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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaert View Post
    Stop patronizing other people on this forum.
    You're constantly talking like the headmaster of a school.

    I have an idea. Stop being cruel and vulgar and you will, in consequence, probably never see a reply post from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regulus View Post
    I have an idea. Stop being cruel and vulgar and you will, in conseqence, probably never see a reply post from me.
    Stop patronizing.
    Just shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaert View Post
    Stop patronizing.
    Just shut up.
    What a way to start a nice Saturday-

    It is more than obvious that you are not the dolt that you pretend to be.

    I made my point about how to act among others here.
    I have no choice but to just gloss over the posts you make from this point on.

    Good day to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regulus View Post
    What a way to start a nice Saturday-

    It is more than obvious that you are not the dolt that you pretend to be.

    I made my point about how to act among others here.
    I have no choice but to just gloss over the posts you make from this point on.

    Good day to you.
    You must have studied "The Way to always win a debate" by Schopenhauer very well..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art...ys_Being_Right

    By the way....

    Look up.. The section is named... Europe Forum > General Discussion > Opinions

    You know what opinions are?
    How someone feels about things.
    It doesn't say: Science.

    It's my point and opinion, that the word "race" is outdated by the knowledge we now have.
    Obsolete. Yesterday. Gone forever.

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    What are you saying Reinaert? " We are all one race and one human species", right? But somehow, in your view, European forum is only for Europeans, and you stressed that few times already! What is this, some sort of political racism? If it comes to our views and location, we are not equal and same human beings. What is this?

    On one had you preach equality of races and global village etiquette. With your other hand, you segregate us in subgroups. There are good Europeans and bad Americans. Eupedia is only for Europe. You are the smart and wise, but the rest of us with different point of view, are morons, idiots and CIA agents, and you don't mind publicly slander and accuse. What is this if not a form of hatred, segregation, demeaning superiority? I'm sure, if you had the powers, Regulus and I have been rotting in a concentration camp already.

    Just tone down your comments, Mr. Hypocrite, and treat people like one type of humans, the way you preach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    What are you saying Reinaert? " We are all one race and one human species", right? But somehow, in your view, European forum is only for Europeans, and you stressed that few times already! What is this, some sort of political racism? If it comes to our views and location, we are not equal and same human beings. What is this?

    On one had you preach equality of races and global village etiquette. With your other hand, you segregate us in subgroups. There are good Europeans and bad Americans. Eupedia is only for Europe. You are the smart and wise, but the rest of us with different point of view, are morons, idiots and CIA agents, and you don't mind publicly slander and accuse. What is this if not a form of hatred, segregation, demeaning superiority? I'm sure, if you had the powers, Regulus and I have been rotting in a concentration camp already.

    Just tone down your comments, Mr. Hypocrite, and treat people like one type of humans, the way you preach.
    Haha.. ***** number two.

    I just say, that Americans should come off their warhorse and talk without all the stinging shit they produce.
    You are sucking. You are constantly provoking.

    It must come from a minor value complex I guess.

    You typically use the same debate techniques like American politicians.
    Throw with mud.
    The point is, many ex-Europeans that live in the USA nowadays want to be better Americans than the Americans themselves, and constantly shit their old nest.

    I just hate that.

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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    lol, what political technique did you use now? You didn't answer any questions or connected to issues from my posts, even though you linked to it!
    Instead you wrote something else mostly concentrating on character assassination, spitting on Americans again.

    If you don't agree with my assessment of your personality, let's discuss the issues that you're not agreeing upon. Don't give me (like a rotten politician) a vague general statements of some sort.

    Again, one question at the time this time. Why do your differentiate us, and hatefully segregate people to your likings and dis-likings, if (by you definition) we are same humans, genetically same, one race, no difference what so ever human beings?

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    I make a difference with people that talk with no sense of what the other says.
    And there are two guys, who never seem to read and try to understand what other people write.

    Europe still isn't totally dominated by a FOX like propaganda TV screen.
    We have our own opinions.
    We don't follow automatically what the media tell us.

    If you do that in the USA and Canada, than it's your problem.
    Try to think for yourself.
    And stop citing from outdated history books.

    And yes!! The Brits and Americans did more than enough backstabbing in European history to call them anti-European. We, the Dutch, have even a government of idiots that support the British and American colonialism. Licking Obama's ass.
    Why? Those guys have a major interest in American oil industry.

    And Dutch taxpayers bleed, just like American and British taxpayers for the private wars of those morons!

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    To answer the original question, I think that racism and fascism can be categorically set aside as "always wrong"--that is, there are no circumstances where racism or fascism proper are morally right. On the other hand, separatism can be "sometimes right." I can go into further detail but suspect that none of that is controversial. Separatism, I feel, must be justified by supermajority support of the region (majority support is insufficient due to fluctuation of opinions), unless taking such a poll is being prevented via oppression, at which point a certain amount of separatist resistance without popular support is justified. I don't think that it needs to be mutual, either.

    Also, to respond to the direction this thread has diverged:

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaert View Post
    Europe still isn't totally dominated by a FOX like propaganda TV screen.
    We have our own opinions.
    We don't follow automatically what the media tell us.

    If you do that in the USA and Canada, than it's your problem.
    Try to think for yourself.
    And stop citing from outdated history books.
    I think that that is an exaggerated view of the American media system. Fox News does have a bias, yes, and it can be a problem when people buy into it without thinking, but to suggest that European media sources don't have bias that affects their consumers is a bit naive. I find that people always think that THEIR media sources are less biased than the media sources of those with whom them disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaert View Post
    We, the Dutch, have even a government of idiots that support the British and American colonialism. Licking Obama's ass.
    Why? Those guys have a major interest in American oil industry.

    And Dutch taxpayers bleed, just like American and British taxpayers for the private wars of those morons!
    I don't see it. I don't follow Dutch politics that closely, but Rutte hasn't seemed particularly interested in "private wars." His shtick is budget cutting. (Full disclosure: I was rooting for a Rutte victory from afar during the last Dutch election). I'm seeing a trend in certain areas of Europe toward that sort of liberalism--where everything is getting axed, for the sake of budget stability. The Conservative gov't of the UK, for example, has been making big defense cuts even.

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    Extremely negative on racist and fascist, but positive on most of separatist movements.

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    A racist is ignorant, plain and simple.

    Racism and fascism are wrong...
    Well then, the western world should never been force to except ethic people in to western countries.

    Racism exist cause the people who run the western countries (the Jewish) wants racism to exist.

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    I think racism is in most cases bad, though there are significant genetic differences between populations that are very genetically isolated from one another (for example compare Japanese DNA to Igbo DNA). I consider separatism good if it is led by a people who were suppressed in their own native soil for hundreds of years (i.e. Basque). Fascism is outdated and too extreme, though it did have several "good" policies, such as having pride in your past and government programs to increase fertility. But I think Fascism has far more "bad" ones.

    Though I do think that bad immigrants should not be allowed to use the "race card". If they cause trouble, deport them. You aren't from there, so you better respect the host country's ways and laws. Its basically how Japan deals with immigrant-criminality, and it is pretty efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar View Post
    I consider separatism good if it is led by a people who were suppressed in their own native soil for hundreds of years (i.e. Basque).
    Separatism is OK if a supermajority in a region desire separation from a political entity. But you mention it after mentioning racial differences. What's the connection?

    Quote Originally Posted by Templar View Post
    Fascism is outdated and too extreme, though it did have several "good" policies, such as having pride in your past and government programs to increase fertility.
    Can you cite a good fascist fertility program? It seems to me that people are fertile enough in a liberal system.

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    Separatism is OK if a supermajority in a region desire separation from a political entity. But you mention it after mentioning racial differences. What's the connection?
    There is no connection. The name of the thread is: racism, fascism, and separatist movements. And so I gave my opinion on each subject; though not in the exact same order.

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    I believe everybody will relate most with members of their own race no matter if they consider themselves racist or not. Do I think racism is wrong? Yes. I do not believe any race is superior to another. But I am a nationalist, I am proud of my European heritage, and I want to see it preserved. I mean they just banned the annual Christmas tree display in Brussels because it offends muslims, which is unbelievable to me and should not be tolerated.

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    alot of people who get involved with that crap are just pathetic people who are actually angry about their own life/existence and just simply like to take it out on others

    racism,fascism, etc... are all just manifestations of self hatred or self disappointment........just scapegoating for people who are already angry anyway for some other, maybe even unconscious, reason.

    and, to be honest, racial and ethnic stereotypes sometimes can be somewhat rooted in truth to a small degree, as well as ignorance, but there is no feeling or emotion about it.

    to actually feel hatred or anger towards someone or a whole group of people for virtually no reason is just an outward expression of self-hatred and immaturity.


    Although I dont think alot of racists are actually truly as ignorant as they lead on. I dont think alot of them actually 100% believe the bullshit they claim to believe in.

    Deep down I think many of them know it's not true, but they need something to be angry at and some kind of outlet for their own anger.
    So they stick with it.

    and most of them are probably too afraid to look at themselves on the inside and find out what the REAL problem is and the true source of their anger.

    It all has to do with anger and emotions....there are no logical explanations or reasons to back up the view points that most racists hold to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar View Post

    Though I do think that bad immigrants should not be allowed to use the "race card". .

    I dont think its right for ANYone, good or bad, to play the "race card" when there is no truth to it. (which is how it is in most cases)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaert View Post

    Europe still isn't totally dominated by a FOX like propaganda TV screen.
    We have our own opinions.
    We don't follow automatically what the media tell us.

    If you do that in the USA and Canada, than it's your problem.
    Try to think for yourself.
    And stop citing from outdated history books.

    And yes!! The Brits and Americans did more than enough backstabbing in European history to call them anti-European.
    all of this sounds extremely ignorant and based on one-sided views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American Idiot View Post
    all of this sounds extremely ignorant and based on one-sided views.
    You seem pretty ignorant yourself. Racism can be thought of as purely a result of kin selection. Attributing mental illness to kin selection is a rather bizarre way to describe an evolutionary process.

    Maybe you should study biology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by james stock View Post
    You seem pretty ignorant yourself. Racism can be thought of as purely a result of kin selection. Attributing mental illness to kin selection is a rather bizarre way to describe an evolutionary process.

    Maybe you should study biology?

    I attributed anger and emotion to how one group/individual feels toward another group in terms of racism.
    I never attributed anything to how one feels about their own kin/group etc....

    so, thanks for mis-reading my earlier post.


    As for my post you quoted me on......
    when I said this sounded ignorant, I was referring to Reinaert's comments about Americans and our social/political views, which I had quoted in my post.

    One person's ignorance of another group of people has nothing to do with kin selection.
    It just simply has to do with lack of knowledge or experience about the group they are referring to.

    and I didnt know misguided anger was an actual form of mental illness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Tokyo View Post
    Hate is a strong word. I do say I think they are terribly wrong in their beliefs, if they changed their views, I would have no problem with them. But anyone who judges people on the color of their skin is no friend of mine.
    You mean to say that anyone who judges people on their RACE is no friend of yours.

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    One of the least racist countries in the world is North Korea.

    Why is that you ask?

    Is it because North Korea has some ingenious anti-racism programs in their public schools, universities and work places??

    NO!! Not a chance!! The reason why there is little or no racism in North Korea is because EVERYBODY in North Korea is a North Korean!! With only ONE race in North Korea, racism is virtually non-existent.

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    When talking about "racism" How exactly do you define this term? It seems to me that this word "racist" tends to have very vague definition.

    The implied connotation of this word is someone who hates other races for no other reason than they are different from him. If that was the definitive definition of this word, then I would agree that racism is wrong.

    But that is NOT the definition of this word anymore. Or at least, that is NOT how this word is applied. NOW to be considered "racist" all a White person has to do is..

    1 Express an interest for White people to have self determination.
    2 Express a desire for the White race to exist long term.
    3 Express a positive thought about the White race while at the same time, criticize or express a negative thought about a non-White race.

    These 3 things are enough for some so-called social justice warrior or anti-racist to call you a racist, bigot, White supremacist or any other slur and epithet they can think of.

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    Separation and segregation of the races, is the only possible way of preserving real human biodiversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    What are your thoughts on these topics?
    Racism and fascism are evil. As for separatist movements, I wish them all the best. I am in favor of the right of secession if the majority in the seceding part wants to secede. I am all for local control so I hope that if the secessionist movement isn't racist or fascist or communist for that matter, that it can convince the rest of the people to go along with them.

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