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Once again to make any conclusions about connections bitween Vandals and Normans in Africa and Sicily we should have at least the following information:
1) Presence of the specific clades of I1 or I2 in the region of interest ("specific" means clades that originated from the region of assumed migration, in this case clades of I1 and I2 from Central Europe and North Europe)
2) Age of these I1 and I2 clades should correlate with the period of presumed migration.
Taking into account the current information about distribution of I1 and I2 clades in Central and Western Europe the possibility that East Germanic tribes (Vandals, Goths and so on) were I1 or I2 folks is close to zero.
Why are you assuming the vandals and goths are I ? ......in the main.
Vandals and Goths are continental R1a markers with other markers tagging along, they did pick up some I though in Scandinavia, but most of the I was absorbed from the steppes.
R1a Scandinavia is not what the goths had, its different plus goths spoke gothic, Scandinavian "goths" speak gutnish. If Goths originated in scandinavia they would have been speaking gutnish all the time.
Also I marker was already present north of the black sea and in Crimea before the Goths arrived
Gothic people were of the Aestian (Lithuanian—Latvian and Old Prussian) origin
Elattova de eunh vemetai Saomatian, paoa men ton Ouistoulan potamon. Upo touj Ouenedaj, Guuwnej. Eita Finnoi.
The less significant people abide in Sarmatia, near the mouth of the Vistula river. Beyond the Venedi are Guthones. Then the Finns.