Jovialis
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Greeks are Greeks. it think it is wrong to start grouping them together with other people based on genetics and this is what the white supremacists Taleb is talking about constantly do for example by saying they belong to a european/white genetic group. and here it is necessary to point out the similarities that exist between populations they think are superior(for example BA-steppe) and compare them with the similarities with populations they think are inferior. saying that greeks are close to Natufians was never the point imo.
Hold on, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth now:
still, some of the points he is making are true. especially this:"So, if white supremacists want to claim a genetic link to ancient civilizations in order to get some “lettres de noblesse” and improve the “European” pedigree, they need another route. They would either need to abandon their link to Western Civilization or abandon their antisemitism. You, simply, cannot have both."
the ancient greeks did also resemble bronze age levant more than steppe. saying that is not really laying claim on greeks.
saying that the distance between lebanese and greeks is minimal and much closer compared to the non-levantine arab speakers is probably wrong but why should this be laying claim on greeks? it's more likely he just doesn't want to be associated with other people from the arab league. the wording he is using seems a bit hypocritcal.
You're the one that is trying to say they are closer to one or the other. I am merely correcting you, by saying they are closest to Anatolian_N, a source population. Again, Steppe is merely a component of Europe, it is also a component of non-Europeans. Anatolian_N is important to both Europeans, and Non-europeans too.
Of course Greeks are Greeks, in fact all of those supremacists of future eras (White and Brown) probably read the old writings from them, which is why they have an inferiority complex, and seek to emulate them. After all, the Ancient Greeks considered themselves to be superior, and considered outsiders to be Barbarian/half-animals (sub-human), who should be enslaved.