.0022018,-0.0366672,-0.0123087,0.0169498,0.0019425,0.0106215,-0.009442,-0.0118957,0.0040187,-0.006984,-0.0086758,-0.0011178
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LN_EarlyC_Lengyel,0.124067,0.177718,0.019987,-0.082365,0.05878,-0.034861,0.00141,0.001615,0.051949,0.075081,0.01153,0.009741,-0.016353,0.008808,-0.036237,-0.023999,0.003781,0.005701,0.023757,-0.01063,-0.015722,0.005317,0.002218,-0.005061,-0.007185
East_European_Neolithic:BGR_Middle_C,0.120652,0.171624,0.027153,-0.064923,0.052317,-0.026774,0.001175,0.002308,0.032519,0.062689,0,0.010191,-0.013677,-0.001101,-0.034744,-0.017634,-0.001173,0.005068,0.009804,-0.017008,-0.009733,0.008656,-0.010969,-0.015785,-0.002634
East_European_Neolithic:UKR_Trypillia_En,0.132035,0.165531,0.032809,-0.027778,0.065551,-0.0251,0.00282,0.012923,0.046631,0.057222,0.005684,-0.002248,-0.016353,-0.017065,-0.018322,0.000663,0.02725,0.004054,0.010559,-0.000875,0.010731,0.004451,-0.019596,-0.027835,-0.001437
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_CZE_early,0.1244463,0.1218633,0.0657443,0.0725673,0.013233,0.025658,0.0050917,0.0059997,-0.0139073,-0.0218683,-0.0048177,0.0029473,-0.0109513,-0.01601,0.0245657,0.0061433,-0.0093877,4.23e-05,-0.0027657,0.0030013,0.000416,-0.0009063,-0.0022593,0.002691,-0.0034727
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_FRA_C,0.132604,0.1340495,0.0605275,0.0385985,0.041854,0.0107375,-0.00047,0.006346,0.008897,0.0126655,-0.00203,0.012889,-0.015089,-0.0157575,0.0143865,0.0117345,-0.007888,0.0023435,-0.0016965,0.001751,-0.0004365,0.0058115,-0.0009245,-0.001265,-0.00467
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0.003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
West_Asian:ARM_Areni_C,0.1115468,0.1327805,-0.0316782,-0.0281818,-0.0278512,-0.005508,0.0022325,-0.0073265,-0.0236735,-0.0068795,0.007064,0.0064068,-0.0066528,-0.0040598,-0.0060735,-0.0100438,-0.0098115,0.0026922,0.0009428,-0.006941,-0.002901,0.0025965,0.0014175,-0.0031932,0.0047898
West_Asian:TUR_Ikiztepe_LC,0.1093966,0.1521039,-0.0491094,-0.078166,-0.0101898,-0.0275171,0.004883,-0.0010769,-0.0284969,0.0206331,0.0077223,0.0062279,-0.0184669,0.0088997,-0.0163318,-0.0136716,0.0115028,0.0030546,0.007402,-0.0093239,-0.0019826,-0.0020198,-0.0019309,-0.00565,0.0034328
Baltic:Baltic_LVA_MN,0.1293028,0.0706808,0.1523568,0.1945116,0.047578,0.0589576,-0.0050764,0.006323,0.0208204,-0.0559464,0.0052288,-0.0185234,0.0298512,-0.0275518,0.027931,0.036197,0.0010952,-0.0001266,-0.0074412,0.03104,0.0268278,0.0172372,-0.0087258,-0.0600808,0.0013894
Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL,0.09675,0.12491,0.073539,0.051034,0.033545,0.022311,0.0047,-0.015922,-0.012067,-0.014032,-0.006008,0.006894,0.010109,-0.020368,0.016829,0.002519,-0.022556,0.012289,0.012318,0.007379,-0.001747,0.014715,0.006162,0.013255,-0.000239
Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_CZE_late,0.1243381,0.11519,0.0537665,0.0826572,0.0107711,0.0293367,0.0037937,0.0021098,-0.0216991,-0.0327678,-0.0030621,0.000999,-0.0050616,-0.0141751,0.0261876,0.0048553,-0.0076927,-5.43e-05,0.00249,0.0066758,0.0004218,0.0008183,0.0034568,0.0135073,-0.0004163
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torzio said:
not working
states ....tabsource data 22: Error
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Yeah, interesting, try this one, this one worked on vahaduo, i just copied and pasting here.

Code: 
Adriatic_Neolithic:HRV_C_Lasinja,0.1245415,0.1786487,0.0203646,-0.0794311,0.0634221,-0.0394165,-0.0040146,-0.0018653,0.0439214,0.0813077,0.006049,0.0116523,-0.0208744,0.0006192,-0.0348462,-0.0067068,0.0184277,0.0031567,0.0110928,-0.0090042,-0.0059999,0.0057088,-0.0089047,-0.009931,-0.0061172
West_Mediterranean:ITA_Sardinia_C,0.1287624,0.1788602,0.0431804,-0.0573325,0.0789762,-0.030922,-0.0024676,-0.0017882,0.0582638,0.10023,0.0009741,0.0158296,-0.0345822,-0.0159125,-0.017389,-0.0007625,0.0133481,0.0034998,0.0070705,-0.0135534,0.000109,0.0013755,-0.0116161,-0.0280762,-0.0012573
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Peloponnese_N,0.1192866,0.176702,-0.0080704,-0.0965124,0.0409306,-0.0416662,-0.001645,-0.0051228,0.0253202,0.0726758,0.0066578,0.012499,-0.0241424,-0.0007708,-0.0353146,-0.0086448,0.0185666,0.000532,0.0104078,-0.0138568,-0.018193,0.0007172,-0.004289,-0.000699,-0.004766
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA,0.1155305,0.1675625,-0.0194215,-0.0805885,0.018773,-0.0352795,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.00634,0.049386,0.005846,0.014837,-0.0231165,0.006468,-0.026126,-0.0061655,0.0157115,0.003927,0.008485,-0.010192,-0.010107,-0.003462,0.001109,0.0046395,-0.0026345
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LBK_MN,0.123498,0.1807643,0.0126335,-0.0942352,0.0580878,-0.0403695,-0.0029375,-0.003,0.0397798,0.084603,0.008769,0.0125138,-0.02111,0.0004818,-0.042107,-0.0149492,0.01105,-0.0005382,0.012821,-0.0153825,-0.013757,0.0095827,-0.0092128,-0.0026512,-0.002934
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_Lengyel_LN,0.1272922,0.1777177,0.0206787,-0.0799425,0.0635502,-0.040997,-0.0038777,-0.0036153,0.0460522,0.0810342,0.0099055,0.0092667,-0.0207628,0.0022018,-0.0366672,-0.0123087,0.0169498,0.0019425,0.0106215,-0.009442,-0.0118957,0.0040187,-0.006984,-0.0086758,-0.0011178
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LN_EarlyC_Lengyel,0.124067,0.177718,0.019987,-0.082365,0.05878,-0.034861,0.00141,0.001615,0.051949,0.075081,0.01153,0.009741,-0.016353,0.008808,-0.036237,-0.023999,0.003781,0.005701,0.023757,-0.01063,-0.015722,0.005317,0.002218,-0.005061,-0.007185
East_European_Neolithic:BGR_Middle_C,0.120652,0.171624,0.027153,-0.064923,0.052317,-0.026774,0.001175,0.002308,0.032519,0.062689,0,0.010191,-0.013677,-0.001101,-0.034744,-0.017634,-0.001173,0.005068,0.009804,-0.017008,-0.009733,0.008656,-0.010969,-0.015785,-0.002634
East_European_Neolithic:UKR_Trypillia_En,0.132035,0.165531,0.032809,-0.027778,0.065551,-0.0251,0.00282,0.012923,0.046631,0.057222,0.005684,-0.002248,-0.016353,-0.017065,-0.018322,0.000663,0.02725,0.004054,0.010559,-0.000875,0.010731,0.004451,-0.019596,-0.027835,-0.001437
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_CZE_early,0.1244463,0.1218633,0.0657443,0.0725673,0.013233,0.025658,0.0050917,0.0059997,-0.0139073,-0.0218683,-0.0048177,0.0029473,-0.0109513,-0.01601,0.0245657,0.0061433,-0.0093877,4.23e-05,-0.0027657,0.0030013,0.000416,-0.0009063,-0.0022593,0.002691,-0.0034727
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_FRA_C,0.132604,0.1340495,0.0605275,0.0385985,0.041854,0.0107375,-0.00047,0.006346,0.008897,0.0126655,-0.00203,0.012889,-0.015089,-0.0157575,0.0143865,0.0117345,-0.007888,0.0023435,-0.0016965,0.001751,-0.0004365,0.0058115,-0.0009245,-0.001265,-0.00467
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0.003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
West_Asian:ARM_Areni_C,0.1115468,0.1327805,-0.0316782,-0.0281818,-0.0278512,-0.005508,0.0022325,-0.0073265,-0.0236735,-0.0068795,0.007064,0.0064068,-0.0066528,-0.0040598,-0.0060735,-0.0100438,-0.0098115,0.0026922,0.0009428,-0.006941,-0.002901,0.0025965,0.0014175,-0.0031932,0.0047898
West_Asian:TUR_Ikiztepe_LC,0.1093966,0.1521039,-0.0491094,-0.078166,-0.0101898,-0.0275171,0.004883,-0.0010769,-0.0284969,0.0206331,0.0077223,0.0062279,-0.0184669,0.0088997,-0.0163318,-0.0136716,0.0115028,0.0030546,0.007402,-0.0093239,-0.0019826,-0.0020198,-0.0019309,-0.00565,0.0034328
Baltic:Baltic_LVA_MN,0.1293028,0.0706808,0.1523568,0.1945116,0.047578,0.0589576,-0.0050764,0.006323,0.0208204,-0.0559464,0.0052288,-0.0185234,0.0298512,-0.0275518,0.027931,0.036197,0.0010952,-0.0001266,-0.0074412,0.03104,0.0268278,0.0172372,-0.0087258,-0.0600808,0.0013894
Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL,0.09675,0.12491,0.073539,0.051034,0.033545,0.022311,0.0047,-0.015922,-0.012067,-0.014032,-0.006008,0.006894,0.010109,-0.020368,0.016829,0.002519,-0.022556,0.012289,0.012318,0.007379,-0.001747,0.014715,0.006162,0.013255,-0.000239
Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_CZE_late,0.1243381,0.11519,0.0537665,0.0826572,0.0107711,0.0293367,0.0037937,0.0021098,-0.0216991,-0.0327678,-0.0030621,0.000999,-0.0050616,-0.0141751,0.0261876,0.0048553,-0.0076927,-5.43e-05,0.00249,0.0066758,0.0004218,0.0008183,0.0034568,0.0135073,-0.0004163

Here is mine:


Target: Hawk_scaled
Distance: 2.5834% / 0.02583351
28.0Corded_Ware_Horizont
28.0Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
25.4Aegean_Neolithic
9.0Yamnaya
8.2West_Asian
1.4Baltic
 
The point here is not to increase the distance, remember. Just leave it at zero, if you merge the components it will eventually fallback to and assign all of similar components to one. The algorithm is obviously not so advanced to know the difference, so we have to play around by flipping the sides of coin and manually comparing the results.
 
Hawk said:
Yeah, interesting, try this one, this one worked on vahaduo, i just copied and pasting here.
Code: 
Adriatic_Neolithic:HRV_C_Lasinja,0.1245415,0.1786487,0.0203646,-0.0794311,0.0634221,-0.0394165,-0.0040146,-0.0018653,0.0439214,0.0813077,0.006049,0.0116523,-0.0208744,0.0006192,-0.0348462,-0.0067068,0.0184277,0.0031567,0.0110928,-0.0090042,-0.0059999,0.0057088,-0.0089047,-0.009931,-0.0061172
West_Mediterranean:ITA_Sardinia_C,0.1287624,0.1788602,0.0431804,-0.0573325,0.0789762,-0.030922,-0.0024676,-0.0017882,0.0582638,0.10023,0.0009741,0.0158296,-0.0345822,-0.0159125,-0.017389,-0.0007625,0.0133481,0.0034998,0.0070705,-0.0135534,0.000109,0.0013755,-0.0116161,-0.0280762,-0.0012573
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Peloponnese_N,0.1192866,0.176702,-0.0080704,-0.0965124,0.0409306,-0.0416662,-0.001645,-0.0051228,0.0253202,0.0726758,0.0066578,0.012499,-0.0241424,-0.0007708,-0.0353146,-0.0086448,0.0185666,0.000532,0.0104078,-0.0138568,-0.018193,0.0007172,-0.004289,-0.000699,-0.004766
Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA,0.1155305,0.1675625,-0.0194215,-0.0805885,0.018773,-0.0352795,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.00634,0.049386,0.005846,0.014837,-0.0231165,0.006468,-0.026126,-0.0061655,0.0157115,0.003927,0.008485,-0.010192,-0.010107,-0.003462,0.001109,0.0046395,-0.0026345
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LBK_MN,0.123498,0.1807643,0.0126335,-0.0942352,0.0580878,-0.0403695,-0.0029375,-0.003,0.0397798,0.084603,0.008769,0.0125138,-0.02111,0.0004818,-0.042107,-0.0149492,0.01105,-0.0005382,0.012821,-0.0153825,-0.013757,0.0095827,-0.0092128,-0.0026512,-0.002934
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_Lengyel_LN,0.1272922,0.1777177,0.0206787,-0.0799425,0.0635502,-0.040997,-0.0038777,-0.0036153,0.0460522,0.0810342,0.0099055,0.0092667,-0.0207628,0.0022018,-0.0366672,-0.0123087,0.0169498,0.0019425,0.0106215,-0.009442,-0.0118957,0.0040187,-0.006984,-0.0086758,-0.0011178
Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LN_EarlyC_Lengyel,0.124067,0.177718,0.019987,-0.082365,0.05878,-0.034861,0.00141,0.001615,0.051949,0.075081,0.01153,0.009741,-0.016353,0.008808,-0.036237,-0.023999,0.003781,0.005701,0.023757,-0.01063,-0.015722,0.005317,0.002218,-0.005061,-0.007185
East_European_Neolithic:BGR_Middle_C,0.120652,0.171624,0.027153,-0.064923,0.052317,-0.026774,0.001175,0.002308,0.032519,0.062689,0,0.010191,-0.013677,-0.001101,-0.034744,-0.017634,-0.001173,0.005068,0.009804,-0.017008,-0.009733,0.008656,-0.010969,-0.015785,-0.002634
East_European_Neolithic:UKR_Trypillia_En,0.132035,0.165531,0.032809,-0.027778,0.065551,-0.0251,0.00282,0.012923,0.046631,0.057222,0.005684,-0.002248,-0.016353,-0.017065,-0.018322,0.000663,0.02725,0.004054,0.010559,-0.000875,0.010731,0.004451,-0.019596,-0.027835,-0.001437
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_CZE_early,0.1244463,0.1218633,0.0657443,0.0725673,0.013233,0.025658,0.0050917,0.0059997,-0.0139073,-0.0218683,-0.0048177,0.0029473,-0.0109513,-0.01601,0.0245657,0.0061433,-0.0093877,4.23e-05,-0.0027657,0.0030013,0.000416,-0.0009063,-0.0022593,0.002691,-0.0034727
Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_FRA_C,0.132604,0.1340495,0.0605275,0.0385985,0.041854,0.0107375,-0.00047,0.006346,0.008897,0.0126655,-0.00203,0.012889,-0.015089,-0.0157575,0.0143865,0.0117345,-0.007888,0.0023435,-0.0016965,0.001751,-0.0004365,0.0058115,-0.0009245,-0.001265,-0.00467
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0.003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya:Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
West_Asian:ARM_Areni_C,0.1115468,0.1327805,-0.0316782,-0.0281818,-0.0278512,-0.005508,0.0022325,-0.0073265,-0.0236735,-0.0068795,0.007064,0.0064068,-0.0066528,-0.0040598,-0.0060735,-0.0100438,-0.0098115,0.0026922,0.0009428,-0.006941,-0.002901,0.0025965,0.0014175,-0.0031932,0.0047898
West_Asian:TUR_Ikiztepe_LC,0.1093966,0.1521039,-0.0491094,-0.078166,-0.0101898,-0.0275171,0.004883,-0.0010769,-0.0284969,0.0206331,0.0077223,0.0062279,-0.0184669,0.0088997,-0.0163318,-0.0136716,0.0115028,0.0030546,0.007402,-0.0093239,-0.0019826,-0.0020198,-0.0019309,-0.00565,0.0034328
Baltic:Baltic_LVA_MN,0.1293028,0.0706808,0.1523568,0.1945116,0.047578,0.0589576,-0.0050764,0.006323,0.0208204,-0.0559464,0.0052288,-0.0185234,0.0298512,-0.0275518,0.027931,0.036197,0.0010952,-0.0001266,-0.0074412,0.03104,0.0268278,0.0172372,-0.0087258,-0.0600808,0.0013894
Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL,0.09675,0.12491,0.073539,0.051034,0.033545,0.022311,0.0047,-0.015922,-0.012067,-0.014032,-0.006008,0.006894,0.010109,-0.020368,0.016829,0.002519,-0.022556,0.012289,0.012318,0.007379,-0.001747,0.014715,0.006162,0.013255,-0.000239
Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_CZE_late,0.1243381,0.11519,0.0537665,0.0826572,0.0107711,0.0293367,0.0037937,0.0021098,-0.0216991,-0.0327678,-0.0030621,0.000999,-0.0050616,-0.0141751,0.0261876,0.0048553,-0.0076927,-5.43e-05,0.00249,0.0066758,0.0004218,0.0008183,0.0034568,0.0135073,-0.0004163
Here is mine:
Target: Hawk_scaled
Distance: 2.5834% / 0.02583351
28.0Corded_Ware_Horizont
28.0Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
25.4Aegean_Neolithic
9.0Yamnaya
8.2West_Asian
1.4Baltic
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it worked
Distance to: Torzio_scaled
0.06967182 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.07771560 Yamnaya:Yamnaya_BGR
0.09964819 East_European_Neolithic:UKR_Trypillia_En
0.10018328 East_European_Neolithic:BGR_Middle_C
0.10319787 West_Asian:ARM_Areni_C
0.10320471 Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
0.11193968 Bell_Beaker:Bell_Beaker_CZE_early
0.11731321 Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA
0.12528398 Corded_Ware_Horizont:Corded_Ware_CZE_late
0.13029004 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LN_EarlyC_Lengyel
0.13240502 Adriatic_Neolithic:HRV_C_Lasinja
0.13243124 West_Asian:TUR_Ikiztepe_LC
0.13358530 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_Lengyel_LN
0.13876650 Aegean_Neolithic:GRC_Peloponnese_N
0.14128138 West_Mediterranean:ITA_Sardinia_C
0.14303012 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic:HUN_LBK_MN
0.19279264 Yamnaya:Yamnaya_UKR
0.28668563 Baltic:Baltic_LVA_MN
Target: Torzio_scaled
Distance: 1.7453% / 0.01745329
31.0 East_European_Neolithic
30.4 Corded_Ware_Horizont
19.4 Yamnaya
16.0 Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
3.2 West_Asian
 
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bigsnake49 said:
Ancient Athenians used cremation rather extensively. Other areas mostly practiced inhumation. Of the 70 graves in the article above, 42 were inhumations, 22 were cremations, 4 were both and 2 are unknown.
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Yes, i have read about Athenian regions during Early Iron Age, and it's interesting nevertheless.
 
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