Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

Riverman said:
I know a bit about the diversity in Bulgarians and Greeks, no way that's recent. Its very old with the exception of the clearly Albanian related lineages, which are not the majority, however, but only a minority.
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So where is it? EV-13 literally shows up in 1 site in Eastern Bulgaria in 800 BC, and they're all probably cousins or some shit.

Everywhere else, even in recent times, it almost non-existent: Albania, Greece, Serbia, Romania.

It's like people don't want to admit founder effects exist.... J2B2 itself was also clearly a founder effect, just way back in the past.
 
Other things I got right

R-Y14088 from Bezdanjaca
R-Y4355 from N.Croatia , same site as V13 sample


I noticed years ago multiple clusters of unrelated R-Y4355 around Balkans. One in Vlach Herzegovina clan I studied. Another in Bulgaria, another in Greece, and another in Romania. So I always maintained this clade was local and not Celtic. Now as I predicted it is Urnfield, and Illyrian related significantly. As predicted by me and some people from poreklo, Urnfield Illyrians had lots of R-L2. R-Y4355 is found in Herzegovina Vlach tribes of Ugarci and Zotovići, mentioned in 14th century. The latter have Albanian etymology, though I haven't seen this clade in Albania, there is one anonymous sample from Montenegro also belonging to it so they at least might have been based there in earlier times.


Also I-P78 from Bosnia. Not sure about its age, could be BA or Eneolithic even.


I-P78 today has multiple (mostly West) Balkan lineages, and one P78 was found in Daunians, though not sure it if was confirmed 100 %, I just found one mutation under P78 as +. It was always obvious that M223 under L701 is not Germanic related.
 
enter_tain said:
Lol, another troll trying to wipe R1b under the rug. R1b was the most common Y-DNA in these studies

R1b/J2b were the pillars of both Illyrians/Albanians.
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R1b-L2 or 51+ lineages which Riverman meant and I addressed are insignificant/ non existent in modern Albanians you genius. And they don't represent the Illyrian core.
 
I saw these affiliations coming hence why I made that comment yesterday. We also have a nice example in Novo Mesto EIA Slovenia. Did the J2b-L283 and R1b-L2 in that area have the same auDNA? Nope. Not at all.
 
The L51 in Cinamak may actually be a Urnfielder remnant. He is there in the same site along with 3 L283 (one Y21878 from the same era, that was also found in Iron Age Iapygians too), 1 CTS9219 and 2 M269 (we will see what they are when BAMs are published).
 
mount123 said:
They don't even make up 1% of the parental lines of modern Albanians. Sure every haplogroup on this earth is Albanian in origin. AlBaNiAnS ar PeLaSgIaNs
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What a lame attempt to try straw manning me because I exposed you :LOL::LOL::LOL:

I didn't say they were Albanian in origin. Simply that they existed in them. It doesn't matter what the %. What matters if they exist or not.
 
enter_tain said:
The only place with >1 sample of EV-13 is Kapitan-whatever in Bulgaria. This seems to be in Eastern Bulgaria too close to Greece/Turkey. It could just be that they're all related since they're from the same spot. But I wouldn't be surprised if a number of these were spread with Roman Imperial admixture. I wouldn't say all because Croatia/Macedonia had 1 each early on, so clearly this was pan-Balkan, just small in admixture.

But even in Greeks EV-13 was non-existent until recently. We're talking Medieval/Ottoman times here. It clearly experienced a founder effect, the highest of which was northeastern Albanian parts. That other study showed the same thing.
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I just went through the Albanian data, geography is key. Korca region is Albanian with strong Slavic and some Greek mixture. It entered the Albanian sphere in the late 1300s. Kukes region where lots of these samples are from(the sample site super close to the Kosovo border) did not become an Albanian area until the 1600-1700s period. It was Slavic before and today it is dominated by R1b clans and J2b clans.
All these "medieval" and post-medievial R1b and J2b are from a region that today is R1b and J2b (Kukes). There is even one I2 sample, which is probably assimilated Slav, this region once had strong Slavic presence, still does on the Shar mountains(google Gorani). One of the female samples even clusters with Macedonians.

In Korca we have one J2a(assimilated Greek) and one R1b, Korca is one of the regions with least E-V13 in Albania. Same applies to Kukes, where J2b and R1b are the top lineages.

The only Ottoman sample in central Albania which is R1b has Vlach autosomal DNA, and clusters with Bulgarians and Romanians.

Geography and context matters, don't expect an honest approach from that individual. Mentally un-European, vulgar manners, low IQ.
 
enter_tain said:
So where is it? EV-13 literally shows up in 1 site in Eastern Bulgaria in 800 BC, and they're all probably cousins or some shit.

Everywhere else, even in recent times, it almost non-existent: Albania, Greece, Serbia, Romania.

It's like people don't want to admit founder effects exist.... J2B2 itself was also clearly a founder effect, just way back in the past.
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It is not about the where, but who. And this is about the Thracian language group. Once we get Basarabi and Babadag sampled, you will see.

Also, what Serbian and Romanian samples are you talking about? Which of these samples are relevant? Time, culture, place? Its not about countries. Modern countries oftentimes regions which were not always united. Take Romania for example, it didn't exist in its current borders before 1918, not even close. Or Serbia: Serbia can be divided in different regions which being also united rather recently.

This is the Channelled Ware zone without its fringes:
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How many relevant samples do we got from the Iron Age? None, but those from Psenichevo, which came from Danubian Fluted Ware.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
I just went through the Albanian data, geography is key. Korca region is Albanian with strong Slavic and some Greek mixture. It entered the Albanian sphere in the late 1300s. Kukes region where lots of these samples are from(the sample site super close to the Kosovo border) did not become an Albanian area until the 1600-1700s period. It was Slavic before and today it is dominated by R1b clans and J2b clans.
All these "medieval" and post-medievial R1b and J2b are from a region that today is R1b and J2b (Kukes). There is even one I2 sample, which is probably assimilated Slav, this region once had strong Slavic presence, still does on the Shar mountains(google Gorani). One of the female samples even clusters with Macedonians.

In Korca we have one J2a(assimilated Greek) and one R1b, Korca is one of the regions with least E-V13 in Albania. Same applies to Kukes, where J2b and R1b are the top lineages.

The only Ottoman sample in central Albania which is R1b has Vlach autosomal DNA, and clusters with Bulgarians and Romanians.

Geography and context matters, don't expect an honest approach from that individual. Mentally un-European, vulgar manners, low IQ.
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Vulgar manners is a polite way to put it. Considering his way of addressing people.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
Kukes region where lots of these samples are from(the sample site super close to the Kosovo border) did not become an Albanian area until the 1600-1700s period. It was Slavic before and today
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Mount/Hawk. This is who you're defending. Keep at it with your disgusting garbage.
 
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"Steppe pastoralists of the Yamnaya culture initiated a chain of migrations linking Europe in the west to China and India in theEast. Some people across the Balkans (about 5000 to 4500 years ago) traced almost all their genes to this expansion. Steppe migrants soon admixed with locals, creating a tapestry of diverse ancestry from which speakers of the Greek, Paleo-Balkan, and Albanian languages arose.

The present study adds further support to the theory by the discovery of ubiquitous ancestry from the steppe in the Bronze Age Balkans [where, indubitably, Indo-European Paleo-Balkan languages such as Thracian and Illyrian (41) were spoken, including individuals of predominantly steppe ancestry; by documenting the ubiquity of steppe ancestry inBronze and Iron Age Armenia where Armenians first attested and links between Armenia, the steppe, and the Balkans; and by the fur-ther documentation of steppe ancestry in the Aegean (6) during the Mycenaean period when the Greek language is first attested, albeit at lower levels. All ancient and present-day branches of the Indo-European language family can be derived or at least linked to the early Bronze Age Yamnaya pastoralists of the steppe or genetically similar populations."
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Its really astounding how many birds one can kill with one stone. Some abstract thinking required to connect the dots.
As for the amoebas pretending Kukes area is not core Albanian/Illyrian territory after archeological, genetic (both unipaternal and autosomal) links, I suggest seeking medical help (although fine by me if you suffer out of spite).
 
Archetype0ne said:
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Its really astounding how many birds one can kill with one stone. Some abstract thinking required to connect the dots.
As for the amoebas pretending Kukes area is not core Albanian/Illyrian territory after archeological, genetic (both unipaternal and autosomal) links, I suggest seeking medical help (although fine by me if you suffer out of spite).
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Nah. Korce is full of gypsies, while Kukes was Slavic 300 years ago.
 
Interesting comment. Earliest IE into Albania was almost pure M269/Yamnaya.

"EHG ancestry becomes ubiquitous after this time and reaches up to 35±3% in an outlierindividual (I14689) from Çinamak; such high levels of EHG ancestry are of course not unheardof in mainland Europe as they were found in individuals of the Corded Ware culture(8). Thisindividual, the earliest known one with EHG ancestry from the western Balkans dates to thesame period (2831-2480 calBCE)."

I14689-2555ALB_Çinamak_EBAÇinamak (Norteastern, Kukes District)Albania42,02055620,38861148,90%R-M269H102

I don't get how they group Albanian and Greek together linguistically after this. Earliest Albanian intrusion were clearly different people.

And as for Corded Ware, Albanian clearly has some early CW-related Y-DNA. It might have been an early offshoot, but we don't know when.
 
The paper's authors outright state Albanians are descended from Illyrians, but this autosomal argument ignores the Roman Imperial/Slavic migrations which definitely made more than a dent.

"Other than these outliers, the population of Albania from the Middle Bronze Age to thepost-medieval period appears to be largely made up of the same components in similarproportions: Anatolian Neolithic (~1/2), CHG (~1/5-1/4), and EHG (~10-15%) ancestry"

Illyrians clearly a MBA people coinciding with the J2B2 arrival.
 
Posted by Lukas at the main thread
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/42786-The-genetic-history-of-the-Southern-Arc-Lazaridis-et-al


My comment in bold

Distance to: ALB_cinamak_EBA_I14689 (R1b M-269, Kukes region 2700-2500 BC, fresh from the Steppe/Caucacus)
2.26200081 Abazin
2.27705781 Nogai_Dagestan
2.42679020 Kumyk
2.50643175 Cirkassian
2.50839349 Kabardin
2.54580501 Tabassaran
2.57755846 Avar
2.58018007 Kaitag
2.59597530 Lezgin
2.69214487 Tsakhur

istance: 9.7024% / 9.70240521
Target: ALB_cinamak_EBA_I14689 | ADC: 0.5x
51.0 Darginian
19.0 Central_Dutch
16.1 Romanian_NE
8.3 SV_Norrland
5.6 Tatar_Kazan

============

Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_1d.rel.I16256_I17633 (J2b, 700-400 BC, sample from border region of Dardania and Illyria, autosmally Illyrian-Dardanian hybrid)
2.17016013 Albanian_Kosovo
2.17512344 IT_Ladinia
2.18195216 Albanians_Montenegro
2.18261172 IT_Veneto
2.20123659 IT_Trentino
2.20877324 IT_Piedmont
2.24590834 Moldova_sud
2.24797207 Albanian_north
2.26309665 IT_Friuli
2.28406401 Tirol

Distance: 18.3236% / 18.32362348
Target: ALB_cinamak_Anc_1d.rel.I16256_I17633 | ADC: 0.5x
47.8 Albanian_Kosovo
40.0 FR_Champagne-Ardenne
4.6 Moldova_sud
3.9 IT_central_Sardinian
3.7 FR_Centre_Val_De_Loire

===========

Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16256 (female, 700-400 BC, sample from border region of Dardania and Illyria, autosmally Illyrian)
1.35065785 IT_Piedmont
1.47114573 Swiss_Italian
1.47625029 FR_Provence
1.50716352 IT_Liguria
1.57557768 IT_Trentino
1.59031888 IT_Veneto
1.60573235 Portugal_Norte
1.60716780 FR_Corsica
1.60982792 IT_Lombardia
1.63388049 IT_Friuli

Distance: 10.7956% / 10.79557947
Target: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16256 | ADC: 0.5x
68.2 IT_Piedmont
10.4 IT_northern_Sardinian
10.0 Swiss_Italian
5.1 North_Osettian
4.8 ES_Extremadura
1.5 Chechen

==========


Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16254 (J2b, 600-400 BC, sample from border region of Dardania and Illyria, autosmally Illyrian-Dardanian hybrid)
1.38996490 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.40692595 IT_Toscania
1.45480085 IT_Marche
1.47499639 IT_Lazio
1.48542944 Albanian_south
1.49398528 Albanian_north
1.51249405 IT_Molise
1.51453737 FR_Corsica
1.53371901 Albanian_Kosovo
1.54069327 GR_Ipeiros

Distance: 12.2972% / 12.29719815
Target: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16254 | ADC: 0.5x
38.3 IT_Emilia-Romagna
27.4 Albanian_south
15.2 GR_Patmos
8.6 IT_southern_Sardinian
5.2 Portugal_Lisboa
5.1 IT_Toscania
0.2 Albanian_Kosovo

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Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16253 (J2b, 600-400 BC, sample from border region of Dardania and Illyria, autosmally Illyrian-Dardanian hybrid)
1.57707919 IT_Lombardia
1.60222133 IT_Toscania
1.69901036 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.70666551 Albanians_FYROM
1.79720556 Albanian_south
1.82056761 Albanian_north
1.84134941 IT_Trentino
1.86122534 GR_Ipeiros
1.86669777 FR_Corsica
1.87879243 Albanian_Kosovo

Distance: 14.6118% / 14.61182005
Target: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16253 | ADC: 0.5x
62.2 IT_Lombardia
37.8 Albanians_FYROM

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Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16251 (R1b M269, 500-50 BC, sample from border region of Dardania and Illyria, autosmally Dardanian)
1.07484410 Albanians_Montenegro
1.07831303 Albanian_Kosovo
1.14188940 Albanian_north
1.14271966 GR_Thesalloniki
1.17530993 Albanian_south
1.20025960 IT_Friuli
1.22644462 GR_Thrace
1.24474885 IT_Marche
1.26894943 GR_Central
1.27190658 GR_Macedonia

Distance: 7.8143% / 7.81432465
Target: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16251 | ADC: 0.5x
32.0 Albanian_Kosovo
20.6 GR_Thesalloniki
13.5 FR_Centre_Val_De_Loire
10.4 Albanian_south
9.8 GR_Andros
4.8 ES_Extremadura
4.1 IT_Ladinia
3.4 ES_Islas_Baleares
1.4 GEO_Svaneti

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Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I14692 (female, 1500-400 BC, sample from border region of Dardania and Illyria, autosmally Illyrian with some outside mixture)
1.29229025 IT_Toscania
1.29838966 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.33822026 IT_Liguria
1.43573303 IT_Lombardia
1.45826258 GR_Ipeiros
1.50588238 FR_Corsica
1.51392313 Swiss_Italian
1.52106062 IT_Trentino
1.53061001 Albanian_Kosovo
1.54144663 IT_Marche

Distance: 11.3550% / 11.35501530
Target: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I14692 | ADC: 0.5x
32.3 GR_Ipeiros
27.6 IT_Toscania
24.9 IT_Liguria
13.2 Swiss_Italian
2.0 Chechen

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Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I14690 (R1b R-CTS1450, 1700-400 BC, sample from border region of Dardania and Illyria, autosmally Illyrian)
1.20289931 Swiss_Italian
1.27128530 IT_Trentino
1.28546578 IT_Lombardia
1.29604542 IT_Veneto
1.37998080 FR_Provence
1.38186339 IT_Piedmont
1.38970136 IT_Liguria
1.44715073 IT_Toscania
1.45457455 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.46614123 IT_Friuli

Distance: 10.1977% / 10.19773417
Target: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I14690 | ADC: 0.5x
70.2 Swiss_Italian
17.3 IT_Lombardia
5.4 South_Ossetian
4.3 GR_Ipeiros
1.7 FR_Provence
1.1 Croatia_Istria

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Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I14688 (R1b R-L51, 600-400 BC, sample from border region of Dardania and Illyria, autosmally Illyrian)
1.14777214 IT_Toscania
1.15938423 IT_Lombardia
1.18116190 FR_Corsica
1.21924639 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.33459547 IT_Liguria
1.42375827 IT_Marche
1.43577115 IT_Lazio
1.44631160 IT_Molise
1.45977674 IT_Umbria
1.50847109 Albanian_south

Distance: 10.5721% / 10.57208155
Target: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I14688 | ADC: 0.5x
59.5 IT_Lombardia
16.0 IT_Molise
13.1 FR_Corsica
11.4 GR_Ipeiros

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Distance to: ALB_PostMdv_I15707 (J2b, 1470-1630 AD, sample fromnear the Kosovo border, autosomally suprisingly more Illyrian like than Albanian, Komani culture late survivor? Also no current direct relatives detected)
1.29778409 IT_Toscania
1.32981445 IT_Lazio
1.33616391 IT_Lombardia
1.34786390 IT_Marche
1.39457615 Albanian_south
1.40270779 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.41089991 FR_Corsica
1.43074119 Albanians_FYROM
1.45119799 Albanian_north
1.48041752 IT_Umbria

Distance: 11.3610% / 11.36098463
Target: ALB_PostMdv_I15707 | ADC: 0.5x
42.5 IT_Lombardia
28.8 IT_Lazio
28.0 Albanians_FYROM
0.5 Sephardi_Portugal_Belmonte
0.2 IT_central_Sardinian

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Distance to: ALB_PostMdv_I15706 (R1b R-Y81700, 1530-1660 AD, sample from central Albania near Elbasan(Ottoman stronghold), autosmally Balkan Turkic, most likely Turkic mercenery in Osman service, no known direct relatives)
0.79704159 Gagauz
0.88362439 Bulgaria_SC
0.91370339 Romanian_South
0.93444927 GR_Macedonia
0.94278588 Macedonian_west
0.94472077 Bulgaria_SE
0.94713893 Bulgaria_SW
0.94857752 Macedonia_SW
0.96045666 Pomak
0.96573428 Bulgaria_NW

Distance: 6.7971% / 6.79713164
Target: ALB_PostMdv_I15706 | ADC: 0.5x
66.5 Gagauz
17.9 Moldova_sud
9.0 GR_Patmos
5.4 Moroccan_Jew
1.2 TUN_Gabes

============

Distance to: ALB_PostMdv_I14687 (R1b R-CTS1450, 1400-1700 AD, sample from near the Kosovo border, autosomally modern Albanian, no direct relatives detected)
1.03541529 Albanian_south
1.14551581 IT_Toscania
1.18291595 IT_Lazio
1.19317109 IT_Molise
1.20222201 GR_Ipeiros
1.22003340 IT_Marche
1.22953317 Albanian_north
1.23141388 IT_Umbria
1.23266807 Albanians_FYROM
1.27382789 IT_Emilia-Romagna

Distance: 9.2973% / 9.29726896
Target: ALB_PostMdv_I14687 | ADC: 0.5x
58.0 Albanian_south
32.4 IT_Toscania
9.6 IT_Molise

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Distance to: ALB_PostMdv_I14686 (I2 I-Y4884, 1400-1700 AD, sample from near the Kosovo border, autosomally modern Albanian, no direct relatives detected)
1.06619957 GR_Thesalloniki
1.08271908 Albanian_north
1.15032501 Albanian_south
1.16063453 GR_Thessaly
1.16986852 Albanians_FYROM
1.19241562 Albanian_Kosovo
1.23018497 GR_Central
1.23651698 Albanians_Montenegro
1.24385280 GR_Thrace
1.26497269 GR_Peloponese

Distance: 10.1111% / 10.11113530
Target: ALB_PostMdv_I14686 | ADC: 0.5x
48.5 GR_Thesalloniki
37.6 Albanian_north
8.5 IT_Apulia
3.4 GR_Andros
1.4 ES_Extremadura
0.6 Basques_ES_Gipuzkoa_central

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Distance to: ALB_PostMdv_I14685 (female, 1400-1700 AD, sample from near the Kosovo border, autosomally Macedonian Slav, probably Gorani wife, no direct relatives detected)
1.17281512 Macedonia_SW
1.26576694 Macedonia_SC
1.26893250 Macedonian_west
1.29131852 GR_Thessaly
1.29190277 Macedonia_east
1.29492453 GR_Macedonia
1.33530006 Bulgarian_NC
1.35858841 GR_Peloponese
1.36074586 Macedonia_Skopje
1.36181671 GR_Western

Distance: 11.2552% / 11.25521988
Target: ALB_PostMdv_I14685 | ADC: 0.5x
85.0 Macedonia_SW
8.3 Croatia_Central
3.6 GR_Karpathos
3.1 Belarus_Ashkenazy

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Distance to: ALB_NChL_I13840 (G2a Neolithic sample)
2.36044759 IT_Lazio
2.45484954 IT_Molise
2.46190772 IT_southern_Sardinian
2.49773129 IT_Calabria
2.50291508 GR_Ikaria
2.51048081 Sicily_Siracuse
2.51932511 GR_Symi
2.52465510 Malta
2.53487451 IT_Umbria
2.53648649 IT_Marche

Distance: 16.9889% / 16.98886636
Target: ALB_NChL_I13840 | ADC: 0.5x
51.2 GR_Symi
30.9 IT_central_Sardinian
17.9 IT_southern_Sardinian

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Distance to: ALB_NChL_I13838 (G2a Neolithic sample)
5.38871515 Lebanon_Maronite
5.67982993 Lebanon_Orthodox_Christian
6.40439350 IQ_Chaldean
6.42366152 Cyprus_Greek
6.42837398 Iraqi_Jew
6.45723300 Hatay_Nusayri
6.48964768 IQ_Kirkuk
6.54751529 Samaritan
6.56989276 Mountain_Jew
6.57114168 Lebanon_Sunni

Distance: 53.8872% / 53.88715153
Target: ALB_NChL_I13838 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 Lebanon_Maronite

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Distance to: ALB_N_I15705 (female, Neolithic sample)
2.07472049 IT_southern_Sardinian
2.13105442 IT_central_Sardinian
2.63400968 IT_northern_Sardinian
2.93819461 FR_Corsica
2.93970307 IT_Lazio
3.04219530 IT_Molise
3.05632403 Sicily_Siracuse
3.06648789 Malta
3.07169191 IT_Marche
3.09940996 IT_Emilia-Romagna

Distance: 17.6417% / 17.64174344
Target: ALB_N_I15705 | ADC: 0.5x
73.5 IT_central_Sardinian
25.6 GR_Karpathos
0.9 GR_Symi

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Distance to: ALB_Mdv_I14622 (T1a, 770-890 AD, sample from near the Kosovo border, autosomally Greek, probably Byzantine adminisrator, no direct relatives detected)
1.23862254 GR_Thrace
1.26568932 GR_Central
1.28468269 Albanian_north
1.31216272 Albanian_Kosovo
1.32695502 Albanian_south
1.35131418 GR_Laconia
1.36399090 GR_Peloponese
1.36931206 GR_Thesalloniki
1.37486876 GR_Thessaly
1.39639644 GR_Macedonia

Distance: 10.9529% / 10.95294777
Target: ALB_Mdv_I14622 | ADC: 0.5x
51.6 GR_Central
22.0 GR_Thrace
13.8 Albanian_Kosovo
8.9 ES_Extremadura
3.7 Sephardi_Portugal_Belmonte

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Distance to: ALB_Mdv_I13839 (female, 770-890 AD, sample from near the Greek border(Kolonje), pre-Albanian sample, autosomally south Italian, no direct relatives detected)
1.11764272 IT_Lazio
1.18877647 IT_Apulia
1.20044110 IT_Abruzzo
1.20161693 IT_Molise
1.20203454 Albanian_south
1.21699390 GR_Andros
1.21968742 IT_Marche
1.28713693 Sicily_Siracuse
1.28884633 Sicily_Trapani
1.29329335 Sicily_Ragusa


Distance: 10.0784% / 10.07839477
Target: ALB_Mdv_I13839 | ADC: 0.5x
53.7 IT_Lazio
30.7 GR_Andros
15.6 Albanians_FYROM

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Distance to: ALB_Mdv_I13834 (R1b R-PF7563, 1400-1430 AD, sample from Korca plain, autosomally closer to Illyrians based on north Italian matches, have Albanians shifted toward Anatolian during Ottoman occupation? no direct relatives detected)
1.48192803 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.50475892 IT_Toscania
1.52070396 IT_Lombardia
1.55734509 IT_Veneto
1.58723688 IT_Umbria
1.59210576 GR_Ipeiros
1.60435314 Albanian_Kosovo
1.60569904 Albanian_north
1.62466882 Albanians_FYROM
1.63697564 IT_Trentino

Distance: 11.6948% / 11.69479243
Target: ALB_Mdv_I13834 | ADC: 0.5x
61.8 IT_Lombardia
29.8 GR_Ipeiros
8.1 Kubachinian
0.3 Albanians_FYROM

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Distance to: ALB_MBA_I8471 (J2b, 1900-1700 BC, sample from Shkodra region, autosmally Illyrian)
2.24073782 IT_Ladinia
2.34337783 IT_Veneto
2.37900192 FR_Provence
2.37954038 GR_Thrace
2.40525162 GR_Laconia
2.41020644 IT_Marche
2.41718179 FR_Swiss
2.42650464 IT_Friuli
2.43353078 IT_Piedmont
2.43804107 IT_Aosta


Distance: 18.7529% / 18.75286629
Target: ALB_MBA_I8471 | ADC: 0.5x
26.3 GR_Kythira
24.4 Sephardi_Portugal_Belmonte
23.6 Austria_Salzburg
21.1 FR_Champagne-Ardenne
4.6 Ukraine_Bukovina

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Distance to: ALB_Barc_PostMdv_daughter.or.mother.I13835_I13837 (females, 1500-1800 AD, sample from Korca region, autosmally gypsies and Oriental, Ottoman colonists, have decentes with Barc family)
1.15855566 Balkan_Roma
1.55376000 Iberian_Roma
2.50826733 TR_Istanbul
2.52387817 IQ_Kirkuk
2.56616110 TR_North-West
2.62552531 Ashkenazy_average
2.62964985 TR_South-West
2.63317909 Romanian_Jew
2.63330097 TR_Central_West
2.63701612 Crimean_Tatar_Coast

Distance: 10.0018% / 10.00182878
Target: ALB_Barc_PostMdv_daughter.or.mother.I13835_I13837 | ADC: 0.5x
81.4 Balkan_Roma
8.3 Iberian_Roma
5.9 Lebanon_Orthodox_Christian
3.6 Armenian_Yerevan
0.8 Azeri_NE

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Distance to: ALB_Barc_PostMdv_I13836 (females, 1450-1620 AD, sample from Korca region, autosmally gypsies and Oriental, Ottoman colonists, no descendants detected)
0.96202506 Balkan_Roma
1.40125850 Iberian_Roma
2.50262796 Ashkenazy_average
2.50833650 TR_Istanbul
2.51907285 IQ_Kirkuk
2.56505943 Latvia_Ashkenazy
2.57037165 Romanian_Jew
2.58782438 Cyprus_Turk
2.64752715 Pomak
2.65405015 TR_North-West


Distance: 7.7955% / 7.79552012
Target: ALB_Barc_PostMdv_I13836 | ADC: 0.5x
86.0 Balkan_Roma
13.6 Cyprus_Turk
0.4 GR_Patmos

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Distance to: ALB_Barc_PostMdv_I13835 (female, 1500-1800 AD, sample from Korca region, autosmally gypsies and Oriental, Ottoman colonists, have descendants with Barc family)
1.26872294 Balkan_Roma
1.41883016 Iberian_Roma
2.67691819 TR_Istanbul
2.74377532 Pomak
2.74558154 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
2.74585294 Gagauz
2.75457706 TR_North-West
2.78651744 NW_Bulgaria_Turks
2.80904722 GR_Macedonia
2.81516891 Greek_Azov


Distance: 10.7588% / 10.75877294
Target: ALB_Barc_PostMdv_I13835 | ADC: 0.5x
62.2 Balkan_Roma
31.9 Iberian_Roma
5.4 GEO_Tuskheti
0.5 Gond

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Distance to: ALB_Barc_PostMdv_I13833 (J2a, 1450-1800 AD, sample from Korca region, autosmally gypsies and Oriental, Ottoman colonists, no relatives detected)
1.62932713 Balkan_Roma
1.93135717 Iberian_Roma
2.77806401 Mumbai_Jew
2.78342595 TR_Istanbul
2.80626298 TR_North-West
2.89192883 Turkmen
2.92362053 TR_Central_West
2.92873095 Greek_Azov
2.92893401 TR_South-West
2.94370362 Crimean_Tatar_Coast

ALB_Barc_PostMdv are Gypsy ofc

Distance: 12.6546% / 12.65459909
Target: ALB_Barc_PostMdv_I13833 | ADC: 0.5x
79.0 Balkan_Roma
11.8 Chechen
5.3 Iberian_Roma
3.9 Marathi
 
Archetype0ne said:
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Its really astounding how many birds one can kill with one stone. Some abstract thinking required to connect the dots.
As for the amoebas pretending Kukes area is not core Albanian/Illyrian territory after archeological, genetic (both unipaternal and autosomal) links, I suggest seeking medical help (although fine by me if you suffer out of spite).
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There is no R1b in Montenegro, keep it up with those mental gymnastics. Muh core Illyrian.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
There is no R1b in Montenegro, keep it up with those mental gymnastics. Muh core Illyrian.
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Wth are you going on about? All the Illyrian Montenegro samples are from 1 location. There is plenty of R1b in Croatia. Only difference between Croatia/Albania is different % frequencies in the clades of R1b/J2B2.

(Albanians have more basal clades of R1b, while Croatians have more basal clades of J2B2).
 
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