Politics Vote for a president of USA - 2016 election

Pick a president.

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 11 20.8%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 11 20.8%
  • Ted Cruz

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Marco Rubio

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 24 45.3%

  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
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We'll see whether this drives his numbers up or down.

The way I see it, Donald Trump has said so many inappropriate things already, including inciting violence to punch people and get them out on a stretcher without making him any less popular. Apart that he is incredibly unstable in what he says. Also the media in General was not very kind to him either. ALL of this does not seem to have made any difference to his supporters and I don't think that this incident is going to make any either. If anything it will make them stauncher and reason something to the tune it serves them right bla bla bla. The way he bitches and boasts personally makes me sick, but his behavior and what he says sounds like sweet music to a good chunk of American society. Thats the reality. He is unstopable in the Republican race. I hope he will be stoppable in the General elections. If not my take is we are going to see a much more turbulent world then we have experienced recently. I wish that I am very wrong.
 
Violent, organized protests forced the cancellation of a Trump rally in Chicago last night.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-chicago-protests/

It's sad on so many levels. Violent protests to shut down opposing views are totally abhorrent. On the other hand, Trump isn't blameless. No political candidate should be saying he wants to punch protestors or screaming at them to go get a job. He has created a toxic, uncontrolled environment.

We'll see whether this drives his numbers up or down.

Angela! You appear to be a respected voice in science but you are socially brainwashed.
From a well rounded scientist like you more realistic approach to social phenomena is expected.! Its millions of people voting Trump across America, and assuming that, that mass of men and women many with PhD in science are stupid or ignorant, or angry, or disillusioned is trying to hide the reality. The reality is that american worker is under pressure to feed millions of Mexicans, blacks and asians and the back of American worker is broken. That's why they flood Trumps rallies! Trump has just scratched the wound its not him who opened those wounds!
I was participating in Chikago rally and I saw myself the protesters! They were inner city people who are afraid of losing free food that they are getting from the government now, in return they have promised not to break the buses or windows glasses! How much more the american worker can take? Many try to blame Trump why did he not try to hide the truth, like the other candidates are doing! Is that what you want, hiding the truth or resolving the problems? If you want problems resolved do yourself a favor: Vote Trump!
 
Vote Trump!
Which one? His friends say their are two Trumps. Supposedly there is one "cerebral", wise and thoughtful at home, only seen by the inner circle of friends and associates. Second one is the showman hypocrite on stage selling "the make believe savior president" to scared and disappointed Americans. I hope you vote for the right one, lol.

Do you think he will also "close the boarders" to robotics and automation, technology in general, which steals more American factory jobs than Mexicans and Chinese together?
 
Many Americans ( republicans and democrats ) I know state that they will vote for trump because there was no change to the banking/financial laws after many many families lost their homes and jobs from 2008. They just want an overhaul of the American Oligarchy system.

The system is the same as the Russian system IMO without the Hispanics and Negroes.
 
Which one? His friends say their are two Trumps. Supposedly there is one "cerebral", wise and thoughtful at home, only seen by the inner circle of friends and associates. Second one is the showman hypocrite on stage selling "the make believe savior president" to scared and disappointed Americans. I hope you vote for the right one, lol.

Do you think he will also "close the boarders" to robotics and automation, technology in general, which steals more American factory jobs than Mexicans and Chinese together?


He is not promising protectionism. Borders will be closed to Mexico. There are 6 million children of Mexican descent living on US workers shoulders!, The cost of every one of them could be as high as $ 100 000. Free food, free medical care, free education, well-fare for their parents! Only by closing the borders could be saved as much as $300 billion a year. Not to mention the quality of life will change if Mexicans are forced to leave!
 
Many Americans ( republicans and democrats ) I know state that they will vote for trump because there was no change to the banking/financial laws after many many families lost their homes and jobs from 2008. They just want an overhaul of the American Oligarchy system.

The system is the same as the Russian system IMO without the Hispanics and Negroes.

"People hope that Millonaire Trump will change financial system for these people"

:confused: Really???
 
...Many try to blame Trump why did he not try to hide the truth, like the other candidates are doing! Is that what you want, hiding the truth or resolving the problems? If you want problems resolved do yourself a favor: Vote Trump!


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Watch it again, you can begin 2.20sec

The 76% of words which comes from his mouth is lie.


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Even there is no true and he has the higgest record of "pants on the fire"

So let's be careful, when we call someone as brainwashed :grin:

You can be sick of OBAMA policies, but a liar is not your medicine.

By the way, I don't know did you notice but top 5 liars are republician :LOL:
 
the popularity of Trump is not because he offers real solutions, it is because he breaches so many taboos

there are to many taboos correct politicians don't want to discuss

it is not the victory of Trump, it is the defeat of correct politicians

comparing Trump with Hitler means you don't want to discus these subjects with him because you know you'll loose if you don't breach these taboos
 
the popularity of Trump is not because he offers real solutions, it is because he breaches so many taboos

there are to many taboos correct politicians don't want to discuss

it is not the victory of Trump, it is the defeat of correct politicians

comparing Trump with Hitler means you don't want to discus these subjects with him because you know you'll loose if you don't breach these taboos

This is the way of how the Erdogan win the first two elections.
 
This is the way of how the Erdogan win the first two elections.

Erdogan is a few stages further than Trump.

Erdogan owns half of the press has the power to shut down the other half.
He rules by writing his own decrees.
He has special forces like the 'Lions of Allah' and uses terror to his own people.
He tells the Turks that want to hear it that they are a superior nation and that Ottoman Empire should be restored.
 
Erdogan is a few stages further than Trump.

Not during his first two elections. West was idolizing him as saver of Turkey from millitary coups.

He tells the Turks that want to hear it that they are a superior nation and that Ottoman Empire should be restored.

Oh yes Trump is more different.

"I won't accept Muslim to America
I will build wall to Mexico-USA border."

Let's check Trumps camping
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016

I am not stupid my friend (y)
 
comparing Trump with Hitler means you don't want to discus these subjects with him because you know you'll loose if you don't breach these taboos

Thats another great similarity between Trump and Hitler. He became popular for exactly the same reason and his followers went euphoric and loved the guy that spoke his mind.....any more similarities observed?
 
Not during his first two elections. West was idolizing him as saver of Turkey from millitary coups.

yes the west is stupid and naive to think their democratic system can work in other parts of the world
 
Oh yes Trump is more different.

"I won't accept Muslim to America
I will build wall to Mexico-USA border."

Let's check Trumps camping
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016

I am not stupid my friend (y)

Trump says there is a lot of hatred of Muslims against America.

That is the truth.
There are 1.6 billion Muslims.
I just don't know whether 10 million, 100 million or 1 billion Muslims hate America.

Yet everybody reacts in a cramp when Trump says such things.

I am confident that the majority of the American Muslims don't hate America.
But their only reaction they can think of is to be angry at Trump.
They should admit that Trump is correct, there are many Muslims that hate America.
They should distantiate themselves and condemn that kind of Muslims.
But it is a taboo for them to condemn other Muslims.
This taboo allows Trump to create hatred against them.
 
Thats another great similarity between Trump and Hitler. He became popular for exactly the same reason and his followers went euphoric and loved the guy that spoke his mind.....any more similarities observed?

This is not a similarity between Trump and Hitler. It is a similarity between the oponents of Trump and the oponents of Hitler.
 
Trump says there is a lot of hatred of Muslims against America.

But it is a taboo for them to condemn other Muslims.
This taboo allows Trump to create hatred against them.

I believe the 5 million Palestinian refugees issue that are still living in 'camps' is also a taboo issue....and I think its very well linked to what you are mentioning. But hey! who wants to talk about that? ;)
 
This is not a similarity between Trump and Hitler. It is a similarity between the oponents of Trump and the oponents of Hitler.

I sincerly do not understand what you mean
 
The way I see it, Donald Trump has said so many inappropriate things already, including inciting violence to punch people and get them out on a stretcher without making him any less popular. Apart that he is incredibly unstable in what he says. Also the media in General was not very kind to him either. ALL of this does not seem to have made any difference to his supporters and I don't think that this incident is going to make any either. If anything it will make them stauncher and reason something to the tune it serves them right bla bla bla. The way he bitches and boasts personally makes me sick, but his behavior and what he says sounds like sweet music to a good chunk of American society. Thats the reality. He is unstopable in the Republican race. I hope he will be stoppable in the General elections. If not my take is we are going to see a much more turbulent world then we have experienced recently. I wish that I am very wrong.

I don't think it will lessen the support of his core voters. It just reinforces the beliefs that fueled their anger in the first place, including their sense that the left believes in free speech only for themselves, and that, to Bicicleur's point, things that are obviously true can no longer be said.

The question for me is whether these attempts to shut him down will so infuriate other Republicans (and cross over Democrats) that they will give him enough votes in the remaining primaries to get him the Republican nomination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrljcmIyOuk

Up to now I thought he could be stopped since he was stalled at about 35% in the primaries and a good chunk of that was from cross-over Democrats (That's the insanity, imo, of having "open" primaries, where non party members can vote or register party affiliation on the day of the primary.).

If the anger over scenes like this works in his favor, he might defeat Kasich in his home state despite a 78% approval rating, and also Rubio in Florida, and he might then take the nomination given that the remaining states are ones where the winner takes all the delegates (no proportional representation) despite never getting above 40% of the votes cast.

@Boreas,
Please source your material. If that chart comes from Media Matters or The New York Times it's useless.

@Bicileur,

You're right. He offers no solutions. It's just slogans that appeal to the emotions of people who don't like what is happening to their lives and to the country in general and feel powerless to change it. He either doesn't know anything about the issues he's addressing, or the things he promises can't be done. One laughable example: when he was asked how he would handle some foreign conflict his response was that he's such a great negotiator that he'd just get everybody to agree. I mean, it's ludicrous. It's as if these people have suspended all logic. It's in this way that his campaign is disturbingly reminiscent of Hitler's. He's giving impassioned speeches that speak not to reason but to emotion, and those speeches can drive division and the scapegoating of minority groups.

That he's even running as a Republican is strange. He's been against second amendment gun rights, has been for universal health care, unlimited abortion rights, etc. He's a totally irreligious man with a string of divorces behind him. His knowledge of the Constitution could fit into a thimble, and he would probably appoint very liberal judges. The only issues on which he could be held to be on the right are support of the military and issues of national security and foreign policy. Well, he's also a supporter of capitalism, of course, and against socialism.

To be fair to him, I've never heard of anything to the effect that he's personally bigoted in any way against any "group", and he's a very known quantity here in New York: a lot of people have rubbed shoulders with him. I mean, his wives have been foreigners, his daughter converted to Judaism on her marriage, I don't think he gives a damn about anyone's sexual orientation, I've never heard of him exhibiting any racism etc.

I wonder if he really understands the kind of whirlwind he's unleashed. Most of his supporters wouldn't hurt a fly, but there's no denying that a minority of them hold opinions that would probably horrify him. That elicits a response from "bad actors" on the other side.

I honestly don't know how this will end. It's true that in the early primaries he got some support from a percentage of Hispanics(Mexican Americans) just based on economics and his promises to improve the economy (in Nevada, for example). We'll see if that continues as the rhetoric heats up. I'll tell you that the Hispanics around me, Puerto Ricans and Central Americans, the latter of whom all have illegals in their families, hate him like poison. It's a mistake to treat Hispanics as a monolithic block. I'll tell you another thing, if he comes to be viewed as some sort of white supremacist he'll go down and he'll trash the Republican Party in the process and then there will be no opposing force to extreme liberalism. There just aren't enough white people who would vote for him.

Another thing, the organizers of the protests are the moveon.org crowd, who are anarchists and/or communists, in my opinion, and black groups like "black lives matter".
 
I believe the 5 million Palestinian refugees issue that are still living in 'camps' is also a taboo issue....and I think its very well linked to what you are mentioning. But hey! who wants to talk about that? ;)

For correct politicians both are taboo because they fear los of voters.
They think that :

For Muslim voters Muslim fundamentalism is taboo.
For Jewish voters Palestinian refugees are taboo.

But Palestinain refugees is not even an issue for the 2016 election.
American voters are much more concerned with fundamentalism.
 
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