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You get the same stuff from the Ukrainian army, in the last 8 years, and now even more so. Nothing is different, just two power groups (Selenski regime, Ukrainian nationalists, US-UK agents and regimes vs. Putin regime, Russian nationalists, Russian separatists). The Ukrainians however were provocative, didn't respect any agreement with Russia and tried to solve the Donbas question with brute force themselves. Again, a diplomatic compromise would have been easy and respect the legimate claims of both sides. The Ukrainians refused, the Russians didn't accept the Ukrainian attack on Russian strategic interests and ethnic minority.
Like you said, every war is dirty, and if the West would present the Ukrainian atrocities and crimes with the same spin and directness as the Russian ones, people would call for bombing Kiev. Its all a spin, its all manipulated, both sides do cruel things, and from what I got so far, the Ukrainian side started it, largely, because the Ukrainian nationalists really hate Russians and wanted to provoke the Russian side to commit the kind of crimes you see now, to have something to blame them for internationally. Its like a dirty talk of a couple, and one side being muted, you always hear just one side smearing the others. That's the Western media.
If you think that's fair and objective, or gives you or anybody else a fair picture of what really happens in Russia, you are delusional.
Its both sides, really. Don't make up a "good guys vs bad guys story", because it's a lie in this case. Sure, the Russians shouldn't have started the invasion, but the Ukrainians shouldn't have treated its own pro-Russian population and the separatists as they did, nor completely ignoring all Russian demands and calls for negotiations. Again both sides. You can pick a starting point for any of these escalations, and you will see it was first this side, then the other, and again and again and again. They are a in a vicious cycle, for years now, largely because of the US interference in the region, and need to get out of it diplomatically, or the conflict will last for years or even escalate to a 3rd World War.
That's the most basic truth about it.
You again completely underestimate what (creation) of a totalitarian society has consequences in disrespect for human dignity. You makes thinks equal where they are not. Democratic societies don't equal autocratic/ totalitarian ones.
Complete nonsens, they are bulldozing until they get what they want.....Russian demands and calls for negotiations
is that you are unable to see the ugly totalitarian side of Putin in the face!The most basic truth