As it has already been written the theory with slavs coming from somewhere in Balkans is just a forgery of some from Byzantine Empire.
This is proved very simple,if you look in which countries a slavic language is spoke and you include Romania,since in Romania is spoken also a slavic language,at least as phonology (sonority) which is included when you make a clasification over a language.
Now except Hungary and Austria,the zone in which slavic languages are spoken forms a continuum which proves very very clear the forgery with slavs coming from somewhere.
Take the popular costume from Czechia,for example,the popular costume from Doudlesbko,how the jacket from male popular costume is called there?
Bunda.
http://www.czech.cz/en/Discover-CZ/Lifestyle-in-the-Czech-Republic/Tradition/Folk-costumes
"A “
bunda” or short or long
jacket was worn with the costume and a fur coat was worn in winter".
Now in romanian language,an exactly similar term exist :
http://dexonline.ro/definitie/bundă
What does this means?
Between other meanings is also used to call the jacket from male popular costumes.
This shows again clearly that the term
thracians,when used to tell that they were most numerous after
indians in those times is refering to
slavs.
I2A din did not came from anywhere,is just a slavic haplogrup,that is more present in south slavs which are same with
dacians.
Howcan someone explain the presence of I2A din in Hungary,in Czechia,Slovakia,Hungary,Poland in pretty significant percentages?
Please include Romania and Republic of Moldavia to this map and see what happens,as south slavic countries,considering the resemblances in words,popular costumes,popular customs,the fact that first written romanian document was in slavonic alphabet and so on.
E-V13 is ilyrian-greek (no ideea if it is greek or ilyrian) haplogrup as origin,but is pretty present in south slavs (dacians) also.However,as you move north the presence of E-V13 decrease.
In Albania there are also very good resemblances in popular costumes,in popular customs,words and so on with Romania.
How can someone explain the fact that I2A din forms a continuum and in this continuum slavic languages are spoken,except Hungary and Austria?
Friend plz
Stop connecting modern costumes and tradition of Slavic with ancient Thracians
Slavic culture exist for 1500 years in Balkans and assimilated older Thraciian
I repeat my even great Linguist altough they accept that there is a Slavic connection an Albanian connection and the Grco Brygian connection they Deny that Slavs = Thracians or Albanians = Thracians or Greeks = Thracians
if Slavic population existed in the times of Herodotus or other ancient Greeks or even at STrabo times they would be named as Slavs all ancient Writers and Roman Historicals and Byzantine etc were not so Stupid.
Thracian culture and Language stop to exist,
1 cause thracian moved,
2 cause Thracian got assimilated when they were Conquered
3 cause Christianity did damage to them as to all other ancient cultures,
cause they got Slavicised or Romanised or Turkish etc
the case of Pomaks in Greece (Tamrash Valley and not the Muslim Slavs) which is area of total isolation
shows 2 major thinks,
South Thracian had Meditterenean autosomal (and east mediterenean major carriers)
Thracians spoke a language that sounds like Slavic but it is not like the known SLavic cause follows other forms and syntax and has root words that are more close to Makedonian dialect,
from the Kallasha we learn transformation and aspirations and I inform the ending -s is not -c
now if today modern Slavic are the second biggest nation that does not mean they were at 400 BC
the writen that are found in Balkans and are in Thracian Language can not be explained by Slavic Language
neither by Greek neither another IE modern Language
THAT IS A PROOVE not an evidence
now still I do not understand what you are trying to prove,
That Slavs and Thracian are the same?
Then why until roman times and after they Used Greek Alphabet and After SLAVIC Devastasion to SOuTH they Change?
why Greek Alphabet for more than 1200 years was used by Thracians and suddenly they decide to change it?
and Bring a new one made in Moravia?
Thracians at 500 AD had 1200 years of using Greek Alphabet and 500 years of Roman-Latin Alphabet
they already accepted Christianity,
WHY THEY ASK FOR NEW ALPHABET 1200 yeas after? AND WHY THEY WERE BAPTISED since in Church chronicles Christianity existed in Balkans already for 500 years,
cause Slavic did not have alphabet (
maybe they had Runic) and did not know about Christianity at that time
cause they came from North (Serbs) and East(Severi) and had with them a Huno-ugric tribe as ally (Bulgars etc)
just search how many ancient Thracian written we have and we can not explain them and how man Scythian? (maybe second is 0)
All efforts by Bulgarians Greeks Romanians Baltic etc give a small vocabullary about Thracian which is rejected when we find another,
So many Thracologists and yet we can not reconstruct their language,
cause they try the same, they find dew toponyms and words which might be and start a theory and when another one from another country brings new evidence the theory is rejected or drop,
a good example is the Persian God Methras which means a stone-earth god
in Greek a stone that we throw is μυδρος and the Thracian god was μηθρας
as you see it follows its own phonetic laws
I made an error on the thread with thracians,in old sagas Odinn is told be to trojan,not thracian,a prince from Troy.
Thracians are said to have been allied with trojans,but not trojans.
In Sarmisegetuza was found an old colored mosaic (which is now destroyed,but there is some reproduction made after it which survived) depicting a scene from Trojan War.
Which can be explained by the fact that dacians were also allied with Troy.
However,that does not makes thracians and dacians same with trojans,since Troy was where is today Turkey,on the east coast of Black Sea (where is today Turkey),while Trakia was where is today Bulgaria.So trojans and thracians were living in different places.
A part of Ex-Yugoslavia was named those days "Dacia Ripensis" another part "Dacia mediteraneea" and so on,while most of Ex-Yugoslavia was named those days "Diocesse of Dacia" while most of today Bulgaria was name "Diocesse of Thrace".
The map can be seen at a larger dimension at :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Balkans_6th_century.svg/1000px-Balkans_6th_century.svg.png
I can not attach here at a decent dimension so you can see what is written on the map.
Which shows that croatians,serbs,bosnians are also dacian populations which is pretty clear if you do not deny the amazing resemblance with romanian popular costumes and with how dacians are represented on Trajan's column.
There is no such a popular costume in Kalasha!
This is old dacian costume!
There are no similar words between Kalasha and romanians/serbian/croatian /bulgarian!
Yes but Kallasha have the ancient ritual of Balkans and the same acts (the wolf the bear the satyrs or pagans the bride the priest the police man etc) the one that Greeks did it mainly from Christmans until Xanthos month (late february until 10 of march)
and Thracians did it at the Bakhus festival days (february to march)
the one that call as Slavic ones
remember Βακχος and Bog have connection but is not same Language,
( I don't know in case of dialect)
I wonder how Kallasha have the same rituals but not the same costumes with Slavs?
maybe cause these rituals were more ancient? lets say Makedonian (skiadion-hat)? Thracian?
Another prove or evidence is the how long are the proto words,
Slavic language has the tense to avoid vowel and uses mainly non vowels,
that is typical that comes from a colder climate than Balkans
If I speak with many vowels I lose warm air from my body,
if I speak with less vowels I keep warm inside of me,
that is why more southern languages use so many vowels and North so many non vowels sounds,
listen to an African and then listen to a North Russian, you realise what I mean,
Besides my basic arguement is that many are told as Proves are just evidence,
I mean that if I2 could be slavic but could also be Thracian,
now the time in History, the diversity laws etc will help us more to realize what is going on,
the more the searches the more the evidence the more we reach truth,
just consider that if I2a2 is from Central Europe and Germanic, then?
if I2a2 din is from ucraine then?
if I2a2 is local Balkanic from 1200 BC then?
many times I am troubled when use HG as a tool to search and not as tool to claim Nation purity etc
I learn that here in this forum.
thanks to the patience of the moderators
Hitler and Napoleon were E-V13
I do not deny that I2a2 might be Slavic and imported in 600 AD or Thracians or germanic, or earlier or younger
simply I put my argue so as the final result to be a clear prove and not an evidence, that doubts to be the little that can be.
the least is that if the word Slav existed in ancient times (before 1rst century) then surely many writers would have written about it.
yet we do no find that words neither as Nations neither as tribes etc until much after, only some toponyms mostly ending in -dava etc
I agree that wolf culture of Dacians passed to modern Romanians and Serbs
But i do not agree that it is imported by Slavs,
The Draco exist also in Greece in minor asia etc,
but exist in Russia in Poland etc ?
compare draco with νομοι Δρακοντα and δρακοσπιτα and virb δραττομαι- δραττω - δρω
surnames that connected with wolf do not mean something
Search Greeks
Αυτολυκος (ancient name famous thief)
Λυκαων
even in modern exist many
in aromani exist the luppis in many surnames
what does that mean?
is it a prove?
By toponyms and their meaning Greek Thracologist find that white in Thracian language was
Πελεκος ορ
πελεκας
simmilar word existed in minor asian Greek as Βελλεκος
so in Greek becomes Λευκος in Slavic Bjalo Bello etc
in western European languages becomes pale
another example
the Attic Greek for a water spring was φρεαρ and the tap is Κρηνις or κρουνος
then how come modern Greeks and especially the Kon/polis used the word βρυση
the answer comes from Hesychius
Makedonians call the Sping as Βρουαρ Vruar and Thracians as βρuα broussa or Vrousa or Vryasa
so that is why at the times of Justinian we first find the word νιπτηρας and
βρυση
another from the Brygian language we know that water was neither Υδωρ neither Voda but Edu
Another is Thracian word for bull was βολινθρος a word that fits with Bulgarian Bol
Another is the word for major builder (architect) καλαφατης (compare Greek Καλος -Καλα Celtic or Latin je Fais which becomes fa or fat)
compare Greek κλινη (clinic after Greek bed) and Thracian word for bed which is κραββατος (κρεββατος) which fits!!!! with the riverbed in Baltic Languages
Compare Dacian Balaur , what it means and with which modern language we can explain it
word for Bread in Thracian is Bekos which fits well with Germanic baker-backwaren and Serbian pekara but does not fit with hleb or khleb or khliyab
As you connection of Thracians with modern Slavic is not correct at least in Linguistic, neither with another IE linguistic family,
if Thracian = Slavic or Slavic dialect then we could explain many of the written, yet there are inscriptions that cannot be explained,
so let me put in another way
Romanians Serbs etc have thracian DNA
but Thracians maybe had not Slavic DNA
so I am still waiting for Sparkey to be sure and claim that. as also new searches to be done
besides the second most numerous at that time could be a family of languages dialects surely not Celts cause Greeks names them and distinguish them from Thracian, but they could be para Germans or a middle one a missing link among east Germanic Goths and Balto-Slavic