Pax Augusta
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But I would expect the less Slavic, the more West Asian.
Why? I don't get the problem.
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But I would expect the less Slavic, the more West Asian.
So than its:
Spain
Portugal
Northern Italy
Sardinia
Bulgaria
Tuscany
Central Italy
Thessalians
Albania
Central greece
Ashkenazi
South Italians/West Sicily
Crete / Sparta
East Sicily/Sephardi Jews
Cyprus/Anatolian Greeks
You beat me to it. The Sardinians don't really cluster with anyone.I'm not sure what this is supposed to be about, exactly. Sardinians in particular are a highly drifted and genetically 'special' population.
You beat me to it. The Sardinians don't really cluster with anyone.
Now, don't be coy. Which group and why?don't be so sure,
I am expecting a group from Greece to be next to them,
Actually the right cataloging of the samples judging by the spreadsheet is the following:So than its:
Spain
Portugal
Northern Italy
Sardinia
Bulgaria
Tuscany
Central Italy
Thessalians
Albania
Central greece
Ashkenazi
South Italians/West Sicily
Crete / Sparta
East Sicily/Sephardi Jews
Cyprus/Anatolian Greeks
The influence of Tosk Albanians in South Balcan during the history, i mean at least in the last millenium, is enormus. From Shkumbin river to the greek islands was Toskëri.
we are not disagreeing for anything. We are contributing in clarifying the topic of Greek autosomal large discrepancies among regions of Greece, and suggesting that the reason behind this is because if Greek genetics is taken into account, Greece is not a country. Greece is actually a collection of Balkan populations, an accidental creation of Big Powers of 19 century. So there is no point of talking about Greek genetics. And there is not room for subjectivity for what I am saying. Everything is documented from Greeks themselves.
I will give everyone an hour to copy their off-topic material to the Balkanian disagreements thread. After that it's all deleted.
Greek Thessalians are somewhat closer to Tuscans (the Tuscan dot is based on southern Tuscans though), but not the rest of Greek mainlanders.
My bad, was typing.
Not sure what Albanian national mythology has to do with this thread.
There are two Albanian users who do this to every Balkan-related thread. It will just keep happening, you know.
yes there will be regional variations but they will cluster amongst them anyhow.So the question of the thread are central and peloponnesean greeks clustered with cretan and aegean greeks? is a pointless question ofcourse they do! As for the sardinian part what i meant is that mani is like the sardinians in the sense that they are a case of isolated population like the reggio calabria greeks of bova that differs from their neighbours because of the isolation.In fact if you see the paper on peloponnese you will see in the suplementary information that they share the lowest percentage of dna with the italians amongst all peloponnesean populations and not the highest like the rest of the laconians.I just meant Sparta as in Southern mainland Greece, or Laconia. I pretty much base what I know on GEDmatch results, and it seems that as someone who charts as 75% Ashkenazim, and 25% Swedish most of the time, I consistently cluster in Southern mainland Greece and Abruzzo, Italy. I than get Sicilian, Jewish, Turkish, and than Northern Italy and Spain. Sometimes I end with Cyprus. My point is, that its not hard to see what groups go with what if we are only concerned with similarities in admixture.
As far as Sardinia, I'm not sure what you mean, but they might group with Baskids somehow, I'm not sure.
Now, Im sure most Greeks have direct ancestry in common, but of course there will be regional variations. Some Greeks with have much more in common with Bulgarians, while others will have more in common with Cyprus and whatever groups are close to them.
Project | Calculator | Population | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K11 Modern | Greek_Neolithic | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K16 Modern | Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K16 Modern | Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K16 Modern | Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K16 Modern | Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K16 Modern | Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K16 Modern | Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K16 Modern | Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Azov_Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Central_Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Athens | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Islands | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Macedonia | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Northwest | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Peloponnesos | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Phokaia | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Smyrna | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Thessaloniki | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP K23b | Greek_Thessaly | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World | Greek_Azov | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World | Greek_Center | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World | Greek_North | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World | Greek_East | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World | Greek_Cretan | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World | Greek_South | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World-22 | Greek_Azov | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World-22 | Greek_Center | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World-22 | Greek_Cretan | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World-22 | Greek_East | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World-22 | Greek_North | |||
MDLP Project | MDLP World-22 | Greek_South | |||
Eurogenes | Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 | Central_Greek | |||
Eurogenes | Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 | Greek | |||
Eurogenes | Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 | Greek_Thessaly | |||
Eurogenes | Eurogenes K13 | Central_Greek | |||
Eurogenes | Eurogenes K13 | Greek_Thessaly | |||
Dodecad | Dodecad K12b | Greek | |||
Dodecad | Dodecad K7b | Greek | |||
Dodecad | Dodecad V3 | Greek | |||
Dodecad | World9 | Greek | |||
puntDNAL | puntDNAL K10 Ancient | Greek | |||
puntDNAL | puntDNAL K12 Modern | Greek | |||
puntDNAL | puntDNAL K13 Global | Greek_Central | |||
puntDNAL | puntDNAL K13 Global | Greek_Thessaly | |||
puntDNAL | puntDNAL K15 | Greek_Thessaly | |||
puntDNAL | puntDNAL K15 | Greek_Central | |||
GedrosiaDNA | Ancient Eurasia K6 | Greek | |||
GedrosiaDNA | Eurasia K9 ASI | Greek | |||
GedrosiaDNA | Gedrosia K12 | Greek | |||
GedrosiaDNA | Gedrosia K3 | Greek | |||
GedrosiaDNA | Near East Neolithic K13 | Greek |
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