I2a-Din came to the Balkans and Dinaric Alps with the Thracians, Dacians & Illyrians

Where did I write something negative about Balkan? That about the goverment was to emphasise that it has more similarities with other Balkan governments than with the most of other European ones. I don't need to go into further detail. Let me see, where do you have your definition of Balkan and Balkan culture and history? Maybe you could teach me something. Clear the difference for me please, why is Croatian cultural background different than that of the Balkans?
 
Where did I write something negative about Balkan? That about the goverment was to emphasise that it has more similarities with other Balkan governments than with the most of other European ones.
what are those similarities ? Croatia has quite decent government as of now, and moderate economic growth. I'm not their voter, but I don't think you as person living in diaspora has enough insight in it.What are the differences of ''other european governments'' compared to Croatian one, and to ''other balkan governments'' ? I didn't quite understand your point.
I don't need to go into further detail. Let me see, where do you have your definition of Balkan and Balkan culture and history? Maybe you could teach me something. Clear the difference for me please, why is Croatian cultural background different than that of the Balkans?
Yes, you do. Rules of debate put burden of proof on you, since you are one to claim croatia is historically and culturally part of balkan world. You cannot simply say something, and than request other side to prove why it is not so. But since I'm polite, I will add main difference between Croatia and ''balkans'' doesn't lie in Ottoman occupation, but quite preceeds it, when medieval Europe was split in western (Frankish) and eastern (Byzantine) realm, with completely different societal, political and philosophical development and idea of state. No need to say, Croatia followed Frankish one.
 
Where did I write something negative about Balkan? That about the goverment was to emphasise that it has more similarities with other Balkan governments than with the most of other European ones.

Could you pls. elaborate what you meant by similarities between governments?
 
If you two racists don't stop this provocative t-rolling, you're out of here. You destroy every thread you join and do your best to make this site a laughing stock or a duplicate of some racist, anthroforum. You also make Croatians look awful, and they don't deserve it, most of whom, and certainly the ones I've met and am honored to call friends, are wonderful people.

One way or another it's going to stop.

@Moesan, Don Joe,
Thank you for interjecting some sanity into the discussion.
 
High degree of corruption, nationalism, the state holding a major part of economy causing the constant growth of national debth and unemployment rate and people leaving the country to survive, etc. Oh, I have some insight, I have family there. So, the same like Serbia, Kosovo, Greece, Romania and other Balkan countries. Thank you for being polite but is the Frankish area of influence the official definition or your own?
 
High degree of corruption, nationalism, the state holding a major part of economy causing the constant growth of national debth and unemployment rate and people leaving the country to survive, etc. Oh, I have some insight, I have family there. So, the same like Serbia, Kosovo, Greece, Romania and other Balkan countries. Thank you for being polite but is the Frankish area of influence the official definition or your own?

We should not rely on impressions but to stick to the facts instead. In order to interjecting some sanity into the discussion, I am linking a map of countries rated by Social Progress Index, which is, I think, the most objective and relevant measure for this discussion:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/2017_Social_Progress_Index_map.svg

More information here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Progress_Index#Rankings_and_scores_by_country

The SPI measures the well-being of a society by observing social and environmental outcomes directly rather than the economic factors. The social and environmental factors include wellness (including health, shelter and sanitation), equality, inclusion, sustainability and personal freedom and safety
 
If you two racists don't stop this provocative t-rolling, you're out of here. You destroy every thread you join and do your best to make this site a laughing stock or a duplicate of some racist, anthroforum. You also make Croatians look awful, and they don't deserve it, most of whom, and certainly the ones I've met and am honored to call friends, are wonderful people.

One way or another it's going to stop.

@Moesan, Don Joe,
Thank you for interjecting some sanity into the discussion.

@Angela, would you stop calling us racist , or I will be forced to report you to another moderator ? Before you ban us who you disagree with, could you please show any evidence of racist and hateful posts written by me or another Croat member ? Thank you.

I could write you make Italians look awful, for simple disagreeing with you, but that would be quite primitive, wouldn't it ?
 
^^International norms don't matter, geography doesn't matter, history doesn't matter, nothing matters to these two jokers except the fact that Croatians have a little less West Asian and Mediterranean, and a little more steppe, which they don't realize is itself 40% Iran CHG like/CHG like, than the rest of you.

They obviously don't want to be associated in any way with the rest of you because they're "superior" on account of these differences. If it wasn't so humorous in a black humor sort of way, it would be pathetic.

No amount of logic or reasoning will work with people like this. They're a hopeless case.
 
High degree of corruption, nationalism, the state holding a major part of economy causing the constant growth of national debth and unemployment rate and people leaving the country to survive, etc. Oh, I have some insight, I have family there. So, the same like Serbia, Kosovo, Greece, Romania and other Balkan countries. Thank you for being polite but is the Frankish area of influence the official definition or your own?

That's quite terrible argumentation. High degree of corruption is problem of all post-socialist countries, from Russia to Albania, and absolutely not related with being balkan or not.
As for nationalism, are Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, and lately Austria part of balkan too ? Because their governments are several degrees more nationalist than current croatian is (please check their offical stance towards non-European immigration and compare it with Croatian). If you aren't aware, current centre-right government of Croatia formed coalition with left-liberals, who are complete opposite of nationalist.

Leaving the country to survive ? Oh, I see, than million of Spaniards, southern Italians and Poles are balkanites too, aren't they ? Social problems you are talking about have no relation with cultral and historical belonging to balkans, which you again reduce to povertry and backwardness.

Quite prejudiced, I'd say.

For your last sentence, have you learned history ? For you understand fundamental differences between Byzantine and Frankish state concents ? Are you aware, Croats grew from former Frankish vassals to their indipendent Kingdom ? Do you understand, our state and political traditions differ radicaly from, Serbian or Bulgarian ones ?

I need to know do you posses basic historical knowldge before continuing debate with you.
 
@Angela, would you stop calling us racist , or I will be forced to report you to another moderator ? Before you ban us who you disagree with, could you please show any evidence of racist and hateful posts written by me or another Croat member ? Thank you.

I could write you make Italians look awful, for simple disagreeing with you, but that would be quite primitive, wouldn't it ?

Every time you post something trying to disassociate yourself and your countrymen from the rest of the Balkans, mainly based on the fact that you have a little less West Asian and Mediterranean than they do, you are revealing your ultra-nationalism and racism.

These are the kind of attitudes which led to the Balkan Wars and the atrocities that were committed.

I have never given a single infraction to someone for disagreement over the facts. I give them for racism, t-rolling, dishonestly, denigration of other ethnic groups, violations of forum rules, and violations of standards of decent, civilized human contact.

When I see posts like that, which bring this site into disrepute, the person responsible gets an infraction. It's as simple as that.

I'm sorry if you can't understand that.
 
Though Angela gave you the axe (or another mod) here's evidence in case you come back or choose to lurk, maxcro:
"I will ask you to refrain using Croatia in relation with ''balkans'' because I find it offensive and degratory. We don't identify with ''balkans'', ''balkan nations'' and so on, perhaps the Italians or other foreigners do, but now when you know it's not so well accepted among mainstream Croatian society I politely ask you to change your approach."

You come off as saying that it's offensive to associate Croatians with Albanians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Serbians etc as if you're having any closeness with them genetic or culturally is something undesirable.
 
^^He didn't come off as saying that: he was saying that. Alex Fritz apparently agrees with him and his racist world view.

I always knew he was a phony and probably from the Balkans. Another fake part Italian. Now he can go back to moribund anthrogenica and post his incomprehensible, loaded with irrelevant facts content, and whine about me and this site like the little baby he is...If I weren't a lady there are other words I could have used.

Maybe he can use the extra time to ask his mother where the hell his "Italian" ancestors came from, and whether his father's family came from East Germany. :) These kinds of people would last a flat minute, no more, on any operation. How incredibly lame.
 
^^He didn't come off as saying that: he was saying that. Alex Fritz apparently agrees with him and his racist world view.

I always knew he was a phony and probably from the Balkans. Another fake part Italian. Now he can go back to moribund anthrogenica and post his incomprehensible, loaded with irrelevant facts content, and whine about me and this site like the little baby he is...If I weren't a lady there are other words I could have used.

Maybe he can use the extra time to ask his mother where the hell his "Italian" ancestors came from, and whether his father's family came from East Germany. :) These kinds of people would last a flat minute, no more, on any operation. How incredibly lame.
:LOL: I love how you get back at these t-rolls, it's always entertaining to read your posts describing them or exploiting their bad arguments; they're real witty and not something you'd want to be on the receiving end of :), I swear you can make a big grown man feel minuscule with your words when he asks for it.

Anthrogenica is badly infected but it's not all bad. Yes there's still sikeliot and his infinitely ongoing Sicilian /Southern Italian obsession (is he ever going to STOP??) , horrible calculators and other forms of discrimination that's ignored by the lazy moderators but Kurd still posts there as well as some of the better members here.
 
That's quite terrible argumentation. High degree of corruption is problem of all post-socialist countries, from Russia to Albania, and absolutely not related with being balkan or not.
As for nationalism, are Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, and lately Austria part of balkan too ? Because their governments are several degrees more nationalist than current croatian is (please check their offical stance towards non-European immigration and compare it with Croatian). If you aren't aware, current centre-right government of Croatia formed coalition with left-liberals, who are complete opposite of nationalist.

Leaving the country to survive ? Oh, I see, than million of Spaniards, southern Italians and Poles are balkanites too, aren't they ? Social problems you are talking about have no relation with cultral and historical belonging to balkans, which you again reduce to povertry and backwardness.

Quite prejudiced, I'd say.

For your last sentence, have you learned history ? For you understand fundamental differences between Byzantine and Frankish state concents ? Are you aware, Croats grew from former Frankish vassals to their indipendent Kingdom ? Do you understand, our state and political traditions differ radicaly from, Serbian or Bulgarian ones ?

I need to know do you posses basic historical knowldge before continuing debate with you.

Even if I prove to you that I indeed have some basic historical knowledge, you would twist it again to try to prove your point, involving everybody from Attila the Hun to Merovingian dynasty. The manner how you do it is far from polite. I'm not going to insult. One should only read your posts and compare that what you assert to the facts which are available in internet. Just look at the map of Balkan Peninsula. Hello...what Franks and their vassals are you talking about?

Here I have something for you:

Corruption perceptions index

http://emerging-europe.com/voices/v...nst-corruption-in-europes-emerging-economies/

European competitiveness index

http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Europe/competitiveness

Did you find Croatia? Where did you start your search, on the top or on the bottom? What success are you talking about? Just click through a few informative pages before you come here and spread fake news and alternative history of civilisations.
 
Balkan is a term with plenty of meanings.

Is Croatia a Balkan country/nation?


Historically? No.

Culturally? No. (with few exceptions)

Confessionally? No.

Politically? No.

Linguistically? No.

Self-declaratively? No.

Geographically? Only partly, if we accept the strict geographical definition, which is dubious.

And the most relevant for this thread - genetically?




So, Croatia is not part of the Balkans, I get it. Let's move on...
The thread is about how I2-Din was brought to the Balkans...
 
Honestly even though I do not like the idea but South Slavs look very different from the northern ones.
 
Where did I write something negative about Balkan? That about the goverment was to emphasise that it has more similarities with other Balkan governments than with the most of other European ones. I don't need to go into further detail. Let me see, where do you have your definition of Balkan and Balkan culture and history? Maybe you could teach me something. Clear the difference for me please, why is Croatian cultural background different than that of the Balkans?

I can teach you something. There is an older name for Balkan and that is Helm. Which name foreigners use for it isn't of too much importance to us. We are used to nice foreign words like sciavo, slave, serf, and such.
 
I can teach you something. There is an older name for Balkan and that is Helm. Which name foreigners use for it isn't of too much importance to us. We are used to nice foreign words like sciavo, slave, serf, and such.
Sorry, I don't understand you. Slav is an indigenous slavic word. It comes from "sloviti" or to talk, so did the Slavs call themselves. It's the opposite of "Nijemci", which means mute, like he or she doesn't speak our language and which is even today a slavic word for Germans. Helm is a btw a german word for a helmet. I've never heard it being used for the Balkans. But maybe you can teach me.

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