Y dna haplogroup T

… none of the latest Etruscans and Daunians are y T.

Etrusco-Latin? … according to modern scholars, the Rutuli (capital Ardea) were probably connected with the Etruscan or Ligurian peoples .

… and we have one Iron-Age y T in Ardea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutuli
 
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I’ve read many papers, … I counted a total of about 50 Ancient y T … out of thousands of ancient samples (though I haven't read them all).

Although y T is not a popular Haplogroup even today, the number of ancient samples found is proportionally way too small.

I don’t understand…….
 
... from various sources, ... most y T Dodecad K12b coordinates of interest:
(I can try to get some more, but you have to be specific)

Code:
[B]ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic,0,0,0,7.78,44.92,3.01,0,0,11.36,0,32.93,0[/B]
R850_Ardea_Latin,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.1,0
R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.21
R1543_Imperial_Rome,8.92,0,5.86,0,21.15,9.11,0.41,0.36,14.95,0,38.92,0.31
CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom,6,1.15,3.48,0,36.14,24.04,0.16,0.59,7.04,0,21.33,0.07
SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary,5.31,0,2.69,0,32.16,22.1,0.15,0,9.96,0,27.22,0.41
I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern,4.91,0,1.54,0.70,25.57,17.55,0.36,0.48,11.88,0,37,0
I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD,6.34,0.29,11.67,0,35.87,20.88,0,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06
[B]Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,3.81,0.14,50.90,0,0,0.68,15.71,0,28.76,0
Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,2.60,0,45.47,0,0,0,14.99,0,36.19,0.75[/B]
[B]kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0.45,3.45,0,59.31,0,0,0.53,15.77,0,20.49,0[/B]
VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0,0,0.06,0,3.77,1.58
VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara,8.38,2.47,0.53,0,35.05,41.08,0,0,0.48,0,9.88,2.14
[B]I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.21,0.37,42.93,36.24,0,0,7.78,0.22,9.65,0.61
I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.08,1.14,49.17,30.37,0,0,6.38,0,10.05,0.81[/B]
[B]KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,3.81,0,53.94,16.35,0,0,8.50,0,17.40,0
KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,0,0,57.20,17.89,0,2.49,6.68,0,15.74,0
[/B]


look to me like an early neolithic european haplogroup:)
 
@salento
Looking at our SK1480 I found a history of a genetic line for sample ERS256892 which sits with me and the pole in yfull
the link states that SK1480 is equal to L131 ...............what does this mean to you ?
https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnapedigree.asp?RecordID=1555752

… the link says equal or downstream of L131.

… SK1480 is obviously a downstream of L131.

You already know that L131 is our Great great great … Grandpà, Z19945 is Grandpà and BY143483 is our SK1480 Father :)


aRYBrxV.jpg
 
… the link says equal or downstream of L131.

… SK1480 is obviously a downstream of L131.

L131 is our Great great great … Grandpà, Z19945 is Grandpà and BY143483 is our SK1480 Father :)


aRYBrxV.jpg


so all the lines are directly linked with SK1480 .................interesting their is no link with ancient Spain

I will chat with T project people

ERS256892 from Sardinia, Italy. is linked directly with me and the Pole .....................Yfull know about SK1480 but do not use it
 
so all the lines are directly linked with SK1480 .................interesting their is no link with ancient Spain
I will chat with T project people
ERS256892 from Sardinia, Italy. is linked directly with me and the Pole .....................Yfull know about SK1480 but do not use it

I have no idea of any ancient geo links, … you and the Polish man, who’s not a Pole, are the only SK1480 I’m aware of (besides my family) :)
 
We can only go back a few hundred years, … and they didn’t find any ancient SK1480 or a nearby upstream of it.

… the snptracker map makes an educated guess, … it kind of places SK1480 halfway between our regions of origin:

cZsbKmj.jpg
 
I have no idea of any ancient geo links, … you and the Polish man, who’s not a Pole, are the only SK1480 I’m aware of (besides my family) :)

yes........we 3 ..............a type of Musketeer unit

Pole says .........Thuringia to Netherlands to Gdansk Poland .............and will retire in Norway as family lives there .............

your line moving from Italy to USA

mine from Italy to Australia

We are the nomads, trailblazers ................we have deep seated WHG in our markers
 
a map of T-Z19945 that match me and who are tested with ftdna, yfull or myheritage


we know the canary island member and the trentino marker is myself
 
a map of T-Z19945 that match me and who are tested with ftdna, yfull or myheritage

we know the canary island member and the trentino marker is myself


the Turkish marker is Aydin area

earliest history of the area states..............................

Aydin was known as Tralles in ancient times

According to Strabo Tralles was founded by the Argives and Trallians.

The Trallians, Tralles or Tralli (Greek: Τράλλεις, Tralleis) were a Thracian tribe that served Hellenistic kings.[1] They were barbarians, employed as mercenaries, executioners and torturers in Asia.[2] Livy (59 BC–17 AD) called them Illyrians.[3] Strabo (64 BC–24 AD) in Geographica attributed the foundation of the ancient city of Tralles, in the valley of the Maeander River in Asia Minor to Trallians and Argives. This tradition has been deemed fictitious and coincidental.[1] W. M. Ramsay (1851–1939) believed that the Trallians, a warrior tribe, had crossed the Hellespont and settled Mysia, Lydia, Phrygia, Caria and Lycia,[4] in what is today western Turkey. A part of the tribe seems to have migrated to Illyria.[5]
 
@salento
I presume the Lecce sample I found in genetichomeland is you , but it only appears if I use T-CTS8862 to search...............it comes with 1 other match only ...a bulgarian from Permik
The site shows two other T1a2 ancient samples ...1 x Silistra bulgaria and other from Somogy hungaria
I think the program must run also on MyHeritage samples ( they use ftdna programmers, but different snp and areas of ones DNA ).............I say this because I get a match from year 1600 in Grand Est France........this program shows me, a person with T-Z19945 from Waldersbach in Grand Est France
It also shows me 2 x Czech samples with T-Z19945
 
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@salento
I presume the Lecce sample I found in genetichomeland is you , but it only appears if I use T-CTS8862 to search...............it comes with 1 other match only ...a bulgarian from Permik
The site shows two other T1a2 ancient samples ...1 x Silistra bulgaria and other from Somogy hungaria
I think the program must run also on MyHeritage samples ( they use ftdna programmers, but different snp and areas of ones DNA ).............I say this because I get a match from year 1600 in Grand Est France........this program shows me person with T-Z19945 from Waldersbach in Grand Est France
It also shows me 2 x Czech samples with T-Z19945

I haven't seen it, but it is possible, though if it’s me it is outdated as we’re T-SK1480.
 
I haven't seen it, but it is possible, though if it’s me it is outdated as we’re T-SK1480.


they must only check certain testing companies as I mentioned
 
Another T1a2

Marotte family from Belgium T1a2 - FT384286 .............year 1580

and a

Czech T1a2 - FTA53658 ..........................year 1615

both of the above are from CTS1848 branch

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on my branch

Johann Adam Wolff, b.1688 ..........in Austria

Charles Sheppard Vinson Jones , 1760 ...........found in USA

John Atwell b. 1727 ...Wales

Antonio Gariti, b. 1700 Italy
 
Anyone been able to figure out cts933 yet? Also any progress on who carried T1 lines in europe or were they just slaves in the roman empire from middle east?
 
Anyone been able to figure out cts933 yet? Also any progress on who carried T1 lines in europe or were they just slaves in the roman empire from middle east?
No, … and absolutely Not !!!
Y T was in Rome long before the Empire !!! and was already in Germany during the Neolithic!

Ardea (Rome):

6tMNy2f.jpg


Karsdorf (Germany):
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y63197/

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No, … and absolutely Not !!!
Y T was in Rome long before the Empire !!! and was already in Germany during the Neolithic!
Ardea (Rome):
6tMNy2f.jpg

Karsdorf (Germany):
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y63197/
AtUeeLP.jpg

Wow thats nice, ardea were basically in rome before rome existed? It makes sense why T isnt rare in italy unlike rest of europe, seems to have a hotspot in and around rome
 

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