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These calculator look too over-fitted at default distances. Calculating at 0.25x ADC seems to yield the best fits for me.

K13 Modern:

Target: dosas_K13_up
19.6 Greek_Cappadocian
13.8 Greek_Trabzon

9.10488331 Greek_Chios
9.66534014 Greek_Istanbul
9.76451740 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
11.47607511 Turk_Central_West
11.92930006 Greek_Andros_Island
11.98338016 Central_Greek
12.17818952 Greek_Cappadocian
Greek_Symi
Symi, population 3000 which population were internal immigrants from the ottoman times as in most of the agean islands(due to the trade privilages they had, legacy of which is the greek shipowners today that controll 20-25% of the global merchant fleet)
Andros, population 10 0000 , same as the above.
Istanbul, the melting pot of greeks from all over the Ottoman empire.
Cappadocian? How? Where did they find any.There might quite a few pure Pontic, but cappadocians?
Macedonia which was ethnically cleansed(as thrace was)from 60% of its native greek(mainly grecophone muslim) population(was among the areas which were heavily islamized, as Thrace was) and the only Greeks with 4 grandparents from the region(yet alone 8 great grandparents) are probably heavily consentrated in the mountainous villages near the borders that were traditionally slavophone or bilingual, thus distort abysmally the genetic profile of the entire region if they are overrepresented in the sambles(which they naturally would since most of the rest of the population of MAcedonia after 4-5 generations is mixed with anatolian greeks), not just the current one, but also the one from 200 years ago.
etc etc
See you must take all of these categories and the non scientific genetic methods(of whom y-full dating is one of them) always with a grain of salt.
Unfortunately Gedmatch (although was never known for its standards) allowed internet ''geneticists'' and people with an agenda, to make a mockery of genetic studies.
They should disclose how they sampled the ethnicities , how many samples they took, how they verified them, and what do the admixture categories mean.
At least for the calculators that can be taken seriously like the original k13.
Nevertheless, it's a good indicator of what admixture you have.
What remains to be found is what they mean by each one of the admixture categories.
 
Only a small part of the samples from Raveane 2019 have been uploaded into the G25, because not all Raveane 2019 samples have been released.

Of course these samples are chosen, prepared and uploaded by the creator of the G25, who is the only person who can do it. Therefore the accuracy of the averages and the results of the individual samples, both modern and ancient, depend exclusively on Davidski.

Well, maybe one of us should put in the time to get all the samples which have been released, and prepare them for uploading to, say, Dienekes calculators, or make our own.

I'm tired of being held hostage to his choices.

Heavily Turkic Southern Italians makes absolutely no sense.

There's a problem with the Corsican samples too. Nowhere could I find a statement that at least all four grandparents were Corsican, and on top of that they had hundreds of samples and chose a few to give them "geographic distribution"? What kind of methodology is that??? Then to top it off they were "prepared" by Davidski?
 

I don't understand your point. These samples are a mix of academic samples from various papers that disclosed their samples and from non-academic sources that adhere to a paper trail (which can be deceiving, of course, in many circumstances).

Being a mix of a Balkanite father and a Coastal Black Sea mother is reflected on these results, half of my autosomals plot with/close to Northern Greeks, Bulgarians and North Macedonians and the other half with Armenians, Georgians and Ossetians. Neighboring populations share genetics, I don't see what the big deal is.

These results are also matching the maps of relatives I get on 23andme, FTDNA, etc.

I agree with you that these GEDMATCH calculators on VahaduoJ are a bit amateurish compared to the G25 stuff, but it is what is. It can be informative like you said, but one should not take it at face value 100% (I think this also applies to the professional services like 23andme, which re-arrange their categories and their databases once in a while offering fluctuating results).
 
Well, maybe one of us should put in the time to get all the samples which have been released, and prepare them for uploading to, say, Dienekes calculators, or make our own.

Which is the name of the sample you are referring to, Angela? I can run a quick nmonte with G25 if you want to look at it more carefully.
 
Which is the name of the sample you are referring to, Angela? I can run a quick nmonte with G25 if you want to look at it more carefully.

This is the Corsica sample which now comes up as my first match on the updated K12b. I have no idea if it is from the paper on Corsica, if so how it was chosen from among the samples in the paper or indeed whether the samples chosen were representative of the hundreds in the DiCristoforo paper, whether all four grandparents were Corsican, where it is from geographically in Corsica or anything else.

France_Corsica,4.812,0,2.998,0,39.95,17.762,0.09,0,8.306,0.064,25.994,0.024


This is why I take all of these results with a huge grain of salt.

It's nice of you to offer to analyze it, but part of my problem is that if it comes from G25 it was chosen by Davidski for who knows what reason. I have no confidence that it's representative of Corsica at all.

That's why it would be nice if someone else chose and prepared many of these new samples, ancient as well as modern, for uploading.
 
Rs samples dod K12 :

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Vahaduo Dodecad K12b. Source only with ancient samples extract from BAM files(italian and Iberian), posts #298(Jovialis) + #296(Duarte) + #205(Duarte) – My results:

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EMB4RFN.png
 
??? R436 sample # for Dod K12 ??? :)

... thank you :)
 
This is the Corsica sample which now comes up as my first match on the updated K12b. I have no idea if it is from the paper on Corsica, if so how it was chosen from among the samples in the paper or indeed whether the samples chosen were representative of the hundreds in the DiCristoforo paper, whether all four grandparents were Corsican, where it is from geographically in Corsica or anything else.

France_Corsica,4.812,0,2.998,0,39.95,17.762,0.09,0,8.306,0.064,25.994,0.024


This is why I take all of these results with a huge grain of salt.

It's nice of you to offer to analyze it, but part of my problem is that if it comes from G25 it was chosen by Davidski for who knows what reason. I have no confidence that it's representative of Corsica at all.

That's why it would be nice if someone else chose and prepared many of these new samples, ancient as well as modern, for uploading.

Angela, the co-ords you posted are not G25 co-ords. These VahaduoJ GEDMATCH calculators are not maintained by neither Davidski nor Dienekes, as far as I know, but they are rather being updated by the enthusiast community (I know for sure that poster Kaspias from The Apricity has uploaded a lot of Turkish and Pomak samples).

So they are not related to the G25 project, again, as far as I know. I understand your reservations, I don't particularly trust some of the samples that have been uploaded, either.
 
Vahaduo Dodecad K12b. Source only with ancient samples extract from BAM files(italian and Iberian), posts #298(Jovialis) + #296(Duarte) + #205(Duarte) – My results:

KhGUinO.png

EMB4RFN.png

with your additions............mine below

Distance to:torziok12b
1.89726118Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R55
2.57738938Italy_FriuliVG
2.91721398Italy_Veneto
3.15360272Italy_Piedmont
4.32371831Italy_Trentino
4.63928874Late_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R105
4.65249395IA_Civitavecchia_R474
4.86300319IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
4.95979838Imperial_Rome_Mausoleo_Augusto_R33
5.21059138Swiss_Italian
5.62034319Italy_Lombardy
6.33094275Italy_Liguria
6.64383556Italy_Emilia
6.96106620Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.79092421GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
7.86207988Vasconic_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R110
7.88022842Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R61
8.00853232Italy_Tuscany
8.04563857LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110
9.21592643GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851
9.36527629Gallo_Roman_Mix_Crypta_Balbi_R108
9.92698343Italy_Romagna
10.18906767Albanian_North
10.41393778RomanCarthagoMixIberia_I8475
10.43786377Albanian_Kosovo



70.6Late_Medieval_Villa_Magna_Italy_R5513.4Italy_FriuliVG11.4Italy_Veneto4.2VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032



R55
mtDNA: J2b1a
Y-DNA: G-Z30771



I12032
mtDNA: C4a1a+195
Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1
 
??? R436 sample # for Dod K12 ??? :)

... thank you :)

@Salento
IA_Latin_Roman_R437,5.89,0.00,2.61,0.00,32.88,11.52,0.00,0.00,11.42,0.47,34.68,0.53

R437 on Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet - Vahaduo default:
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@Salento
IA_Latin_Roman_R437,5.89,0.00,2.61,0.00,32.88,11.52,0.00,0.00,11.42,0.47,34.68,0.53

R437 on Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet - Vahaduo default:
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@Salento
oops. I post R437 and you ask for R436. My fault. Sorry:sad-2: R436.bam has 4GB and my computer pointed a download of ~1 hour. You must be wait until I can post the final results converted to Dodecad K12b.
 
Mine Dodecad k12b, combining ancient Italic + Iberian + imperial roman + Late Roman/Middle age + Collegno and Szólád samples :)

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??? R436 sample # for Dod K12 ??? :)

... thank you :)

@Salento:
Now, the right sample. The sample asked by you - R436:

RomanImperialPalestrina_R436,9.14,0.00,1.72,0.34,26.42,13.43,0.32,0.00,12.19,0.11,35.95,0.38

R436 on Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet - Vahaduo default:
zVfbqkM.png
 
@Salento
oops. I post R437 and you ask for R436. My fault. Sorry:sad-2: R436.bam has 4GB and my computer pointed a download of ~1 hour. You must be wait until I can post the final results converted to Dodecad K12b.
I have all of the Antonio M. et al 2019 sample BAMs downloaded, and archeological and historical references identified. Now it is just a matter of extracting the BAM files into usable raw data, and writing the Dodecad K12b coordinates.
 
@Salento:
Now, the right sample. The sample asked by you - R436:
RomanImperialPalestrina_R436,9.14,0.00,1.72,0.34,26.42,13.43,0.32,0.00,12.19,0.11,35.95,0.38
R436 on Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet - Vahaduo default:
zVfbqkM.png

Thanks Duarte :)

dod K12 updated + Ancient:
(Romans, Iberians, SZ, and CL)

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Ancient only:
k9BIxLx.jpg


... Iberians start around #30 ...
 
Top 30 dod K 12 - R only:

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Mine Dodecad k12b, combining ancient Italic + Iberian + imperial roman + Late Roman/Middle age + Collegno and Szólád samples :)

80995907_1840106459456184_2741882537373597696_n.png


81365962_455169198758171_6120213622388948992_n.png

running mine with same additions as yourself ........................clearly the lombard/hungarian samples seem to have a hold of my line

Distance to:Torziok12b
2.57738938Italy_FriuliVG
2.91721398Italy_Veneto
3.15360272Italy_Piedmont
4.32371831Italy_Trentino
4.65249395IA_Civitavecchia_R474
4.82277928CL23
4.86300319IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
5.21059138Swiss_Italian
5.62034319Italy_Lombardy
6.00532264SZ28
6.33094275Italy_Liguria
6.60955369CL49
6.64383556Italy_Emilia
6.93799683CL94
6.96106620Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.62312272CL57
7.70831369CL36
7.72828571CL47
7.93197958SZ45
8.00853232Italy_Tuscany
8.04563857LA_Crypta_Balbi_R110
8.04854024SZ43
8.12515231SZ27
9.50909039CL102
9.57848631SZ18
 
Mine.

Vahaduo Dodecad 12b only ancient (Italians, Iberians, CL, SZ, FN_2):
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Vahaduo Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet, default, more all ancients (Italians, Iberians, CL, SZ, FN_2):
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