i have not said that pomaks are R1a Y-DNA,
I have n'y found any connection,
I said that pomaks Gorani Torbesi, are isolated comnunities,
a gennetical search proves that all pomaks in Greece share a unique Dna Characteristic,
The R1a of Thracians is from ancient Tombs,
I don't know about Y-DNA of pomaks,
but as isolated for more than 1000 (better estimation 1500 -2500 years) means that these people, especially the Pomaks in north Greece, did not marry easily foreigners,
they live there at least before 1000 AD average after 100 AD,
that make pomaks possible to be origins of a thracian tribe,
on the other hand their language, is the less latin slavic language,
that case leads to a conclusion that either Thracians were proto-slavic or near-slavic speakers,
either pomaks are pure Slavic or Balkars that invade at 6 century AD,
the possibilty of a small inavders familly tribe that habited mountains.
their connections with Turkey is just a propaganda pushed by Turkish cause every muslim in Balkans must be a Turkish,
the situation muslim = Turk, christian = Greek or Slavic is over in balkans,
in fact the language of pomaks could a tool for propaganda for modern Bulgarians, that ancient Thracians spoke a Slavic-relative language,
so Odryssai Thracians was the starting point of Thracian expansion
pomaks are a tribe a sub-nation either ancient Thracian either Slavic or Balkars (the real ones)
I don't know about DYS or pomaks DNA,
I read about R1a of ancient tombs in posts by Macciamo and Julia.
about Pomaks i know a lot of them from University times, (west-Greek Thrace)
Ferata Storti fundation made a blood (Αιματολογια) search in Pomaks and found HbO -Arab in Greek pomaks, that is not that much spread in rest named pomaks,
Pomaks are mainly small patrias (familly tribes) which many of them are not even connected,
simply all muslim slavic-speaking are consider pomaks and that is mistake, or propapaganda pushed by some,
Pomaks of Greece are not connected with pomaks of Albania (torbesi) for example, they have tottaly different characteristics,
but politician name all slavic speaking muslims as pomaks,
pomaks tribe are considered
the pomaks of Rodope Echinos (original pomaks, with typical and standard characteristics)
pomaks of Pazardix area BG (slavic speaking muslims, kazanlak people could be Turkish not pomaks or turned to turkish before centuries)
Torbesi are not Pomaks but slavic speaking muslim, their acceptance as Pomaks is to categorize them as nation or a minority,
Torbesi could be slaviciced tribe,
Gorani are considered relatives of BG pomaks (pazardix area), also could be Serbs, that later accept islam,
the Burgass pomaks is a strange sittuation since are also the majority of Turkish pomaks
mainly these 5 tribes live in balkans,
there is another tribe the karadjova pomaks but immigrated to turkey at 1920 when Greek-Turkish exchange pop was done,
Pomak is consider every Muslim that speak slavic,
they are not a nation but mostly tribes that share culture of islam and Slavic language,
exept some areas in Turkey or Kazanlak in BG which could be Turkish origin, the rest of them are Slavic people or pre pre-slavic that slavicised and then Muslimized
the pomaks of Greece Rodopa is the special occasion that could originated from Thracian or purely early Slavic, that accept Islam,
the rest mainly Local Balkan people that first accepted slavic language and then islam religion,
that is why Gorani Torbesi and Pomaks speak dialects with other elements than primary slavic
the gennetical interest is in the about 30 villages of blonde Pomaks in Rodope mostly in the Greek area estimation of 20-30 000 people in GR and BG, since they are the most isolated and surely the most homogenous. And not to all that share the word Pomaks.
as an example All muslims of west Thrace in Greece are not real POMAKS,
but they use that inner name or an exonym,
the case of Koprulu Mehmet pasa is still under discusion and still mention everytime on how Pomaks islamization starts
many histories, like their origin was from Phillipolis and took mountains for avoid genocide,
Gulem kamen, Momtsi kamen momin kamen etc
or a beutifull woman that in order to marry Vizier all familly should accept islam
or they knew to rose oil secret, etc,
some even connect Rodope Pomaks with Alaric 1 of Visigoths
All the above could be just fake propaganda or science fiction or true
exept the case of Alaric 1 that some soldiers took mountains and left his army
but has no prove
the rest tribes of pomaks don't have that much interest since are considered Balkan people who either slavicised or were slavic and accept islam,
exept the other tribes the area of Ωacha valley - Κομοτηνη and the Area Echinos Ξανθη Tribes have gennetical interest, with priority the Echinos, the most isolated,
for Turkish goverment all Gorani Torbesi Pomaks are Turkish nation !!!!
For Bulgarian are Bulgarians who accept islam,
for Greeks exept the Echinos area all the rest could be Balkan people, Thracians Romans Cinquaroi, Serbs Bulgarians Egyptians Indians Greeks Roma that 1rst accept Slavic language, (or were slavic) and 2nd became muslims
in case of kazanlak BG pomaks could be Turks immigrants that accepted slavic language
the case of Echinos area pomaks as also the vacha valley could be Ancient Thracian origin
or the original Slavic invaders or the real Balkars invaders,
the case of Visigoths has no Historical evidence. but is a possible scenario,
as also the case that are original Cumans
if you have any new but scientific and not science fiction link plz help.
I repeat that if pomaks of Greek Echinos are ancient Thracians then surely the connection of Ancient Thracian to be a pre -south slavic is obvious, something among Greco-Slavic Thracian and not the Illyro-Daci Thracian branch
the 500 years of islamization of pomaks did not change their language to Turkish than the last 50 years,
the case of Pomaks being Turks from Anadolia that dwell balkans and accept slavic is Funny,
only in case of Kazanluk could be true, but not in isolated mountains
since they already knew Turkish and lived in mountains isolated and at ottomans empire time, changed language to Slavic with Greek influence
etrified:
is more than funny