E-V13 subclades in Greece

hrvat22 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians
https://postimg.org/image/4qxnhdqsb/
Subclade CTS5856 4700 years old, north Albania.
All mutations behind CTS5856 exist in Albania and Albanians.
Obviously all Albanian mutations are in the area of Albania and wider old around 4000 to 100 years.
27,5% Albanians and 47% Albanians from Kosovo with E1b CTS5856, live in south Balkan 4700 to 100 years (their ancestors).
Are they part of Ilirians or not..??
When we see how old are types of R1b and J2a in Albanias and Albania then we will tell how much of today's Albanians are Illyrian origin.
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Albanian J2 is actually overwhelmingly J2b2-L283 (J-L283). On average it makes up 20-25% of Albanian Y-DNA. The same haplogroup was found in Bronze Age Dalmatia ca. 1550 BC.
Haplogroup R1b makes up 20-25% of Albanian Y-DNA as well. R1b-Z2103 was found in the Vucedol Culture ca. 2725 BC.
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Source: The Genomic History of Southeastern Europe (samples: I4331, I3499, I3948)

So all three major Albanian Y-DNA haplogroups in ancient DNA have been found in Western Balkans (Illyrian territory).
 
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Garrick said:
You didn't give ancient samples, obviously you have no genetic evidence from ancient epoches, you did nothing.
No Illyrian. You are in mistake. But I will explain you detailed, enjoy, nice time in Croatia.
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Since Illyrians came from the east-austrian and slovenian lands in the bronze-age and we know that the dalmatians where from East-austria ( Noricum )
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One needs to investigate if the western Balkans before the arrival of Illyrians from the north was what ancient Greeks state, that is, there where thracians there..........Herodous did say the thracians are the most populous people in the world after the Indians.
i am referring to late bronze age and early iron -age
 
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blevins13 said:
Hrvat22 waste no time with Garrick....he is a lost case.... first he sad Albanians are from Caucas and came with Turks.... now some other Crap......


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This is also case in the topic on Croatian origin. After hundred and fifty years of myth that all in the Balkans are Serb origin, when it needs to prove with genetics, now it's a panic.

They talk that Albanians come from Caucas 500 years ago, but main haplotype in the Albanians is 4,000 years old in the same place. They do not understand that this is myth.
 
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Trojet said:
Albanian J2 is actually overwhelmingly J2b2-L283 (J-L283). On average it makes up 20-25% of Albanian Y-DNA. The same haplogroup was found in Bronze Age Dalmatia ca. 1550 BC.
Haplogroup R1b makes up 20-25% of Albanian Y-DNA as well. R1b-Z2103 was found in the Vucedol Culture ca. 2725 BC.
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Source: The Genomic History of Southeastern Europe (samples: I4331, I3499, I3948)

So all three major Albanian Y-DNA haplogroups in ancient DNA have been found in Western Balkans (Illyrian territory).
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That's what I thought. In the end genes will say everything, there is no hiding.
Some will cry afterwards but we have respect genetic truth.
 
Shetop said:
There is no other way to say it - you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
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The first serbian tree (with some albanian last names in it) is from the serbian DNA project data. EV13 is the second largest haplogroup for
serbs according to the serbian dna project.

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This is the EV13 tree from the albanian bloodlines project:

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It is a very basic concept. If EV13 was found in the balkans that is 7400 years old, this means it is indigenous and predates ANY SLAV migration/invasion into the balkans.

It is 100% clear that it is not a slav haplogroup, thats for sure at least.
 
Johane Derite said:
It is a very basic concept.
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I understand the concept.
hrvat22 wrote, I quote "All mutations behind CTS5856 exist in Albania and Albanians" . This is simply not true. There are 9 known CTS5856 subbranches and unknown number of unknown branches. So far, only 2 of those 9 are found in Albanians Z5017 and Z5018.

These are the direct CTS5856 subbranches which are not found among Albanians yet: A9723, Y19509, Z38899, Y16729, S7461, Z16663, S3003.
 
Shetop said:
I understand the concept.
hrvat22 wrote, I quote "All mutations behind CTS5856 exist in Albania and Albanians" . This is simply not true. There are 9 known CTS5856 subbranches and unknown number of unknown branches. So far, only 2 of those 9 are found in Albanians Z5017 and Z5018.

These are the direct CTS5856 subbranches which are not found among Albanians yet: A9723, Y19509, Z38899, Y16729, S7461, Z16663, S3003.
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I didn't see that quote of his in particular, nonetheless its clear he means those that are share by serbs are clearly the same as those of the albanians, meaning the
same paternal ancestor.


Can you produce me a link to these because some of them aren't showing up on YFULL for me:

"These are the direct CTS5856 subbranches which are not found among Albanians yet: A9723, Y19509, Z38899, Y16729, S7461, Z16663, S3003"
 
Shetop said:
I understand the concept.
hrvat22 wrote, I quote "All mutations behind CTS5856 exist in Albania and Albanians" . This is simply not true. There are 9 known CTS5856 subbranches and unknown number of unknown branches. So far, only 2 of those 9 are found in Albanians Z5017 and Z5018.
These are the direct CTS5856 subbranches which are not found among Albanians yet: A9723, Y19509, Z38899, Y16729, S7461, Z16663, S3003.
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BY20093 Albanian
Z38456 Albanian
Z16988 Albanian
FGC33625 Albanian
FGC11450 Albanian
L241 Albanian
Z16661 Albanian

All have an ancestor mutation CTS5856.

Subbranches which are not found among Albanians yet: A9723, Y19509, Z38899, Y16729, S7461, Z16663, S3003 they are possible left Balkans 4, 3 thousand years ago and today have nothing to do with Albanians except that they come from common ancestors from Albania (subclade CTS5856).

Do Serbs have these mutations?
 
Johane Derite said:
The first serbian tree (with some albanian last names in it) is from the serbian DNA project data. EV13 is the second largest haplogroup for
serbs according to the serbian dna project.



ztZjLA8.jpg


This is the EV13 tree from the albanian bloodlines project:

JvgXe2L.jpg


It is a very basic concept. If EV13 was found in the balkans that is 7400 years old, this means it is indigenous and predates ANY SLAV migration/invasion into the balkans.

It is 100% clear that it is not a slav haplogroup, thats for sure at least.
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Possibly only subclade PH1246 for now has nothing to do with Albanias.
 
hrvat22 said:
This is also case in the topic on Croatian origin. After hundred and fifty years of myth that all in the Balkans are Serb origin, when it needs to prove with genetics, now it's a panic.

They talk that Albanians come from Caucas 500 years ago, but main haplotype in the Albanians is 4,000 years old in the same place. They do not understand that this is myth.
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No myth here..... this is a lie created in the last 200 years to support expansion agendas.....


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No place for such Albanian and Croatian propaganda here, it is all about truth and Genetics
 
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You have genetics and refute us and propaganda.

All we are saying for now is true and if genetics say otherwise we will respect that.
 
Shetop said:
I understand the concept.
hrvat22 wrote, I quote "All mutations behind CTS5856 exist in Albania and Albanians" . This is simply not true. There are 9 known CTS5856 subbranches and unknown number of unknown branches. So far, only 2 of those 9 are found in Albanians Z5017 and Z5018.

These are the direct CTS5856 subbranches which are not found among Albanians yet: A9723, Y19509, Z38899, Y16729, S7461, Z16663, S3003.
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This one is found.
 
blevins13 said:
So what is your truth than....


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Thanks for asking :)

1. Albanian is not Ilyrian
2. Croatian is not Ilyrian
3. E-V13 is 100 % not Albanian, haplogroups are not held by modern nationalities
4. I2a Din Souht is 100% not Croatian, haplogroups are not held by modern nationalities
5. E-V13 is ancient and uber European
6. I2a Din ( especially North) is really connected with Slavic people
7. Looks have nothing to do with Y Haplogroup, Male line just says where the father of the father of the father of the father etc. maybe kind ,sort of lived
8. Croats and Albanians are not the fathers of Serbs and Bulgarians and Greeks and Vlachs

I could wirte a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot more

:)
 
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