Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

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PCA made with PAST software, using the Dodecad K12b coordinates.
 
Jovialis, I don't see Himera hoplite 480 BC Battle 110946.

Not my "best" collection of ancient sources in terms of fit, but...

Distance to:Angela
8.79353740Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
8.89120914Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163
9.44240435Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223
10.83918355Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
11.13374151GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580
12.13746267Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7224
13.71234116Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225
13.95851711GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428
13.97269480GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518:I13506_d
14.17348934Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017
14.29946852Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
15.18984200Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218
15.25060982Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217
15.72241712Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432
15.76320399GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
15.83432979GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
16.01564235Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948
16.17007112Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017
16.32866192Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952
16.43740855GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
16.63677853GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
16.96022995GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
17.02822069Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945
17.07667708Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20162
17.52376387GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514

Closest population to Armenoi Crete: I can see why Lazaridis thought the sample might have been partly or fully "foreign".
Distance to:Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
5.53201591French_Corsica
9.91419185Italian_Tuscany
10.30954412Italian_Romagna
10.34666613Italian_Liguria
10.58752096Italian_Emilia
10.72514820Italian_Marche
11.28459126Italian_Umbria
11.86670131Italian_Lazio
12.55721307Italian_Lombardy
13.45603210Italian_Piedmont
14.60639586Spanish_Canarias
14.74098029Italian_Abruzzo
14.82734973Italian_Veneto
15.44883814Italian_Molise
15.99574631Italian_Campania
16.13880456Swiss_Italian
16.21161004Portuguese
16.34587104Italian_Sicily
16.63360153Italian_Basilicata
16.96006486Spanish_Castilla-Leon
17.07478843Italian_Friuli_VG
17.11421339Spanish_Baleares
17.41238065Albanian
17.51260118Italian_Trentino
17.63067214Spanish_Valencia
Closest population to Himera 120163
Distance to:Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163
8.05290631French_Corsica
11.97538726Italian_Tuscany
12.07434470Italian_Liguria
12.28813656Italian_Emilia
12.85750753Italian_Lombardy
13.08214050Italian_Romagna
14.16025070Italian_Umbria
14.20417770Italian_Marche
14.94211832Italian_Piedmont
15.53554312Italian_Lazio
15.82009482Italian_Veneto
16.01502927Swiss_Italian
16.04906851Sardinian
17.70109319Spanish_Canarias
17.70549915Italian_Trentino
17.75717883Spanish_Baleares
17.99368500Spanish_Castilla-Leon
18.23154958Portuguese
18.26533055Spanish_Valencia
18.35561222Italian_Friuli_VG
18.66447428Italian_Abruzzo
18.76057302Italian_Molise
19.08213562Spanish_Andalusia
19.14226476Albanian
19.24776091Italian_Aosta_Valley

Closest population to soldier 17223
Distance to:Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223
7.64100124French_Corsica
12.37324937Italian_Tuscany
12.42813679Italian_Marche
12.43657509Italian_Romagna
12.95873836Italian_Umbria
13.19374094Italian_Liguria
13.25838225Italian_Emilia
13.94157452Italian_Lazio
14.84614765Italian_Lombardy
15.66525135Italian_Molise
15.78862249Italian_Abruzzo
16.13977075Italian_Campania
16.67125970Italian_Piedmont
16.85838664Sardinian
17.26569431Italian_Sicily
17.39979885Italian_Veneto
18.01935071Italian_Basilicata
18.02502427Albanian
18.39592890Italian_Calabria
18.47916293Swiss_Italian
18.50314568Greek_Athens
18.54495349Italian_Apulia
18.66551901Ashkenazi_Jew
18.74542611Greek_Central
19.42878792Greek_Thrace

So, my closest matches are not the Mycenaean like Himera samples.

Should Corsica be analyzed the way Sardinia is, as harboring very ancient like Mediterranean genomes?


Target: Angela
Distance: 3.3004% / 3.30036850 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.6Helladic_Logkas_MBA
22.9Armenoi_Crete
17.9Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc
17.2Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med
3.4GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA_lc


Distance to:Angela
3.6004089452.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 47.40% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432
4.0011225178.80% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 21.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015
4.2434642681.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015
4.4309825181.60% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015
4.5758336781.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
4.6750319081.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015
4.6857707083.20% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0444:Mathieson_2015
4.7005576678.80% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021 + 21.20% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA_lc:I13536_d
4.7408112781.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 18.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015
4.7677358884.00% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015
4.7901915248.80% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 51.20% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225
4.7916631880.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 20.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015
4.7964039080.80% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015
4.9402540163.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 37.00% Greece_N:Rev5:Hofmanova_2016
5.0326597681.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015
5.1331827182.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 17.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0357:Mathieson_2015
5.1398520537.20% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 62.80% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223
5.1993022482.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 17.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0441:Mathieson_2015
5.2011779383.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0370:Mathieson_2015
5.2206421564.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 36.00% Greece_N:I5427:Mathieson_2018
5.2435236483.20% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231:Mathieson_2015
5.2823113483.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 16.60% Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
5.3717971363.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 37.00% Greece_N:pal7:Hofmanova_2016
5.3754234084.60% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 15.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0441:Mathieson_2015
5.5265478334.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 65.40% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163
Closest population to Himera 117432:
Distance to:Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432
11.46223364Sardinian
14.79113586French_Corsica
20.15046153Italian_Tuscany
20.19339753Italian_Marche
20.47562453Italian_Romagna
20.80845742Italian_Emilia
20.87084569Italian_Liguria
20.99619727Italian_Umbria
21.81653272Italian_Lazio
22.00034318Italian_Lombardy
22.14177048Italian_Campania
22.14616220Italian_Molise
22.49807992Italian_Abruzzo
23.32857047Italian_Sicily
23.65573081Italian_Calabria
23.96066360Morocco_Jew
24.05342179Italian_Piedmont
24.16760228Italian_Basilicata
24.64280219Italian_Jew
24.67446048Ashkenazi_Jew
24.90516011Sephardic_Jew
24.92396838Italian_Veneto
25.39982087Spanish_Canarias
25.47048684Italian_Apulia
25.49358277Swiss_Italian

Closest population to Log 4:
Distance to:Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
5.64006206Macedonian_Vardar
6.12159293Macedonian_Polog
6.41073319Italian_Friuli_VG
6.41352477Macedonian_East
6.83537124Macedonian_South
6.91795490Greek_Macedonia
7.15973463Italian_Veneto
7.30935018Albanian_Kosovo
7.69858429Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
7.92521293Romanian_Muntenia
8.11762280Moldovan_Gagauz
8.39100113Romanian_Oltenia
8.54378722Bulgarian_Central
8.56044975Bulgarian_East
8.59815096Bulgarian_West
8.64762973Italian_Piedmont
9.23212327Romanian_Banat
9.33067522Greek_Thessaly
9.34067985Montenegrin
9.47814328Pomak_Bulgaria
9.49851041Italian_Trentino
9.58237444Italian_Emilia
9.68784290Romanian_Dobrogea
9.70237600Turk_Makedonya
9.92411205Romanian_Transylvania
 
Jovialis, I don't see Himera hoplite 480 BC Battle 110946.

Indeed, I had omitted him because from the labeling I thought he was a mercenary

Code:
Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946,4.41,1.02,1.4,0,37.29,25.51,0,0.03,5.81,0,22.6,1.93

Here's a version with that sample included:

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Thanks, Jovialis. I asked because when you were looking at all the Himera samples, he came in very often.

Distance to:Angela
8.73953088Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
8.79353740Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
8.89120914Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163
9.44240435Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223
10.83918355Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
11.13374151GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580
12.13746267Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7224
13.71234116Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225
13.95851711GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428
13.97269480GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518:I13506_d
14.17348934Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017
14.29946852Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
15.18984200Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218
15.25060982Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217
15.72241712Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432
15.76320399GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
15.83432979GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
16.01564235Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948
16.17007112Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017
16.32866192Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952
16.43740855GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
16.63677853GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
16.96022995GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
17.02822069Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945
17.07667708Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20162

They didn't do the Strontium test on him, did they? He might very well have been a Northern Italian mercenary, as your PCA shows. I know Ligurian mercenaries, for one, were all over the Med. Or, he might have been a settler from there. It amazes me the authors didn't do more complete similarity runs to modern populations.

Distance to:Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
2.93308711Italian_Veneto
3.07253967Italian_Piedmont
3.26599143Italian_Lombardy
4.01203190Italian_Liguria
4.52730604Italian_Emilia
5.03992187Swiss_Italian
5.26428533Italian_Friuli_VG
5.57457622Italian_Trentino
5.90759680Italian_Tuscany
8.14992025Italian_Romagna
8.46255871Italian_Aosta_Valley
9.60735656French_Corsica
9.83466827Italian_Umbria
10.21314349Macedonian_Vardar
10.31406806Spanish_Baleares
10.58307139Albanian_Kosovo
10.72228054Macedonian_South
10.87933362Macedonian_East
11.30645391Macedonian_Polog
11.36434336Italian_Lazio
11.42829821Portuguese
11.50418463Italian_Marche
11.63881867Spanish_Canarias
11.68290632Greek_Macedonia
11.83536227Austrian_Tyrol

Excellent work.


Target: Angela
Distance: 1.7792% / 1.77917329

60.4Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe
25.0Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc
7.0GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA
4.9Armenoi_Crete
1.5Yamnaya_Samara
1.2GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Much closer. With him I don't need the Yamnaya samples.

The two way is also closer:
Distance to:Angela
2.4449908625.60% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17887 + 74.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.0132285638.00% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 62.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.2966915728.40% GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364 + 71.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.5649858234.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 65.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.6004089452.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 47.40% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432
3.6763297527.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20160 + 73.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.6840047525.60% Greece_N:Rev5:Hofmanova_2016 + 74.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.7260867924.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017 + 75.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.8083734724.20% Greece_N:I2318:Mathieson_2018 + 75.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.8874317924.80% Greece_N:I5427:Mathieson_2018 + 75.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.9244465925.40% Greece_N:pal7:Hofmanova_2016 + 74.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.9527703925.00% Greece_N:I2937:Lazaridis_2017 + 75.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.0011225178.80% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 21.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015
4.0589821224.60% Greece_N:Klei10:Hofmanova_2016 + 75.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.1447136833.60% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579 + 66.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.2434642681.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015
4.3097047336.00% Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 + 64.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.3166095724.20% Greece_N:I3708:Mathieson_2018 + 75.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.3579634922.80% Greece_N:I3709:Mathieson_2018 + 77.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.3693201022.40% Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017 + 77.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.3823679019.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017 + 80.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.4309825181.60% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015
4.4765269725.00% Helladic_Manika_EBA:Mik15:Clemente_2021 + 75.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.5758336781.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
4.5841267147.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 52.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946


Distance to:Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17887
24.35054620Sardinian
25.06138464French_Corsica
26.62032870Italian_Campania
27.02743051Italian_Molise
27.50897853Italian_Calabria
27.56504489Italian_Abruzzo
27.59585701Italian_Marche
27.79165882Sephardic_Jew
27.79760781Greek_Icaria
28.10085586Italian_Sicily
28.36504363Italian_Basilicata
28.64264303Italian_Umbria
28.75828055Italian_Romagna
28.92046853Morocco_Jew
29.07919187Italian_Lazio
29.11633219Italian_Tuscany
29.15473203Italian_Jew
29.52921096Ashkenazi_Jew
29.66739625Greek_Rhodes
29.94266187Italian_Emilia
30.09013460Italian_Apulia
30.14666151Greek_Izmir
30.15841674Greek_Kos
30.36559731Greek_Fournoi
30.77873942Greek_Lemnos

So, Balkan/North Italian like plus about a quarter more Med like?



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Target: Angela
Distance: 1.7792% / 1.77917329

60.4Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe
25.0Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc
7.0GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA
4.9Armenoi_Crete
1.5Yamnaya_Samara
1.2GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA
 
Thanks, Jovialis. I asked because when you were looking at all the Himera samples, he came in very often.

Distance to:Angela
8.73953088Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
8.79353740Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
8.89120914Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I20163
9.44240435Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223
10.83918355Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
11.13374151GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13580
12.13746267Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7224
13.71234116Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225
13.95851711GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13428
13.97269480GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA_father.or.son.I13518:I13506_d
14.17348934Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017
14.29946852Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
15.18984200Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7218
15.25060982Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217
15.72241712Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432
15.76320399GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579
15.83432979GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
16.01564235Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10948
16.17007112Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017
16.32866192Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952
16.43740855GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
16.63677853GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
16.96022995GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
17.02822069Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945
17.07667708Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20162

They didn't do the Strontium test on him, did they? He might very well have been a Northern Italian mercenary, as your PCA shows. I know Ligurian mercenaries, for one, were all over the Med. Or, he might have been a settler from there. It amazes me the authors didn't do more complete similarity runs to modern populations.

Distance to:Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
2.93308711Italian_Veneto
3.07253967Italian_Piedmont
3.26599143Italian_Lombardy
4.01203190Italian_Liguria
4.52730604Italian_Emilia
5.03992187Swiss_Italian
5.26428533Italian_Friuli_VG
5.57457622Italian_Trentino
5.90759680Italian_Tuscany
8.14992025Italian_Romagna
8.46255871Italian_Aosta_Valley
9.60735656French_Corsica
9.83466827Italian_Umbria
10.21314349Macedonian_Vardar
10.31406806Spanish_Baleares
10.58307139Albanian_Kosovo
10.72228054Macedonian_South
10.87933362Macedonian_East
11.30645391Macedonian_Polog
11.36434336Italian_Lazio
11.42829821Portuguese
11.50418463Italian_Marche
11.63881867Spanish_Canarias
11.68290632Greek_Macedonia
11.83536227Austrian_Tyrol

Excellent work.


Target: Angela
Distance: 1.7792% / 1.77917329
60.4Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe
25.0Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc
7.0GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA
4.9Armenoi_Crete
1.5Yamnaya_Samara
1.2GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

Much closer. With him I don't need the Yamnaya samples.

The two way is also closer:
Distance to:Angela
2.4449908625.60% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17887 + 74.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.0132285638.00% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7225 + 62.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.2966915728.40% GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364 + 71.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.5649858234.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 65.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.6004089452.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021 + 47.40% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432
3.6763297527.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I20160 + 73.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.6840047525.60% Greece_N:Rev5:Hofmanova_2016 + 74.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.7260867924.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017 + 75.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.8083734724.20% Greece_N:I2318:Mathieson_2018 + 75.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.8874317924.80% Greece_N:I5427:Mathieson_2018 + 75.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.9244465925.40% Greece_N:pal7:Hofmanova_2016 + 74.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
3.9527703925.00% Greece_N:I2937:Lazaridis_2017 + 75.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.0011225178.80% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 21.20% Yamnaya_Samara:I0439:Mathieson_2015
4.0589821224.60% Greece_N:Klei10:Hofmanova_2016 + 75.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.1447136833.60% GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13579 + 66.40% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.2434642681.20% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.80% Yamnaya_Samara:I0438:Mathieson_2015
4.3097047336.00% Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 + 64.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.3166095724.20% Greece_N:I3708:Mathieson_2018 + 75.80% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.3579634922.80% Greece_N:I3709:Mathieson_2018 + 77.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.3693201022.40% Minoan_Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017 + 77.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.3823679019.80% Minoan_Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017 + 80.20% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.4309825181.60% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 18.40% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429:Mathieson_2015
4.4765269725.00% Helladic_Manika_EBA:Mik15:Clemente_2021 + 75.00% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946
4.5758336781.00% Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med:I17432 + 19.00% Yamnaya_Samara:I0443:Mathieson_2015
4.5841267147.40% Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med:I7223 + 52.60% Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe:I10946


Distance to:Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc:I17887
24.35054620Sardinian
25.06138464French_Corsica
26.62032870Italian_Campania
27.02743051Italian_Molise
27.50897853Italian_Calabria
27.56504489Italian_Abruzzo
27.59585701Italian_Marche
27.79165882Sephardic_Jew
27.79760781Greek_Icaria
28.10085586Italian_Sicily
28.36504363Italian_Basilicata
28.64264303Italian_Umbria
28.75828055Italian_Romagna
28.92046853Morocco_Jew
29.07919187Italian_Lazio
29.11633219Italian_Tuscany
29.15473203Italian_Jew
29.52921096Ashkenazi_Jew
29.66739625Greek_Rhodes
29.94266187Italian_Emilia
30.09013460Italian_Apulia
30.14666151Greek_Izmir
30.15841674Greek_Kos
30.36559731Greek_Fournoi
30.77873942Greek_Lemnos

So, Balkan/North Italian like plus about a quarter more Med like?



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Target: Angela
Distance: 1.7792% / 1.77917329
60.4Himera_480_BC_Battle_Balkans_Cent-Europe
25.0Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc
7.0GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA
4.9Armenoi_Crete
1.5Yamnaya_Samara
1.2GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA

I think it is likely, given where he plots on the PCA.


I too am curious to see where the Campanian samples plot in relation to the ones we currently have. As well as the link the Kingjohn provided with the 102 new samples.


As for the quality of scholarship when it comes to papers, I have little faith anymore. Other than the raw data and occasional undeniable archeological identification, many authors seem to be very obtuse with their conclusions.
 
If I win the $1.5 billion Powerball Jackpot on Saturday, one of my personal goals is to set up my own lab, hire non-bias researchers, and sequence all of the unexplored aDNA that tickles my interest. :)

I think that would be possible with a $745 million dollar payout considering the Reich lab did all they have done with a measly $400,000 grant.
 
If I win the $1.5 billion Powerball Jackpot on Saturday, one of my personal goals is to set up my own lab, hire non-bias researchers, and sequence all of the unexplored aDNA that tickles my interest. :)

I think that would be possible with a $745 million dollar payout considering the Reich lab did all they have done with a measly $400,000 grant.
:beer1:

You would do us, all archaeogenetics enthusiasts, a great service, and I'd be very grateful to you. Good luck!!!
 
I made a Greek average from six Himera individuals that scored Mycenean and southern MKD IA, half of the individuals carried minor Sicilian(below 10%) mixture.

This is the classical Greek profile I was able to filter from six Himera individuals which showed almost entirely Mycenaean and MKD IA ancestry.

Code:
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[TD="class: xl65"]Classical_Greek_Himera_6th_BCE_1:Average,0.119134833333333,0.161807666666667,-0.00804533333333333,-0.0634156666666667,0.0238505,-0.0244958333333333,-0.00317266666666667,-0.00446133333333333,0.00657883333333333,0.0417321666666667,0.0026525,0.0105905,-0.019202,-0.0009175,-0.0167615,-0.0124413333333333,0.00986566666666667,-0.0004855,0.00689233333333333,-0.00862916666666667,-0.0100863333333333,0.007048,-0.000534166666666667,0.00576366666666667,-0.00275416666666667[/TD]
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With Mycenaean.
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Without Mycenaean
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Code:
ALB_Çinamak_Anc:Average,0.12475,0.1537512,0.0302452,-0.0142766,0.0300362,-0.0074186,0.003008,0.0005078,-0.001636,0.0248934,0.0011366,0.0071936,-0.0192368,-0.0072664,-0.0093376,-0.0049058,0.0066756,0.0026096,0.0039722,-0.0091042,-0.007986,0.0025474,-0.0043382,0.0057118,-0.0064664
MKD_Southwest_Ohrid_Anc:Average,0.1227012,0.153345,0.0232306,-0.0133722,0.0244968,-0.0063586,-0.0016922,-0.0033692,0.0006136,0.0272624,0.0058134,0.0063242,-0.0168878,-0.0066334,-0.0106676,-0.0031822,0.0011472,0.0044846,0.007944,-0.0095546,-0.0135512,0.0084826,-0.0017008,0.009688,-0.0026104
MKD_Southeast_Valandovo_Anc:Average,0.123498,0.1563915,0.0197985,-0.024225,0.029852,-0.013526,-0.0052875,-0.0064615,0.008897,0.0303425,0.0007305,0.0059945,-0.0118185,0.0056425,-0.0113325,-0.01664,-0.0086055,0.001457,0.005845,-0.016633,-0.0117295,0.0039565,0.0019105,0.005362,-0.001916
South_Thracian:Average,0.120342,0.162484636363636,0.00750790909090909,-0.0525021818181818,0.0298237272727273,-0.0213985454545455,-0.000427272727272727,-0.00148963636363636,0.0115091818181818,0.0437533636363636,0.002864,0.00821554545454545,-0.0182042727272727,-0.000963272727272727,-0.0228134545454545,-0.0118847272727273,0.00982618181818182,0.00269490909090909,0.00823909090909091,-0.00983418181818182,-0.00948327272727273,0.005598,-0.00368618181818182,0.00316554545454545,-0.00649918181818182

Classical_Greek_Himera_6th_BCE_1:Average,0.119134833333333,0.161807666666667,-0.00804533333333333,-0.0634156666666667,0.0238505,-0.0244958333333333,-0.00317266666666667,-0.00446133333333333,0.00657883333333333,0.0417321666666667,0.0026525,0.0105905,-0.019202,-0.0009175,-0.0167615,-0.0124413333333333,0.00986566666666667,-0.0004855,0.00689233333333333,-0.00862916666666667,-0.0100863333333333,0.007048,-0.000534166666666667,0.00576366666666667,-0.00275416666666667
POL_Weklice_Early_Goths:Average,0.133660714285714,0.129552571428571,0.0762861428571429,0.065892,0.043085,0.0241838571428571,0.00553942857142857,0.0118347142857143,0.00745042857142857,-0.007758,-0.00675071428571429,0.00389657142857143,-0.00736928571428571,-0.00650742857142857,0.0185354285714286,0.0119141428571429,0.00378085714285714,0.000688,0.00183171428571429,0.00644957142857143,0.007986,0.00245528571428571,-0.00151428571428571,0.011912,-0.00145414285714286
Slav_MA,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395
Sargat_IA:Average,0.093477,-0.068548125,0.0658075,0.0608855,-0.049201625,-6.98750000000006E-05,0.003055125,0.004442,-0.01516025,-0.02890725,0.014899125,-0.00252875,0.008566625,-0.033236,0.002680375,0.001027625,-0.009664875,0.00121925,-0.001853875,-0.003329625,-0.009343,0.006244375,0.001802375,0.003057625,0.001167625
MNG_Early_Xiongnu:Average,0.0668927692307692,-0.207246076923077,0.0557848461538462,0.0257157692307692,-0.0602005384615385,-0.009375,0.00723107692307692,0.00658553846153846,-0.0122085384615385,-0.0164993846153846,-0.0166386153846154,-0.00288215384615385,-0.000903461538461539,-0.0122060769230769,0.0140104615384615,0.000917846153846154,-0.00948784615384615,0.00161784615384615,0.00147938461538462,0.00503115384615384,-0.0186401538461538,-0.00195938461538462,-0.00628553846153846,0.00203923076923077,0.00205415384615385
AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LC:ALX002,0.097888,0.137096,-0.06939,-0.072675,-0.023697,-0.013666,0.005875,-0.003692,-0.024338,-0.00164,0.011205,-0.013338,0.012636,0.00578,-0.020765,0.030893,0.024903,0.004181,-0.000251,-0.007754,0.004617,0.015086,-0.003944,-0.015544,-0.005508
ARM_Noratus_Anc:Average,0.0944735,0.137604,-0.05638,-0.0637925,-0.0253895,-0.019941,0.0038775,-0.005192,-0.0223955,-0.0041,0.00609,0.00517,-0.006764,-0.0052985,-0.0010855,0.00305,0.009453,-0.001964,0.005594,-0.0068785,0.003993,-0.00136,0.0019105,-0.0025905,0.003353
IRN_Hasanlu_C_BA_&_IA:Average,0.0949608571428571,0.126070714285714,-0.0649725714285714,-0.0443432857142857,-0.0409744285714286,-0.00844628571428571,0.00688228571428571,-0.00458228571428571,-0.0376322857142857,-0.0118451428571429,0.00605485714285714,6.42857142857142E-05,0.000977,-0.00359785714285714,0.000853,0.00746271428571429,-0.000707857142857143,0.00356528571428571,0.00301685714285714,-0.00394842857142857,0.00180042857142857,-0.00439857142857143,-0.00508828571428571,-0.00719542857142857,0.00138571428571429
Levant_PPNB:Average,0.0774,0.165192666666667,-0.0314266666666667,-0.139752333333333,0.035699,-0.063215,-0.0110453333333333,-0.012999,0.0681746666666667,0.0413676666666667,0.0197033333333333,-0.014287,0.0312683333333333,-0.00197266666666667,-0.0285013333333333,0.009016,0.0160803333333333,-0.00135133333333333,-0.00439966666666667,0.019926,-0.00391,0.008491,-0.00209533333333333,-0.00397633333333333,-0.006267
ISR_Natufian_EpiP,0.034147,0.152329,-0.022627,-0.140506,0.042162,-0.085062,-0.016921,-0.015692,0.12476,0.019317,0.028743,-0.025327,0.085926,-0.004129,0.004886,-0.014054,-0.011213,-0.007855,-0.02074,0.023136,0.01123,0.001607,0.00912,0.003735,-0.003233
Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666

South of Olympus mountain, MKD_Southeast_Valandovo likely represents Vlach and partial Albanian ancestry though some of it can easily have been transmitted during imperial time and the barbarian migrations. MKD Southeast average is made of two individuals that are Vezerzug Balkan like in the majority of their profile, therefore a northern Thracian like component. A good candidate for ancestral Vlach and partially Albanian.
South of Olympus mountain, South Thracian is mostly tied to Albanian like ancestry, maybe partially Vlach. For Greek islands, it's hard to say, some of the islands next to Thrace have a strong south Thracian ancestry, and likely represent refugees when the Slavs ravaged Thrace.
 
Way too many overlapping ancient populations. First I just want to see the distances of all those modern Greek populations to Mycenaeans and Minoans. Then, to the Himera samples.

This doesn't give us the right information.

Just post the coordinates for the modern Greek samples and I'll do it myself.
 
It's true, there are a lot of values, but Greeks are not made of only one Balkan source. There are Vlach and Albanians who migrated into Greece during the medieval period, that have a different ancient Balkan IA background. These two groups likely represent about 16-20% of modern Greek genome, similar to the overall Slavic mixture.

It's a model for Balkan Greeks. For south Italian Greeks, or Trebezon, it would make sense to remove the other Balkan IA averages. It all depends on whom you're trying to model. The model result do seem reasonable on estimating on how much ancient Greek profile survived in modern Greece. Maybe people will disagree.
 
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PCA made with PAST software, using the Dodecad K12b coordinates.
It's true, there are a lot of values, but Greeks are not made of only one Balkan source. There are Vlach and Albanians who migrated into Greece during the medieval period, that have a different ancient Balkan IA background. These two groups likely represent about 16-20% of modern Greek genome, similar to the overall Slavic mixture.

It's a model for Balkan Greeks. For south Italian Greeks, or Trebezon, it would make sense to remove the other Balkan IA averages. It all depends on whom you're trying to model. The model result do seem reasonable on estimating on how much ancient Greek profile survived in modern Greece. Maybe people will disagree.

I don't understand what "you" don't understand. If I want to know how close modern Greeks, no matter their ancestors over time, are to Mycenaeans, then I compare each modern Greek population to Mycenaeans, PERIOD. All of the other populations are irrelevant.

None of this will tell you how close Classical Era Greeks were to Mycenaeans unless we assume Classical Era Greeks were like the Empuries sample, which isn't a bad assumption. You do understand that Classical Era Greeks are the Greeks of the late first millennium B.C. and the early Imperial Era, yes?

If you won't give me the coordinates I'll find them myself. What you're doing won't answer the question.
 
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Regarding phenotype, this could be a random everyday person in Southern Italy, or Greece.

One of our American posters once stated that as to the question of where the ancient Romans went, they didn't go anywhere. All you had to do was go to a museum in Italy, look at the statues, and look at the Italians around you. :)
 
Davidski has some nerve posting the Sicilian coordinates away from the rest of the Italians.

Anyway, no idea why he didn't post the Calabrian Greek speakers if he was going to post the Apulian ones, so I just added all the modern Deep South Italian coordinates. Then decided to post Balkan samples as well as some Turkish ones to make sure I had the complete picture.

AJF is my husband. No point in doing him separately. In some cases he doesn't match as well, perhaps because he has both Campanian and Calabrian ancestry.

When you're talking ancient samples, a distance of .04 is respectable, imo. Heck, I'm at a distance of 4 to other North Italians and Central Italians.

Distance to:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
0.04689063AJF
0.04715049Greek_Deep_Mani
0.04766329Italian_Apulia
0.04773822Italian_Calabria
0.04781696Italian_Campania
0.04981762Italian_Basilicata
0.04994000Sicilian_East
0.05015796Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.05016770Greek_Apulia
0.05067558Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.05203613Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.05206948Greek_Dodecanese
0.05330776Greek_Kos
0.05358886Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.05402369Italian_Molise
0.05421812Greek_Crete
0.05583935Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.05586673Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.05672532Greek_Izmir
0.05864152Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.05938853Greek_Laconia
0.05957032Sicilian_West
0.05995380Greek_Crete_Chania
0.06108172Greek_East_Taygetos
0.06177003Greek_Argolis
0.06198743Greek_Corinthia
0.06234180Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.06288515Greek_Peloponnese
0.06356868Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.06376561Greek_Arcadia

Distance to:GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA
0.04376803Sicilian_East
0.04508047Greek_Apulia
0.04572918Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.04580595Italian_Apulia
0.04610023Italian_Calabria
0.04706078Italian_Basilicata
0.04715428Italian_Molise
0.04738173Italian_Campania
0.04865959Greek_Deep_Mani
0.04886789AJF
0.04931669Greek_Izmir
0.05011201Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.05084622Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.05113279Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.05137956Greek_Crete
0.05183370Sicilian_West
0.05187215Greek_Laconia
0.05190657Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.05299505Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.05306515Greek_Elis
0.05315977Greek_East_Taygetos
0.05375946Greek_Corinthia
0.05396806Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.05430973Greek_Argolis
0.05451048Greek_Kos
0.05457760Greek_Messenia
0.05462103Greek_Arcadia
0.05471137Greek_Peloponnese
0.05571970Greek_Thessaly
0.05630598Greek_Achaea

Distance to:GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA
0.04221922Italian_Calabria
0.04223259Italian_Campania
0.04250888Italian_Apulia
0.04325377Greek_Deep_Mani
0.04349767AJF
0.04401398Italian_Basilicata
0.04419664Sicilian_East
0.04453392Greek_Apulia
0.04612516Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.04793408Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.04843008Italian_Molise
0.04849150Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.04873771Greek_Dodecanese
0.04950303Greek_Kos
0.04974552Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.05060176Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.05065653Greek_Crete
0.05086053Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.05217033Greek_Izmir
0.05350346Sicilian_West
0.05419376Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.05501731Greek_Laconia
0.05532666Greek_Crete_Chania
0.05666966Greek_East_Taygetos
0.05725136Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.05729454Greek_Corinthia
0.05740571Greek_Argolis
0.05747552Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.05796211Greek_Peloponnese
0.05951980Greek_Arcadia

Distance to:GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA
0.05788121Italian_Apulia
0.05804452Greek_Apulia
0.05831636Italian_Campania
0.05908175Italian_Basilicata
0.05939518Greek_Deep_Mani
0.05984886Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.05987889Italian_Calabria
0.05998007Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.06087317Greek_Izmir
0.06091187Italian_Molise
0.06182767Greek_Corinthia
0.06210482Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.06245076Sicilian_East
0.06286959Greek_Argolis
0.06295452Greek_Peloponnese
0.06357289Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.06363142Greek_Laconia
0.06446492Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.06489945Greek_Achaea
0.06516555Greek_East_Taygetos
0.06546427Greek_Elis
0.06548152Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.06551331Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.06590425Greek_Arcadia
0.06660814Greek_Messenia
0.06723523Greek_Kos
0.06793268Greek_Crete
0.06812768Greek_Thessaly
0.06835129Sicilian_West
0.07012765Greek_Dodecanese

Distance to:GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA
0.05210852Greek_Deep_Mani
0.05370163Italian_Campania
0.05407514Italian_Apulia
0.05429504Greek_Apulia
0.05510829Italian_Calabria
0.05562445Italian_Basilicata
0.05660416AJF
0.05665286Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.05671397Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.05720477Sicilian_East
0.05735401Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.05792790Greek_Kos
0.05811369Italian_Molise
0.05821709Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.05853950Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.05887287Greek_Dodecanese
0.05967206Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.05978069Greek_Izmir
0.06012171Greek_Crete
0.06277443Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.06293200Greek_Laconia
0.06455584Greek_Corinthia
0.06464741Greek_Argolis
0.06482661Greek_East_Taygetos
0.06531884Sicilian_West
0.06541016Greek_Peloponnese
0.06582341Greek_Crete_Chania
0.06602598Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.06688762Greek_Arcadia
0.06708943Greek_Achaea

Distance to:GRC_Mycenaean
0.04613524Italian_Calabria
0.04817685Italian_Campania
0.04852104Greek_Deep_Mani
0.04950703Greek_Apulia
0.04995370Italian_Apulia
0.04999673Italian_Basilicata
0.05054309Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.05085882Sicilian_East
0.05100425Greek_Kos
0.05118825Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.05223553Greek_Dodecanese
0.05238513Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.05262290Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.05276639AJF
0.05290585Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.05499403Italian_Molise
0.05509976Greek_Crete
0.05543374Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.05592299Greek_Izmir
0.05864589Sicilian_West
0.06010278Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.06114329Greek_Crete_Chania
0.06154745Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.06178645Greek_Laconia
0.06250757Greek_Corinthia
0.06351918Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.06360560Greek_East_Taygetos
0.06362087Greek_Argolis
0.06417624Greek_Peloponnese
0.06471197Greek_Elis

Distance to:GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.03155534Greek_Kos
0.03318612Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.03530182Greek_Dodecanese
0.03605125Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.03797466Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04151280Greek_Crete
0.04399147Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.04653811Greek_Cappadocia
0.04654727Italian_Calabria
0.04724190Greek_Deep_Mani
0.04821852Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.04902160Greek_Crete_Chania
0.05057446Italian_Campania
0.05100804Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.05157535Italian_Basilicata
0.05185594Greek_Apulia
0.05188142Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.05315034Greek_Izmir
0.05347846Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.05583415Italian_Apulia
0.05674047Sicilian_East
0.05726674Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.05883097AJF
0.06053355Italian_Molise
0.06176304Turkish_Trabzon
0.06334862Greek_Laconia
0.06404823Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.06479274Greek_East_Taygetos
0.06519108Sicilian_West
0.06530634Greek_Peloponnese

Distance to:GRC_Manika_Helladic_EBA
0.07925327Sardinian
0.08674779AJF
0.08801419Italian_Calabria
0.08899441Italian_Campania
0.08916051Greek_Deep_Mani
0.08968383Italian_Apulia
0.09034336Sicilian_East
0.09099140Greek_Apulia
0.09102636Italian_Basilicata
0.09186629Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.09256822Greek_Dodecanese
0.09375424Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.09396882Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.09431878Greek_Kos
0.09491472Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.09527482Italian_Molise
0.09568276Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.09626148Sicilian_West
0.09678054Greek_Crete
0.09733181Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.09900182Greek_Izmir
0.09969443Greek_Laconia
0.10007655Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.10146914Greek_Corinthia
0.10152149Greek_Crete_Chania
0.10171868Greek_East_Taygetos
0.10194405Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.10201295Greek_Argolis
0.10253266Greek_Peloponnese
0.10360940Greek_Achaea

Distance to:GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.03417883Greek_Thessaly
0.03682935Greek_Macedonia
0.03809233Albanian
0.03859053Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04079064Romanian
0.04169561Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04241700Greek_Messenia
0.04253053Greek_West_Taygetos
0.04434856Greek_Argolis
0.04464512Greek_Arcadia
0.04510095Greek_Achaea
0.04549666Greek_Elis
0.04598625Greek_Corinthia
0.04732186Greek_Peloponnese
0.04771796Greek_East_Taygetos
0.04779804Serbian
0.04851138Greek_Laconia
0.05037076Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.05310307Italian_Molise
0.05600328Greek_Izmir
0.05730408Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.05900938Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.05975311Italian_Apulia
0.06041934Greek_Apulia
0.06232352Italian_Basilicata
0.06251249Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.06283343Sicilian_West
0.06537395Sicilian_East
0.06695425Italian_Campania
0.06718373Greek_Cyclades_Tinos

Distance to:GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.02431119Greek_Thessaly
0.02861037Albanian
0.02912989Greek_Messenia
0.02997666Greek_Arcadia
0.03013658Greek_Argolis
0.03049210Greek_Achaea
0.03135567Greek_Macedonia
0.03143920Greek_East_Taygetos
0.03167704Greek_Corinthia
0.03178996Greek_West_Taygetos
0.03186725Greek_Elis
0.03193732Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03201528Greek_Peloponnese
0.03207900Greek_Laconia
0.03417274Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.03444402Italian_Molise
0.03697060Italian_Apulia
0.03922182Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.03990854Greek_Izmir
0.04010745Greek_Apulia
0.04095838Italian_Basilicata
0.04195290Sicilian_West
0.04325503Sicilian_East
0.04393710Italian_Campania
0.04491046Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04495766Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.04602852Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.04622659Greek_Deep_Mani
0.04910749Italian_Calabria
0.04954411Greek_Cyclades_Tinos

Distance to:GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA
0.06193076Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.06301511Greek_Dodecanese
0.06381044Greek_Kos
0.06495474Italian_Calabria
0.06501295Greek_Deep_Mani
0.06538674Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.06665753Italian_Campania
0.06753112AJF
0.06755638Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.06828835Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.06837493Greek_Apulia
0.06868963Italian_Apulia
0.06905756Italian_Basilicata
0.07049827Sicilian_East
0.07054026Greek_Crete
0.07072350Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.07447896Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.07569450Italian_Molise
0.07578048Greek_Izmir
0.07617068Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07808867Greek_Crete_Chania
0.07827615Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.07897847Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.08040213Sicilian_West
0.08053980Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.08077109Greek_Laconia
0.08157686Greek_Cappadocia
0.08238268Greek_Corinthia
0.08279123Greek_East_Taygetos
0.08314791Greek_Argolis

Distance to:GRC_Kastrouli_Anc
0.05787657Italian_Campania
0.05848890Greek_Apulia
0.05882399Italian_Basilicata
0.05912097Greek_Deep_Mani
0.05933861Italian_Calabria
0.05992688Italian_Apulia
0.06057585Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.06105774Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.06159812Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.06187028Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.06229563Greek_Izmir
0.06233866Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.06263385Italian_Molise
0.06292498Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.06300167Greek_Kos
0.06349317Sicilian_East
0.06641152Greek_Crete
0.06659959Greek_Corinthia
0.06694642Greek_Dodecanese
0.06820953Greek_Laconia
0.06834318Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.06861502Greek_Peloponnese
0.06883271Greek_Crete_Chania
0.06883898Greek_Argolis
0.06928648Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.06986354Greek_East_Taygetos
0.06996732Greek_Achaea
0.06999020Sicilian_West
0.07050459Greek_Elis
0.07065507AJF


These are using all the scaled ones.
 
I don't trust using averages very much, so I ran my husband against all the ancient Greek samples to see if there would be a difference. Only one came in a little closer.

Distance to:AJF
0.03404072GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13517
0.04572638GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
0.04650141GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19366
0.04886789GRC_Palace_of_Nestor_EIA:I19368
0.04942272GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13506
0.05101253GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13514
0.05181903GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.05660130GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15571
0.05711290GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I13518
0.05722487GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
0.05883097GRC_Marathon_Rom:I7833
0.06402122GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13577
0.06465211GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I16709
0.06513980GRC_Mycenaean:I9006
0.06765601GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.06898082GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA:I19364
0.06941901GRC_Mycenaean_Attica_BA:I15582
0.07065507GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962
0.07252656GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.07390660GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3920
0.07479863GRC_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA:Kou01
0.07721725GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
0.07912090GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras:pta08
0.08315191GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0071
0.08361648GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA:I13578
0.08674779GRC_Manika_Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.08790764GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0074
0.09003262GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0073
0.09265051GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.09274473GRC_Minoan_Zakros_BA:I14916
 
For a better understanding of Logkas 2 and 4 I added Northern and Central Italian coordinates.

Distance to:GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.02368158Italian_Tuscany
0.02431119Greek_Thessaly
0.02540433Italian_Lombardy
0.02632281Italian_Marche
0.02691930Italian_Emilia
0.02858172Italian_Umbria
0.02861037Albanian
0.02884804Italian_Piedmont
0.02912989Greek_Messenia
0.02922166Italian_Liguria
0.02997666Greek_Arcadia
0.03013658Greek_Argolis
0.03049210Greek_Achaea
0.03135567Greek_Macedonia
0.03143920Greek_East_Taygetos
0.03167704Greek_Corinthia
0.03178996Greek_West_Taygetos
0.03186725Greek_Elis
0.03193732Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03201528Greek_Peloponnese
0.03207900Greek_Laconia
0.03208233Italian_Bergamo
0.03248308Angela
0.03417274Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.03444402Italian_Molise
0.03696799Italian_Veneto
0.03697060Italian_Apulia
0.03846480Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03922182Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.03990854Greek_Izmir

Distance to:RC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.03417883Greek_Thessaly
0.03682935Greek_Macedonia
0.03721551Italian_Emilia
0.03808333Italian_Northeast
0.03809233Albanian
0.03859053Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03866564Italian_Piedmont
0.04077091Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04079064Romanian
0.04091185Italian_Veneto
0.04104217Italian_Tuscany
0.04148815Italian_Lombardy
0.04169561Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04180854Italian_Bergamo
0.04200219Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04241700Greek_Messenia
0.04253053Greek_West_Taygetos
0.04268138Italian_Liguria
0.04434856Greek_Argolis
0.04464512Greek_Arcadia
0.04510095Greek_Achaea
0.04549666Greek_Elis
0.04598625Greek_Corinthia
0.04732186Greek_Peloponnese
0.04748835Italian_Marche
0.04771796Greek_East_Taygetos
0.04777273Angela
0.04779804Serbian
0.04851138Greek_Laconia
0.04897483Italian_Umbria
 
Frankly, I think his G25 calculator is flawed in terms of the components it uses which makes the coordinates within and of themselves flawed. Maybe more for some particular ancestries more than others.

For example, It seems to make Minoans more "North" than they should be, and south Italians more "South" in relation to them. Which is absolutely wrong, if you look at virtually every single academic PCA created that projects them.
 

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