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    I don't believe in a peaceful world as long as pirate states like the USA and the UK constantly are waging wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    What do you mean by multipolar? Many centers of power?
    Yes, many centers of power. I believe that it's the only way to stop unilateral actions and agression for no reason between the countries.
    Plus development of commerce and interdependence between the countries.

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    I agree, either multi center of equal strength, or one world center will do the trick. I also agree that interdependent commerce, communication, free media, common goals, and prosperity will be the bridge for a world peace.
    The main reason for wars was to get richer. If all countries are rich, and citizens can enjoy good loving, with home, family, lot of food, cars and other atractions, then nobody would want to go to war to fight if one have a lot.
    The problems might be dictatorships, if they don't care what people think and want. Dictators might send people to war just because they feel like it....
    Democracy, economic prosperity, freedoms, free media are the key, I guess.

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    Yes only when 1 man is alive on planet,
    or a global Junta
    or all the world becomes muslim
    or all the word speak chinese

    yes that day will be global peace (or global warming?)

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    Total peace is a lovely idea but is as unrealistic as wishing for utopia, I don't think it would be possible until humans have evolved further. Maybe in another thousand years or so but right now, no.

    People are still intolerant, argumentative, aggressive, violent, selfish, racist, jealous, greedy and there are still those who are puffed up with their own self righteousness and would impose their ideas on others by force. The three main Abrahamic faiths would also need to be eradicated as they have been the main breeding ground for a majority of the unrest.

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    We human, as with other mammals, practice dominance and submission instinctively.
    When a peaceful human mutation develops it will surely be marginalized or destroyed
    outright by the overwhelmingly entrenched forces already in existence.

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    Yes,when human race get extinguished.

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    There will always be evil in this world, and when there is evil there is violence. We are human beings and that is what makes us special and imperfect, we can try to be perfect and pacifist though.

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    there are still those who are puffed up with their own self righteousness
    The three main Abrahamic faiths would also need to be eradicated

    ...with crew-served weapons and jack-booted infantry??

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    Yes only when 1 man is alive on planet,
    or a global Junta
    or all the world becomes muslim
    or all the word speak chinese

    yes that day will be global peace (or global warming?)

    Yeah but the thing is is that we would need to be flexible with eachother because we humans are still capable of waging civil wars on eachother so I'm not sure if dominance is going to solve violence conpletely. And we would also need equal rights for all

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    I don't believe that the world will ever be free of violence and war. Human kind are greedy and vindictive. There are some who still want to prosecute wars for centuries old grudges. Others will always covet what someone else has got, take oil as a commodity of topic. As the worlds population increases the demand by some countries for more and more resources will increase and those resources will be taken by force from weaker countries. The annexation of Mongolia and Tibet years ago by China, using the rationale that those countries were originally Chinese or under Chinese control should not have been permitted by the world community-it sets the scene for what will inevitably happen over perhaps the next century. But this is only one example, there are others, and none of us is truly safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toyomotor View Post
    I don't believe that the world will ever be free of violence and war. Human kind are greedy and vindictive. There are some who still want to prosecute wars for centuries old grudges. Others will always covet what someone else has got, take oil as a commodity of topic. As the worlds population increases the demand by some countries for more and more resources will increase and those resources will be taken by force from weaker countries. The annexation of Mongolia and Tibet years ago by China, using the rationale that those countries were originally Chinese or under Chinese control should not have been permitted by the world community-it sets the scene for what will inevitably happen over perhaps the next century. But this is only one example, there are others, and none of us is truly safe.
    Did you notice that in recent decades we have fewer wars, especially interstate wars. Maybe because it is more to lose than gain these days from the war?
    70 years ago we had WW2 in Europe, 60 million killed and everybody hated Germans. 60 years later we have European union with Germany giving their money away to help and develop poor members. What a turn around, wouldn't you say? On top of it the new and peaceful Europe is more prosperous than ever before.
    I don't know about you but this real life examples give me understanding and hope for our future.

    Don't worry about China, soon communists will relinquish power, this will make china democratic and free, which will give Tibet and few other provinces chance to separate. Unless they will see a big advantage to stay in Chinese Union for material benefits. Remember Soviet Union? Now we have Russia with some republics staying in federation.

    Yes some of us are greedy and vindictive, but most are compassionate, friendly, loving and caring. And we have so much these days that it is not easy to go to the war and lose it.

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    LeBrok: Yes, I see what you mean but countries with huge populations (which continue to increase annually) and few resources will ultimately need to look elsewhere for resources which they need but can't probably afford. Don't forget, decisions to go to war are never made by the people, but by a small group of politicians, regardless of the public will. The USA is a good case in hand, it goes to war, unbidden by the population which then really has no alternative but to support its troops while condemning the war. "Yes some of us are greedy and vindictive, but most are compassionate, friendly, loving and caring. And we have so much these days that it is not easy to go to the war and lose it. " I'd like to think that was true, but history shows otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toyomotor View Post
    LeBrok: Yes, I see what you mean but countries with huge populations (which continue to increase annually) and few resources will ultimately need to look elsewhere for resources which they need but can't probably afford. Don't forget, decisions to go to war are never made by the people, but by a small group of politicians, regardless of the public will. The USA is a good case in hand, it goes to war, unbidden by the population which then really has no alternative but to support its troops while condemning the war. "Yes some of us are greedy and vindictive, but most are compassionate, friendly, loving and caring. And we have so much these days that it is not easy to go to the war and lose it. " I'd like to think that was true, but history shows otherwise.
    Yes, the limited resources can be the flaming point of future conflicts. However looking at Europe or other developed countries make me hope for the best. Europe got richer than ever before in its history and yet it got more peaceful at the same time. We are faster and faster inventing new technologies than we are running out of old ones. Denmark produces 1/3 of its electricity from wind already. Once we muster thermonuclear energy we will have almost unlimited energy. Solar power should become very efficient and affordable in 50 years too.

    Looks like from end of Cold War world is quieting down.





    http://www.systemicpeace.org/conflict.htm

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    @LeBrok: Latest News-China is relaxing it's One Child Policy, as it now finds itself in the position of not having sufficient people to fill the future work force requirements. Resource wise, I wonder how this will end up? I take your point on the decrease in Cold War friction and the expansion of renewable energy. But there also factors such as food production, already a major problem in some African countries. Agricultural technology is the obvious answer but it seems that not much, comparatively, is being done in this area. I think we should sideline space exploration for a while and concentrate on the existing problems on earth. What do you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toyomotor View Post
    @LeBrok: But there also factors such as food production, already a major problem in some African countries. Agricultural technology is the obvious answer but it seems that not much, comparatively, is being done in this area.
    Yes, this could be a major obstacle in world peace for decades to come. Seams like the food production is stretched to the limits these days but every year there are 80 million new faces to feed. The unfriendly political climate to GM foods is not helping to feed hungry either. All middle eastern revolutions were started by unhappy and hungry citizens. Imagine feeding your hungry family with a dollar a day when prices of rice tripled in last few years. We might not see peace much there in this region for many years to come.
    And I'm usually the optimistic one.

    I think we should sideline space exploration for a while and concentrate on the existing problems on earth. What do you say?
    I used to love reading sciencefiction and loved to see men in space. Now I say, screw the space, lol.
    Well, I wouldn't mind sending little robotic missions to explore space for few million apiece. Instead we have spent 150 billion on international space station, and nothing interesting or benefiting came out of it.

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    Not much is happening at the moment, only domestic wars. Mostly about Taliban, Alqaeda and drugs.
    Start of conflict Conflict Continent Location Cumulative fatalities Fatalities in 2012 Fatalities in 2013
    1964 Colombian conflict (1964–present) South America Colombia 220,000-600,000[2][4] 4,692 (Insurgents killed in combat)[5]
    1978 Conflict in Afghanistan (1978–present) Asia Afghanistan 1,405,111-2,084,468[6][7][8][9][10] 8,398+[11][12] 144 (only coalition)[12]
    1991 Somali Civil War Africa Somalia
    Somaliland
    500,000+[13][14] 2,620[15] 68+[16]
    1992 Al-Qaeda insurgency in Yemen Asia Yemen 3,711[17] 2,333[17] 81-98+[b]
    2001 Islamist insurgency in Nigeria Africa Nigeria 15,000+[18][19][20] 792+[21] 1,000-1,007+[c]
    2004 War in North-West Pakistan Asia Pakistan 49,921[22] 6,211[22] 4,784[22]
    2006 Mexican Drug War North America Mexico 110,000+[23][24] 18,161+ (by November)[25] 10,000+[26]
    2009 Sudanese nomadic conflicts Africa South Sudan
    Sudan
    7,441[27][28][29] 3,200[27][28] 869+[citation needed]
    2011 Syrian civil war Asia Syria 120,300[30] 41,900[31] 35,000[citation needed]
    2011 Inter and Intra-Sudanese conflicts Africa South Sudan
    Sudan
    4,900+[32] 1,119[32] 2,500+[33]
    2011 Iraqi insurgency (post-U.S. withdrawal) Asia Iraq 12,360 [34] 4,573 (civilians)[34] 7,400 (civilians)[35]
    2013 Islamist protests in Egypt (July 2013–present) Africa Egypt 1,182 [40] - 1,182

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rmed_conflicts

    Less than 100 thousand people died from conflicts in 2013, out of 7 billion. That's one in 100,000, or 0.0001 percent, or about 300 a day. That's probably some sort of record for the peace on Earth.
    To put it in perspective 3,000 people die from cars every day on this planet, that's 10 times more!

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    Yes i do believe )

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    Pacifism is against Nature.
    So, no, it will never happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaert View Post
    I don't believe in a peaceful world as long as pirate states like the USA and the UK constantly are waging wars.

    Short Memory, a lot of Americans and UK people fought a war, and were killed or wounded, to free your country, even stopped the war to drop you foods. There can be no pacifism Human Nature rules it out, look at 'Ants' been here millions of years, have war after war, we are no different, and not too far away genetically.

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    No, it will never happen. We are a Belligerent Specie.
    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”

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    There were times when provinces were fighting each other in every European country, or city against city. Domestic wars brewed every 5-10 years in every country. Now they are not!
    There were times when countries fought each other constantly, and Europeans hated each other so much that they slaughtered 100 million people in 20th century alone! Not anymore.
    Europe was never so united, cooperative, sharing, mixing, traveling, having fun, rich and helping like today.
    Do you see this positive trend?

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    "Europe was never so united", seems cracks are appearing, ie most recently, the Spanish/Catalan issue, and Brexit. Germany is once again flexing its muscles, using a financial dominance of Europe programe, it seems, which will no doubt cause concerns again soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul333 View Post
    "Europe was never so united", seems cracks are appearing, ie most recently, the Spanish/Catalan issue, and Brexit. Germany is once again flexing its muscles, using a financial dominance of Europe programe, it seems, which will no doubt cause concerns again soon.
    Did you notice that this is a relative term? And in context to my full post, you should gather that I was compering Europe of the past centuries to today's Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Did you notice that this is a relative term? And in context to my full post, you should gather that I was compering Europe of the past centuries to today's Europe.
    Europe is presently in a very difficult position, the closer we get to each other the bigger the risk becomes in my opinion. We are now preparing defence's as a guard against further Russian Agression, look today in the North East etc, 'Estonia' 'Poland', and look what is happening to Eastern Ukraine. It is only a few years since the Iron curtian was opened, where Europe was very much prepared for Nuclear War at short notice, against its European nieghbours.

    It is mostly Nato, and its American componant, that has kept the peace in Europe, and they now have an insular ideology emerging, and NATO may be changing. I actually think Europe is in a historically similar position as it always is.

    There has aways been Allies within Europe, since recorded History, from against and for Julius Ceaser, to the present, the situation today is no different, in trying to keep the peace, we make alignments. The new player on the block is the Terrorism war now growing in Europe, which adds to the new dangers.Religeous devisions in Europe have grown significantly recently, and they are changing the face, and future, of Europe, and making Europe one of the most dangerous places on earth. In my present opinion, I cannot see Europe being a more peacefull place, quite the opposite, a more frightening and dangerous place, therefore I cannot see that one day there will be total pacifism especially in Europe, not in the forseeable future I feel.
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