JajarBingan
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- Y-DNA haplogroup
- I-PH908*, DYS561=15
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Again what? These studies are available. You can check them out. About your theme, that is very hard to say, as most of the info are low-res studies but you can go from a clade to a clade, if some of these have non-modal values they can be estimated more easily. As I said these J-L84 weren't likely there and J-L264 were. These 9 tested Basarab J-L283>Z631 were most definitely not there 2000 years ago because they match with Albanians, Greeks (of certain Vlach origin) but 5 tested Z631 looking haplotypes from Brasov and Dolj might have been there, hard to say without hi-res tests done.
In my opinion, you fail to consider that the Latinised population of the Balkans was spread all over the territory from North of Greece to the Carpathians. Certainly, that region wasn't densely populated, but they were around there. Then they got assimilated by the Slavs gradually in the South and likewise managed to assimilate the Slavs North of the Danube.
Naturally, you would expect some of those from the South to be attracted by the notion of a Vlach state and migrate into the territory. Heck, it even happens to this day. Ever heard of Gheorghe Hagi and Simona Halep? Those guys descend from recent Aromanian migrants in Romania.
And obviously, just to top it all off, I think I'm the only one who actually presented real archaeological data. I'm still waiting to be illuminated on the so-called colossal migration of Vlachs in the medieval period who somehow managed to take over all of these aforementioned cultures on the territories of Wallachia and Moldavia and subjugate them without much effort (certainly such a sudden movement of people would have made for some interesting writings in the chronicles of our neighbours, wouldn't they?). If you are eager on autosomal data from Romania, as I am too, consider that we don't have anything later than the Chalcolithic. And those Scythians from Moldova certainly look like they took a fair share of local Farmer components, as opposed to those further East. What did you expect to demonstrate with this lack of data then? I wouldn't jump the gun so early.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/v...8&ll=45.47372834118088,25.607709382506982&z=6
So, let's all be civilised. The archaeological data is in favour of the continuation, while the autosomal aspect from ancients was simply not studied past the Chalcolithic yet. Modern Romanians are an almost 50/50 split between Balkan and Eastern European paternal markers and around 60/40 autosomally, when modelled as a combination of Balkans Iron Age and Baltic Iron Age.
Just to liven up the mood a bit here. Here's the fit of the only medieval Hungarian sample from current Eastern Hungary that we have (1224-1264AD):
Definitely a poor Vlach from the bottom of Thessaloniki who somehow managed to infiltrate the pure Carpathian space. Honestly you guys should rely less on theories from a period where everyone was pushing for claims on his neighbours' lands and focus on what we have now. And keep an open mind to everything, unless there is data to prove your point. I just don't understand how people can make claims of what is typical and atypical of the Carpathian space when we literally don't have a thing from here past the Chalcolithic (Y-DNA nor aDNA). And the Chalcolithic thing is almost purely farmer, as opposed to heavily filled with EHG as in Ukraine for example. So naturally, you would expect the descendant population to be heavier farmers than steppe pastoralists, unless some kind of Armageddon happened.
And just for the heck of it, while I have the calculator up and running, here is a fit with the data that we have from Romania (Balkans_CHL:I4089 and Romania HG) plus a sample from the same time period in Southern Balkans (Klei10) and the later Yamnaya from Ukraine, who obviously touched all of the Balkans.
What a beautifully tight distance, considering the age of the samples. Stop for a second and think. Are Hungarians somehow composed of anything else apart from WHG, Farmer and Steppe components (EHG+CHG) like the majority of Europeans? Certainly not; then why the larger distance? Because they received some of these components via different populations, not fully present on the ancient territory of Romania.
But hey, this must be a coincidence and certainly a product of Romanian revisionism. "God, I hate Romanians even more now", said everyone who supports the migration theory.
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