Politics Will Russia Attack Ukraine?

Vallicanus said:
How do you know?

Do you get your fake news from Russian news media, sorry, propaganda media.

The Kremlin has a long history of lies.
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The Russian side has camera teams in Mariupol, other international media being there as well. They filmed and made interviews. None of the locals was happy about the situation, some even described how relatives died and how dire their situation is or was. But its all because of the ongoing fights with the Ukrainian nationalists in the city. To describe it as a war against the civilian population is just fake propaganda. The Russians could care more, yes, and the war as such is horrible, but there is no need to invent a "genocidal" narrative, other than causing a propaganda war.
The Western media selectively report only the Ukrainian propaganda news, if the Russian side reports atrocities or films whitnesses, they being not even checked, let alone reported. Many of the "news" the Western media publish come direct from the CIA and the SBU. I listen to both sides and neutral reports from e.g. Indian news agencies. That's all.
 
Riverman said:
The Russian side has camera teams in Mariupol, other international media being there as well. They filmed and made interviews. None of the locals was happy about the situation, some even described how relatives died and how dire their situation is or was. But its all because of the ongoing fights with the Ukrainian nationalists in the city. To describe it as a war against the civilian population is just fake propaganda. The Russians could care more, yes, and the war as such is horrible, but there is no need to invent a "genocidal" narrative, other than causing a propaganda war.
The Western media selectively report only the Ukrainian propaganda news, if the Russian side reports atrocities or films whitnesses, they being not even checked, let alone reported. Many of the "news" the Western media publish come direct from the CIA and the SBU. I listen to both sides and neutral reports from e.g. Indian news agencies. That's all.
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More fake news from the Kremlin.

Shall I buy you a ticket so you can live in Russia?:LOL:
 
Riverman said:
The Russian side has camera teams in Mariupol, other international media being there as well. They filmed and made interviews. None of the locals was happy about the situation, some even described how relatives died and how dire their situation is or was. But its all because of the ongoing fights with the Ukrainian nationalists in the city. To describe it as a war against the civilian population is just fake propaganda. The Russians could care more, yes, and the war as such is horrible, but there is no need to invent a "genocidal" narrative, other than causing a propaganda war.
The Western media selectively report only the Ukrainian propaganda news, if the Russian side reports atrocities or films whitnesses, they being not even checked, let alone reported. Many of the "news" the Western media publish come direct from the CIA and the SBU. I listen to both sides and neutral reports from e.g. Indian news agencies. That's all.
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With bleeps when someone talks about "war"? And the spin is of course it's due to the Ukrainian nationalist....that's what they like to hear.Even a blanco paper on a square in a Russian city means arrest....and up to 15 years of prison. The Kremlin has control about the media... You underestimate totally the totalitarian factor.

'Objectivity' is obsolete when you can't see or qualify the difference between a totalitarian system like Putin's Russia now and the free media and world like in the most of Europe and US. That's why you've become an apologist for autocrats like Orban and Putin... too bad.
 
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Vallicanus said:
More fake news from the Kremlin.
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Just using censorship and labels to create fake narratives is so much easier, isn't it? Lucky that your narrative being supported by Big Money and Big Tech. Otherwise things would look very different.
 
Northener said:
With bleeps when someone talks about "war"? And the spin is of course it's due to the Ukrainian nationalist....that's what they like to hear.Even a blanco paper on a square in a Russian means arrest....and up to 15 years of prison.The Kremlin has control about the media... You underestimate totally the totalitarian factor.

'Objectivity' is obsolete when you can't see or qualify the difference between a totalitarian system like Putin's Russia now and the free media and world like in the most or Europe and US. That's why you've become an apologist for autocrats likes Orban and Putin... too bad.
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Riverman is a "useful idiot" for the Russian cause.:frown:
 
Riverman said:
Just using censorship and labels to create fake narratives is so much easier, isn't it? Lucky that your narrative being supported by Big Money and Big Tech. Otherwise things would look very different.
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Your sick narrative is being controlled by the Kremlin who won't even call the war in Ukraine a "war".
 
The Russians are world champions when it comes to censorship.
 
Vallicanus said:
Riverman is a "useful idiot" for the Russian cause.:frown:
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I don't support Putin. but calling other eupedia members idiots is totally unacceptable. Cut it out, because all of this righteous indignation crap doesn't suspend the rules.
 
Russia justifies genocide: state publication explains why Ukraine and Ukrainians must be destroyed

Russian state-owned propaganda outlet RIA published the new programmatic article with the title "What Russia must do with Ukraine". The article reveals a detailed plan for a genocide, starting from full elimination of Ukrainian state.
1) it calls almost every Ukrainian a Nazi who deserves death. "Nazis who took weapons, must be killed in numbers as much as possible... Not just the elites, the most of the people are guilty, they are passive Nazis, Nazi enablers. They supported these elites and must be punished".
2) It foresees tyrannic approach to culture. "Further denacification of the mass of the population is to be reached through ideological repression (oppression) of Nazi ideas and through harsh censorship: not only in politics, but in culture and education areas".
3) it foresees economic and political destruction of Ukraine: "Ukraine must pay for its guilt towards Russia. It must be treated as an enemy, and therefore may develop only in dependency to Russia. No "Marshall plan" may happen. No "neutrality" both ideological or practical".
4) A tyrannical future emerges: "Personnel providing denazification in new denazified republics (plural! - NB) cannot act on another way but only with direct military-police and management support from Russia. Denazification must be a Deukrainisation".
5) Ukraine is the enemy: "The history has proven: Ukraine may not exist as a national state. Any attempt to create it leads to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construct... De-banderisation is not enough... Denazification of Ukraine must be De-Europeazation of it".
6) Deliberate targeting of civilians: "The Bandera-elites must be liquidated, they cannot be re-educated. The social "swamp" who supported them must experience terror of war and learn the lesson, and pay for its guilt".
 
Jovialis said:
I don't support Putin. but calling other eupedia members idiots is totally unacceptable. Cut it out, because all of this righteous indignation crap doesn't suspend the rules.
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Here are some forum rules for all of you to read.

Mycernius said:
Please note that it is against forum rules to openly attack another member on Eupedia. You can call an arguement stupid, dumb or idiotic, but not the actual member making it. I know that in the heat of discussion and debate that you may well want to call the other an idiot, I have on many an occassion, but it is best to sit back, take a deep breath and start again. You can call people who are not members idiots, fools or whatever, but not the actual member.
Do not feed the trolls.
Thank you.
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FYI- Banned members are no longer members. T-rolls are ultimately banned, so you can call them idiots afterwards.
 
Northener said:
Denazification of Ukraine must be De-Europeazation of it".
6) Deliberate targeting of civilians: "The Bandera-elites must be liquidated, they cannot be re-educated. The social "swamp" who supported them must experience terror of war and learn the lesson, and pay for its guilt".
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I recently read Razib Khan commenting that Ukrainian DNA clusters with Poles rather than with Russians.
Basically, that is more European.
 
Unlike the unclear case, the Ukrainian side posted once more videos of tortured Russian POW - this time they being shot live on camera (region of Irpen), hands cuffed on the back. If the West doesn't begin to report the atrocities done by the Ukrainians and their mercenary forces, it just proves how skewed and manipulated the Western media is by now and that its a hypocritical scam.
 
Riverman said:
Unlike the unclear case, the Ukrainian side posted once more videos of tortured Russian POW - this time they being shot live on camera (region of Irpen), hands cuffed on the back. If the West doesn't begin to report the atrocities done by the Ukrainians and their mercenary forces, it just proves how skewed and manipulated the Western media is by now and that its a hypocritical scam.
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Which unclear case? Buscha is a clear case, there are satellite pictures of a few weeks ago. They confirm what we have seen on a video. The Kremlin spin that it were actors is fully BS.

This was the reaction of Zelenski of the torture of the Russian POW, The Guardian:

However, the government in Kyiv said they were taking the allegations of mistreatment “very seriously” and that there would be an immediate investigation.
Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said: “We are a European army, and we do not mock our prisoners. If this turns out to be real, this is absolutely unacceptable behaviour.”
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That's not condemnation as fake news like the Kremlin does.

I get the feeling that you are radicalizing Riverman....
 
Northener said:
This was the reaction of Zelenski of the torture of the Russian POW, The Guardian:

That's not condemnation as fake news like the Kremlin does.
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"We don't mock our prisoners." Oh yeah, so serious. That's blatant cynicism, inhuman yak!
To call that "mocking". Like shooting in the legs, the genitals, breaking all limbs, destroying faces, shooting people dead successively, not in a "one shot kill" is "mocking prisoners". He can afford to go that far, because he has the full support of the Western media anyway. There are even more "allegiations" concerning civilians in Eastern Ukrainian, ethnic Russian territories as well. The main difference might be, that they didn't filmed it proudly, and the Russian eye whitnesses and investigations being ignored. Imagine if the Ukrainians weren't arrogant and stupid enough to first film what they did, then all the reports would have been just called "Russian fake news propaganda". They will just watch that this stuff being no longer filmed and especially not published. That's all.

I any case, no side has any higher moral ground in this conflict, they are at least on par.

The only solution is to make peace, come to a diplomatic compromise and I said often enough which side is to blame for that.
 
Northener said:
Russia justifies genocide: state publication explains why Ukraine and Ukrainians must be destroyed

Russian state-owned propaganda outlet RIA published the new programmatic article with the title "What Russia must do with Ukraine". The article reveals a detailed plan for a genocide, starting from full elimination of Ukrainian state.
1) it calls almost every Ukrainian a Nazi who deserves death. "Nazis who took weapons, must be killed in numbers as much as possible... Not just the elites, the most of the people are guilty, they are passive Nazis, Nazi enablers. They supported these elites and must be punished".
2) It foresees tyrannic approach to culture. "Further denacification of the mass of the population is to be reached through ideological repression (oppression) of Nazi ideas and through harsh censorship: not only in politics, but in culture and education areas".
3) it foresees economic and political destruction of Ukraine: "Ukraine must pay for its guilt towards Russia. It must be treated as an enemy, and therefore may develop only in dependency to Russia. No "Marshall plan" may happen. No "neutrality" both ideological or practical".
4) A tyrannical future emerges: "Personnel providing denazification in new denazified republics (plural! - NB) cannot act on another way but only with direct military-police and management support from Russia. Denazification must be a Deukrainisation".
5) Ukraine is the enemy: "The history has proven: Ukraine may not exist as a national state. Any attempt to create it leads to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construct... De-banderisation is not enough... Denazification of Ukraine must be De-Europeazation of it".
6) Deliberate targeting of civilians: "The Bandera-elites must be liquidated, they cannot be re-educated. The social "swamp" who supported them must experience terror of war and learn the lesson, and pay for its guilt".
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https://twitter.com/nikorepi/status/1508922680044666887
 
bebicu said:
Vandalorum, Bai trollll mancator de cacat vandal ! Mai are vreun gunoi ca tine sa imi suga pula /
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Jovialis said:
Very high IQ posts on display here.
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I think that too, look at bebicu, it got my concept in 0,001 second

to the others- I wanted to compare Putin's bunker headquarter to Biden's hugs with unvaccinated Ukrainians

 
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