Stable population structure in Europe since the Iron Age

Riverman said:
The two from Croatia being clearly integrated locally. The question is just since when.
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There are two V13 from Viminacium under the NE cluster too.

Most seem to be under the Balkan IA cluster anyway. Logical conclusion is here that all are local that were influenced autosomally from other migrating groups.
 
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Italian samples (north, south, wherever) will always be favoured over West Balkans because of that extra 20-30% Slavic/Gothic admixture (I1, I2, R1a), but West Balkans should be right behind.
 
The two J2b2-L283 samples have autosomal with closest tendencies toward Sardinia, this makes sense, the Sardinian island was a Phoenician colony, looks like J2b2-L283 was one of the markers of Nuragics.

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Let's see if he is really from Naissus. What is this mess around?

R6764; 256-405 AD; Naissus, Serbia; E-V13>Z1057>CTS1273>Y35953>BY15406>BY15402>BY15395>BY15410>BY15412>BY15415* (xBY15408)


Y35953 level: Y35953+ C>T (1T); BY15393+ A>C (2C); BY15394+ A>G (1G); FT11774+ G>A (1A); PF6787? G>A (2A-2G)

BY15406 level: Y95357+ A>G (1G); Y182367/FT171612+ C>G (1G); A473/PR6998/LLB17141+ C>T (1T); BY40495+ G>A (1A); FT178270+ C>A (2A); BY120753- C>T (1C); BY40485- A>T (1A)

BY15402 level: BY15401+ A>C (1C); BY15403+ A>G (1G)

BY15395 level: *no calls*

BY15410 level: *no calls*

BY15412 level: *no calls*

BY15415 level: FT165923+ C>T (1T)

BY15408 level: BY15417- C>A (2C)


DISCLAIMER:

I can't guarantee this is indeed the Naissus sample, since it seems there was some sort of mix-up with FASTQ files as well. Someone aligned the BAMs that were missing from ENA, and they can be found here:

http://genomes.e-m81.org/WGS/studies/PRJEB52852-BAM/

For example, R6750 from Viminacium had exactly the same Y-calls as R3931 from the same cemetery, and R6756 from Viminacium had exactly the same Y-calls as R11746 from Kerkouane. But even if this is some other sample from this paper, the Y-calls are 100% legit.
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That's a rather minor lineage, but it fits perfectly. It also shows a Western expansion from the Roman era, Germany and Croatia.
The major lineages so far Popper up more consistently in Pannonia from the already sampled areas.
Would fit the expected pattern.
 
Riverman said:
That's a rather minor lineage, but it fits perfectly. It also shows a Western expansion from the Roman era, Germany and Croatia.
The major lineages so far Popper up more consistently in Pannonia from the already sampled areas.
Would fit the expected pattern.
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Is that related to my line Z17107? These subclades naming are too confusing and seem to be changing all the time.
 
Dushman said:
Is that related to my line Z17107? These subclades naming are too confusing and seem to be changing all the time.
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No, your branch is part of the major clades I wrote about, especially E-Z5018 and E-Z5017.
 
Riverman said:
No, your branch is part of the major clades I wrote about, especially E-Z5018 and E-Z5017.
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I’m E-Z5017, more specifically E-V13>CTS9320>Z38456>BY4461. I thought Z17107 was part of Z5017. I remember my ancestral clade was present in Viminacium so I thought this one from Naissus is also related.
 
Dushman said:
I’m E-Z5017, more specifically E-V13>CTS9320>Z38456>BY4461. I thought Z17107 was part of Z5017. I remember my ancestral clade was present in Viminacium so I thought this one from Naissus is also related.
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No it is not. Just like the Croatian ones are also more isolated and no main branches.

On the other hand, the major branches are not just in Viminacium, but the Pannonian Tisza area too.
 
Hawk said:
The two J2b2-L283 samples have autosomal with closest tendencies toward Sardinia, this makes sense, the Sardinian island was a Phoenician colony, looks like J2b2-L283 was one of the markers of Nuragics.

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What time period are these samples from?
 
That Nish sample looks like a "northern EV-13", similar to the Croatian samples. Only relative is in Germany.

Croatia one had relatives in Belarus, Russia, England and Germany, and none in Balkans.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY152493/

If this is 200-400 AD, then Albanian speakers already had taken over the city by then. Surprised to see these exotic clades.

All of Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro have shown related, but "cousin" Y-DNA lineages to the modern Albanian ones.
 
Hawk said:
The two J2b2-L283 samples have autosomal with closest tendencies toward Sardinia, this makes sense, the Sardinian island was a Phoenician colony, looks like J2b2-L283 was one of the markers
The Italian_Carloforte component represents ethnic ligurian descendants in Sardinia not actual native Sardinians
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Hawk said:
Not quite sure but i think Middle Iron Age, somewhere between IV to VI century B.C.
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The interesting thing is that both the Istrian hill-fort culture and through it Posu?je might have had Italian influences in the Bronze Age.
This could be the connection, regardless of the direction. Not just Adriatic migrants directly.
 
Question: These K13 maps from Ph2ter are showing which modern day populations are closest to the ancient sample in question?
 
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