Northener
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Sure, but why should they, if there is a fairly clear cut border and people in these regions can just vote? There is no reason to press them into a state they don't want to prove the point. Mariupol too was almost taken by the separatists in the 2014 war. If it would, it would be now clearly pro-Russian and part of the Donbas Republics. But Western Ukrainian nationalists came in and fought back, which is why this is now a front city. It wouldn't be otherwise.
Or the reverse why should they not!
Ethnicity is a deciding factor for you apparently. As it was before with the believers in Europe (take Catholic and Protestant) it can also be the case here, a peaceful coexistence is more than dividing into alleged ethnicities with high fences around it and armed to the teeth. Is not necessary.
I am and always was against this invasion. But I understand why he did it and now it happened, we have to find a way out of this mess without just blaming one side, because the Ukrainians and Americans have their fair share.
Its not on "other countries", its about a specific, corrupted, American manipulated, anti-Russian regime which acted arrogant, brutal and insolent. If the Kievan regime would have serious, honest politicians which did a negotiate in a honourable way, all would be very different. But this Selenski regime is a disgrace and that he betrayed his voters, including many Russian voters in Ukrainian, which voted for him to make peace and reconcile with Russia is a massive betrayal. You can see on the map I posted some pages ago, that the Western nationalist Ukrainian core voted for Poroshenko. He was the alternative candidate, pushed by the oligarchs and the US services, to catch the vote of the "more moderate" and even some pro-Russians, to prevent a second term of the even more nationalist Poroshenko. They got tricked into this war, and into this corrupted authoritarian regime, with false promises, by skewed media coverage and massive propaganda.
Poroshenko at least said who he was and what he does, but that regime is a trickster. You can read up on the election campaign and the people behind it yourself.
Now he gets all the support from the Western Ukrainian nationalists, because he followed the warpath, he just made it more "skilled" and manipulative, creating the "Ukrainian victim" narrative better than Poroshenko could have ever done and he is now hardcore anti-Russian, which is their main concern, anyway.
It's not one and the same.
These are the long lines in history:
https://www.raamoprusland.nl/dossie...-the-real-world-and-putin-s-imperial-delirium
This is eloquent written with a right eye for history not that imperial Kremlin propaganda kind of thing. You can't refute this history!