(NEW) GenePlaza K25 and K29 Modern Calculator Results

selectivememri said:
here are my results kind of bizarre, lost about 30% greek, now its sardinian and sicilian and my mysterious northern euro (i get about a combined 4% west europe/scandinavia/finland in ancestry) has gone up even more. always fun to learn new things about myself!

EUROPEAN95.8%
  • EASTERN EUROPEAN47.6%
    • Southern Slavic46.5%
    • Baltic1.1%
    • Eastern Slavic0.0%

  • NORTHERN EUROPEAN27.6%
    • Northwest European27.6%
    • Scandinavian0.0%

  • SOUTHERN EUROPEAN20.6%
    • Sardinian-Sicilian20.6%
    • Greek-Albanian0.0%
    • Southwest European0.0%
ASIAN4.2%
  • WEST ASIAN4.2%
    • Caucasian3.4%
    • West Asian0.8%
    • Southwest Asian0.0%
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Noticed this with alot of South Slavs on Apricity. Alot of their Greek-Albanian got split to either Sicilian or Southwest Euro
 
@Dibran, i wonder if the sample pool skewed the results? considering our parents are distant cousins you'd think i'd either have some greek/albanian or you'd have some of this northwest euro or something!
 
selectivememri said:
@Dibran, i wonder if the sample pool skewed the results? considering our parents are distant cousins you'd think i'd either have some greek/albanian or you'd have some of this northwest euro or something!
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Maybe its through my father. He scores Sardinian-Sicilian(16 percent). Being hes from Diber, near the border of Macedonia, his line would be likely. He also scores a little east slavic. My results before the update had south slavic as well. It completely fell off for me and my mom(100 percent Greek-Albanian), and for my father his new results were(81% Greek-Albanian, 16% Sardinian-Sicilian, and 3-4% East Slavic)
 
that makes sense, it is through your father i believe, our shared ancestry must be hiding in this wild sardinian-sicilian category!
 
olov said:
I got 0.0% scandinavian and im from northern scandinavia! Instead i got 62.3% northwest european and those numbers i usually get on other calculators for scandinavian.
The baltic at 26.3% looks right.
The other numbers i got where 10.1% central asian and 1.3% siberian & amerindian which i get on other calculators in various numbers. So a big miss on the scandinavian with this calculator.
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That's curios indeed, what are your total results?
 
EUROPEAN88.6%
NORTHERN EUROPEAN62.3%
Northwest European62.3%
Scandinavian0.0%
EASTERN EUROPEAN26.3%
Baltic26.3%
Eastern Slavic0.0%
Southern Slavic0.0%
SOUTHERN EUROPEAN0.0%
Greek-Albanian0.0%
Sardinian-Sicilian0.0%
Southwest European0.0%

ASIAN10.1%
CENTRAL ASIAN10.1%
Bashkirs5.0%
Tatars2.7%
Turkmens2.4%
Uzbek & Uyghur0.0%
Kazak & Kirgiz0.0%
Tajikistani0.0%
WEST ASIAN0.0%
Caucasian0.0%
Southwest Asian0.0%
West Asian0.0%
SC/S ASIAN0.0%
South Central Asian0.0%
Indian0.0%
EAST-SOUTHEAST ASIAN0.0%
East Asian0.0%
Southeast Asian0.0%

POLAR & SIBERIAN1.0%
Siberian1.0%
Polar0.0%
NATIVE AMERICAN0.3%
South Amerindian0.3%
Central Amerindian0.0%
North Amerindian0.0%
 
Indeed. Im roughly three quarter north swedish and the rest saami and finnish. Also get a small percent from the brittish isles on some calculators.
 
olov said:
I got 0.0% scandinavian and im from northern scandinavia! Instead i got 62.3% northwest european and those numbers i usually get on other calculators for scandinavian.
The baltic at 26.3% looks right.
The other numbers i got where 10.1% central asian and 1.3% siberian & amerindian which i get on other calculators in various numbers. So a big miss on the scandinavian with this calculator.
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I emailed dilawer about the Scandanavian NW European issue. This is what he said:


The Scandanavian cluster is a very weak one as it is represented by only a handful of individuals from public data ( still looking for a good source of samples). This component was very reluctantly included and users are cautioned that there may be considerable overlap between the NW European and Scandanavian clusters as the genetic distance between the two is very low, and many NW Europeans are heavily Scandanavian admixed and visa versa.
A better cluster to have been included in the K29 would have been based on Finns. Here again I did not have sufficient samples and am still searching for a good source of Finn samples.

Therefore Finns will be predominately parsed out as Baltic with some Scandinavian or Northwest European and a little Siberian as shown by the results of these 3 Finnish public samples

Also users are reminded that the most accurate results will be obtained with 23andMe V3 V4 because other data will have less overlap with the markers used in the calculator. normally this would not be a big issue however in this case because many of the European clusters are genetically very proximate to each other, more markers are needed to distinguish neighboring clusters.
Finally users are reminded not to use Gedmatch calculators to gauge the accuracy of this test, as those are inherently much less accurate, and to keep an open mind with regards to paper trails as they don’t go back far enough.

POP Finnish Finnish Finnish
ID HG00171 HG00173 HG00174
Baloch-Brahui 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Greek-Albanian 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Polar 0.00% 0.00% 2.02%
Oceanian 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Southwest Asian 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Eastern Slavic 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Southern Slavic 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Northwest European 0.00% 26.23% 23.25%
West African 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Baltic 87.25% 65.23% 53.38%
Caucasus 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Indian 0.00% 0.00% 1.63%
East African 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
East Asian 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
West Asian 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
South Amerindian 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Kazak- 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Siberian 7.87% 6.88% 2.88%
Tatars 0.00% 0.70% 0.00%
Central Amerindian 0.05% 0.39% 0.00%
Scandanavian 3.61% 0.00% 16.66%
North Amerindian 0.00% 0.56% 0.00%
Bashkir 1.19% 0.00% 0.00%
Sicilian 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Southwest European 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Tajikistani 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Turkmen 0.00% 0.00% 0.16%
Uzbek-Uyghur 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
 
...........
 
olov said:
EUROPEAN88.6%
NORTHERN EUROPEAN62.3%
Northwest European62.3%
Scandinavian0.0%
EASTERN EUROPEAN26.3%
Baltic26.3%
Eastern Slavic0.0%
Southern Slavic0.0%
SOUTHERN EUROPEAN0.0%
Greek-Albanian0.0%
Sardinian-Sicilian0.0%
Southwest European0.0%

ASIAN10.1%
CENTRAL ASIAN10.1%
Bashkirs5.0%
Tatars2.7%
Turkmens2.4%
Uzbek & Uyghur0.0%
Kazak & Kirgiz0.0%
Tajikistani0.0%
WEST ASIAN0.0%
Caucasian0.0%
Southwest Asian0.0%
West Asian0.0%
SC/S ASIAN0.0%
South Central Asian0.0%
Indian0.0%
EAST-SOUTHEAST ASIAN0.0%
East Asian0.0%
Southeast Asian0.0%

POLAR & SIBERIAN1.0%
Siberian1.0%
Polar0.0%
NATIVE AMERICAN0.3%
South Amerindian0.3%
Central Amerindian0.0%
North Amerindian0.0%
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Indeed stays curios from someone from Sweden, especially compared to my families results (North Dutch,) more Scandic (father and I), less Baltic.
And the Central Asian are the Saami results (I guess).

Norrland is genetically different from Southern Scandinavia, and I guess that Kurd used Southern Scandinavian samples.

See this article:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016747#s2
 
olov said:
EUROPEAN88.6%
NORTHERN EUROPEAN62.3%
Northwest European62.3%
Scandinavian0.0%
EASTERN EUROPEAN26.3%
Baltic26.3%
Eastern Slavic0.0%
Southern Slavic0.0%
SOUTHERN EUROPEAN0.0%
Greek-Albanian0.0%
Sardinian-Sicilian0.0%
Southwest European0.0%

ASIAN10.1%
CENTRAL ASIAN10.1%
Bashkirs5.0%
Tatars2.7%
Turkmens2.4%
Uzbek & Uyghur0.0%
Kazak & Kirgiz0.0%
Tajikistani0.0%
WEST ASIAN0.0%
Caucasian0.0%
Southwest Asian0.0%
West Asian0.0%
SC/S ASIAN0.0%
South Central Asian0.0%
Indian0.0%
EAST-SOUTHEAST ASIAN0.0%
East Asian0.0%
Southeast Asian0.0%

POLAR & SIBERIAN1.0%
Siberian1.0%
Polar0.0%
NATIVE AMERICAN0.3%
South Amerindian0.3%
Central Amerindian0.0%
North Amerindian0.0%
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And in addition, the Baltic results could be from Corded Baltic:

CWC from Olsund in Sweden has Balto-Slavic R1a-Z645 and is genetically more similar to Baltic CWC than to German CWC.


“This could indicate that the route of CWC expansion into Northern Sweden might have not been northward from Southern Scandinavia but instead westward across the Baltic Sea either by boat or over the frozen sea during winter”

http://eurogenes.blogspot.nl/2017/03/the-genetic-history-of-northern-europe.html

So may be it's not due to K29 but due to the different genetic genepool of Norrland!?
 
in anthrogenica kurd once explained that the alleles are always assigned to the most dominant cluster but if that cluster is removed it gets assigned to the next dominant cluster, my K25 16% scandinavian also disappeared and assigned to NW in K29 but as kurd said #249 scandinavia seems a weak cluster in the light of NW or the removal of west_slavic (polish/czech) my 8% were than assigned to the next dominant cluster which turned out to be also NW rather than other slavic clusters also the removal of sardinian the vast majority assigned to the next dominant greek-albanian and partial new west-asian so i think thats the insight which clusters are closer/closest to which or the most dominant and view both calcs together and not one on its own, my opinion;
 
Huh, I scored 8.6% Central Asian (all of it Tatar) on the K29 where previously (K25) this was probably lumped into my score for East Slavic and Tajick. I'm 1/8 Finnish and had been trying to figure out where that was hiding. I'm wondering if this is suggesting that my Finn ancestors were mostly Saami? The rest of my ancestry is pretty far removed from that region.
 
Northener said:
And in addition, the Baltic results could be from Corded Baltic:
CWC from Olsund in Sweden has Balto-Slavic R1a-Z645 and is genetically more similar to Baltic CWC than to German CWC.
“This could indicate that the route of CWC expansion into Northern Sweden might have not been northward from Southern Scandinavia but instead westward across the Baltic Sea either by boat or over the frozen sea during winter”
So may be it's not due to K29 but due to the different genetic genepool of Norrland!?
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I knew that we are different from the sothern swedes and that we have much genetic drift upp here in the north, but i was surprised that the calculator could not estimate my data as scandinavian when others can. But now with so small reference numbers i understand it.
Thanks for the links👍
 
@Angela: Can you please change the title of this thread from K25 to K29?
 
My updated results :

Under the old K25 I had :

NORTHERN EUROPEAN 96.5%

- Northwestern European 73.2%
- Scandinavian 23.3%

South Central Asian 1.5%
Balochi, Brahui, Pakistani Parsis

Caucasian 1.4 %

South Amerindian 0.6%

and with the new k29 I get this :

73.3 % Northwest European
20.5 .% Scandinavian
5.6 % Caucasian ( Georgian )
0.7 % South Amerindian

So by changing the Caucasian references from Adygei,Kabardin and Kumyk to Georgian I actually did get a somewhat significant change.My new Georgian category consumed all the former Caucasian components ( or maybe it ditched them , I'm not sure ) and it poached all my Central Asian Balochi and 2.8 % of my Scandinavian component.
 
How odd would anyone think it is to be 1/8 Finnish and score no Baltic on this calculator? As I mentioned in a previous post, it seems to have ended up in Tatar instead... I guess. can't think of any other source that would give me such a high score for that population.
 
Amerijoe said:
Here are my results for Geneplaza K25 & K29.

K25
European. 98.1
NWE. 51.9
Scand. 25.9
W. Slavic. 20.3
C/SC/S Asia. 1.9

K29
European. 91.8
N. Euro. 66.0
Scand. 20.0
E. Slavic. 5.8
Asian. 8.2
Tartars. 7.1
W. Asian. 0.7
Caucasian. 0.4

Here are a few results from the major testing companies.

Ancestry
British. 96, Scandinavian 0
FTDNA
British Isles. 98, Scandinavian 0
23andMe
B&I. 90.8, Scandinavian 1.4
MyHeritage
B&I. 96.5, Scandinavian 0
Livingdna
GB&I. 94.3, Scandinavian 4.6, Kurdish 1.1
Geno 2.0
 GB&I. 97, Arabia 2

Born in Scotland with maternal side an even split between Scottish and Irish. Have traced Mum’s family back to mid 1700’s. Kurd’s analysis indicates a substantial increase over other test results for Scandinavian. The amount of Asian for K29 also seems to be high vs. other results.
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Ah, someone else with an anomalously high Tatar score too. I do wonder what's up with that.
 
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