GEDMatch HarappaWorld Gedmatch, post and compare your admixtures to ancient and contemporary.

Thanks Pratt. I'll try to add few ancient samples for reference next time.

LeBrok said:

Thanks Pratt. I'll try to add few ancient samples for reference next time.

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I recall you mentioning me and my fathers kits shifted towards sardinia and greece. Could you include my living dna results and see how it differs?

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Mediterranean	29.7
2	Caucasian	28.32
3	NE-Euro	26.35
4	SW-Asian	9.72
5	Baloch	5.52
6	Beringian	0.39

Dibran said:

I recall you mentioning me and my fathers kits shifted towards sardinia and greece. Could you include my living dna results and see how it differs?

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Mediterranean	29.7
2	Caucasian	28.32
3	NE-Euro	26.35
4	SW-Asian	9.72
5	Baloch	5.52
6	Beringian	0.39

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I don't see any significant change.

Here is an update. Added Germany, Sweden, Norway, Saami and important ancient samples. Whole database is split into 4 parts, West Europe, East Europe, Near East and Ancient.

new updated PCAs.


with ancient samples















without ancient samples

Pratt said:

new updated PCAs.


with ancient samples

without ancient samples

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Excellent work. Thank you.

Lots of food for thought there.

Hungary Bronze Age, which so often shows up when looking at Italian genetics is very close to Germany South. Since Remedello, Northern Italy moved a bit "north", Tuscany a bit "south", but the real movement has been "east".

Does Greece Ionia refer to the Ionian islands off the west coast of Mainland Greece or Ionian Greece in antiquity?

Angela said:

Excellent work. Thank you.

Lots of food for thought there.

Hungary Bronze Age, which so often shows up when looking at Italian genetics is very close to Germany South. Since Remedello, Northern Italy moved a bit "north", Tuscany a bit "south", but the real movement has been "east".

Does Greece Ionia refer to the Ionian islands off the west coast of Mainland Greece or Ionian Greece in antiquity?

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Modern Ionian Sea Greek islands.

LeBrok said:

Modern Ionian Sea Greek islands.

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Thanks, LeBrok...

Interesting: on the PCA they appear to be the closest Greek population to South Italy/Sicily, yes? In the Greek dna paper the Peloponnese, which is also across the Ionian Sea from those parts of Italy, was the closest population to Sicily. Of course, this could just be coincidence based on a small sample size, but interesting none the less. Those Greek islands might have been relatively insulated from Slavic genetic flow in the early Middle Ages.

LeBrok, are there any decent ancient Cardial samples from southern areas? As you said, it would be great if a Greek Neolithic sample was available too.

It would be interesting to compare them both to the Greek samples from relatively isolated areas and to Italy South and Sicily samples, especially Italy South because you don't have any confounding Medieval Berber or Levantine/Arabian admixture.

Angela said:

LeBrok, are there any decent ancient Cardial samples from southern areas? As you said, it would be great if a Greek Neolithic sample was available too.

It would be interesting to compare them both to the Greek samples from relatively isolated areas and to Italy South and Sicily samples, especially Italy South because you don't have any confounding Medieval Berber or Levantine/Arabian admixture.

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Maybe this one is from Spain:



It is somewhat different than the guys from Central Europe, but still in the family. It is shifted towards Mediterranean, classic for Spain and Italy. It bares no relation to Levant Neolithic which is very high in SW Asian, and much lower Med.

Phoenician?

LeBrok said:

Maybe this one is from Spain:

M471235	I0412		M405327	I1506 NE1	M572125	I0054
Spain, Els Trocs	7kya		Hungary, Polgár-Ferenci-hát	7.2kya		Stuttgart	LBK
Run time	5.2		Run time	19.95		Run time	8.99
S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-
Baloch	-		Baloch	-		Baloch	-
Caucasian	13.46		Caucasian	28.27		Caucasian	30.6
NE-Euro	7.07		NE-Euro	12.13		NE-Euro	7.82
SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-
Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-
Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-
American	-		American	-		American	-
Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-
Mediterranean	72.28		Mediterranean	45.75		Mediterranean	49.46
SW-Asian	7.08		SW-Asian	13.45		SW-Asian	12.01
San	-		San	-		San	0.11
E-African	-		E-African	-		E-African	-
Pygmy	0.11		Pygmy	0.05		Pygmy	-
W-African	-		W-African	0.35		W-African	-

It is somewhat different than the guys from Central Europe, but still in the family. It is shifted towards Mediterranean, classic for Spain and Italy. It bares no relation to Levant Neolithic which is very high in SW Asian, and much lower Med.

M115616	I0867
Levant Neolithic
Run time	9.93
S-Indian	-
Baloch	-
Caucasian	25.97
NE-Euro	-
SE-Asian	0.07
Siberian	-
NE-Asian	0.06
Papuan	-
American	-
Beringian	-
Mediterranean	32.53
SW-Asian	39.86
San	-
E-African	1.52
Pygmy	-
W-African	-

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Thanks, LeBroc

Interesting that Cardial has less SWAsian, and less "Caucasian", but much more Mediterranean than the others.

Also interesting that South Italians and Sicilians today have the same amount of SW Asian today as Stuttgart and Hungary Neolithic had thousands of years ago. Quite a coincidence if that's what it is.

Wow! Mr Levant Neolithic is the king of southern-ness...
.25 Caucasus, .32 mediterranran, .39 percent sw asian? Nobody scores at least .25 across all three of these components. Ancient samples can be fascinating

Angela said:

Thanks, LeBroc

Interesting that Cardial has less SWAsian, and less "Caucasian", but much more Mediterranean than the others.

Also interesting that South Italians and Sicilians today have the same amount of SW Asian today as Stuttgart and Hungary Neolithic had thousands of years ago. Quite a coincidence if that's what it is.

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So far I can't explain it in another way that genetic drift. Some Caucasian admixture have changed into Med.

davef said:

Wow! Mr Levant Neolithic is the king of southern-ness...
.25 Caucasus, .32 mediterranran, .39 percent sw asian? Nobody scores at least .25 across all three of these components. Ancient samples can be fascinating

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maybe nat-geno old tests for phoenician ( north levant admixture )

Ancient maritime traders of the Mediterranean may have left behind a large genetic footprint in the region, where 1 in 17 men still harbors Phoenician DNA, according to a new study.

The findings could fill a gap in the history of the Phoenician civilization, which originated two to three thousand years ago in the eastern Mediterranean—in what is now Lebanon and Syria—and included prominent traders, according to Chris Tyler-Smith, lead author and associate researcher at National Geographic Society's Genographic Project. (The National Geographic Society owns National Geographic News.)
Genetics gives an alluring clue. The Lebanese, the descendants of the Phoenicians, cluster with the Northern Middle East (along with Kurds and Armenians). This is significant because both Kurds and Armenians are Indo-Iranian groups—nations that speak Indo-European languages (not Semitic ones).


revealed that north-levant peoples came from the north of the zargos mountains and the south-levant came from negrev/North-east africa .............the admixture "war" happened in modern south lebanon

It fits with the late bronze age hittite empire of the levant

Thanks to Mlukas, we have two decent quality Neolithic Greek samples. Seems that Geek Neolithic wasn't much different from the rest of Balkans and West Anatolia. This is from Zuzana Hofmanova paper.
http://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886.abstract

First one is Early Neolithic from mainland Greece, the other is Late Neolithic from close by. Third sample is from Barcin Anatolia, forth is from EN Hungary. We can see that Greek samples plot between them, and generally in group of Anatolian and European Neolithic samples.


The late Neolithic Greek is almost identical to Barcin Anatolia, though 2ky younger. It just has 3 point more of NE Euro, which is understandable going deeper into WHG country. However, the EN Greek is a bit peculiar with much less Caucasian and interestingly 7.56% of West African. Some W African in ancient european samples is noise but not 7 percent. I believe it must be due to this sample being a bit small, which can affect admixture proportions. Unless someone has alternative explanation?

7.56% West African?

opulation
S-Indian -
Baloch 8.07
Caucasian 25.87
NE-Euro 28.30
SE-Asian 0.12
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American 0.19
Beringian -
Mediterranean 28.61
SW-Asian 8.81
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

New Englander said:

7.56% West African?

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I added a comment at the end of that post.

LM22 said:

opulation
S-Indian -
Baloch 8.07
Caucasian 25.87
NE-Euro 28.30
SE-Asian 0.12
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American 0.19
Beringian -
Mediterranean 28.61
SW-Asian 8.81
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

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Thanks, are you Gheg Albanian?