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  • I believe in one almighty God who created the Universe and judge our everyday life

    24 15.58%
  • I believe in one God that created the Universe, but does not interefere with our lives or judge us

    8 5.19%
  • I believe in the indivisible Trinity of God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost

    20 12.99%
  • I believe in one Almighty God and saints or other lesser gods

    3 1.95%
  • I believe in many Gods, each with a special attribute (god of love, god of luck, etc.)

    7 4.55%
  • I am not sure whether God exist or not

    31 20.13%
  • I am convinced that God does not exist or it is irrelvant for us humans to know

    42 27.27%
  • I believe in God, but do not belong to any religion

    11 7.14%
  • I believe in God and have a religion, but I do not practice it regularily

    12 7.79%
  • I am God. (According to my philosophy.)

    10 6.49%
  • God is everything that exist. We are part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar-san
    religion would have us believe that the universe as we know it was created by an all powerfull intellect beyond our grasp of realism.
    i dont buy the part about first there was nothing, and then there was everything.

    Not every belief system is like that, you know.

    And most people here seem to be stuck in the mindset that the Supreme is here to dictate our lives; again, not every belief system dictates that idea.

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    I noticed that you didn't have anything for you believe in God, but a different one than the God we think of. Myself, I believe in a God and Goddess who exist in everything and are simply the collected spirits (I'm still thinking about this spiritually).

    I would have checked that I believe in multiple gods (two) but I think you are being sterotypical a little. I don't think they represent different things, but instead they are just like peices of a puzzle.

    Anyways, it would be nice if you added a "I believe in a God and Goddess" box for those of us who are Wiccan, etc.

    Nice idea, by the way! :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter
    Not every belief system is like that, you know.

    And most people here seem to be stuck in the mindset that the Supreme is here to dictate our lives; again, not every belief system dictates that idea.
    thats why i mentioned buddha. but if you are talking about the 3 major world religions, hindi, islam, and christianity, then what i said applies. of course not "every" belief system believes that way, hell, my ancestors were druids, and i hold onto some of that tradition. but dictating? depends on what religion your speaking of. if its christianity then no, we were given free will to do whatever we like, and believe in whatever we like. having a choice. that doesnt sound like a dictatership to me.
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    Get the stick out of your ass man, you knew what I was talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter
    Get the stick out of your ass man, you knew what I was talking about.

    what part of what i said offended you? sorry, but it looks like the one with a stick in her ass is you do yourself a favor and do your homework, and actually, your reply was sorta vague, so, no, i didnt know what you were talking about. be a little more specific next time

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    Science has never argued that at first there was nothing. There was never "nothing". The universe has always been.

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    ive never read a astrology book that said there was a universe before the big bang, its only speculation that there was, not theory, because theres no way to prove it. but ive read plenty of physics and astrology books that argue that b4 the big bang, our dimension was void space. "nothingness" - http://www.mkaku.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar-san
    ive never read a astrology book that said there was a universe before the big bang, its only speculation that there was, not theory, because theres no way to prove it. but ive read plenty of physics and astrology books that argue that b4 the big bang, our dimension was void space. "nothingness" - http://www.mkaku.org/
    I hope, you read astronomy books, not astrology!
    But obviously you misunderstood a lot of what you read, anyway (or read the wrong books). When you say that "science wants us to believe that first, there was nothing, surrounded by "nothingness", and then, a big bang, and "poomph" there waseverything", you're simply wrong.

    Science is not a religion, I haven't heard of any dogma which states the above. There may be individual scientists who adhere to such an idea as if it is a religion, but that's not really scientific.
    If you would have read the right stuff you'd know that this is just one of many ideas surrounding the Big Bang. There is enough evidence to be quite sure something like the Big Bang happened, but what came before & other details are still open to discussion.

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    Thanks, Bossel. That's pretty much what I was going to say. Science implies no belief, in fact it attempts to avoid any dogma or faith. There are certainly dogmatic scientists, but that's not what science is about. From the standpoint of science, there is no conflict at all with religion. The conflict arises when religious people find their reality tunnels threatened by the things that current scientifc theories imply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar-san
    what part of what i said offended you? sorry, but it looks like the one with a stick in her ass is you do yourself a favor and do your homework, and actually, your reply was sorta vague, so, no, i didnt know what you were talking about. be a little more specific next time
    Yeah, deep thoughts Mr. Marx.

    Anyway, who's offended? You didnt hurt my feelings.

    And for future reference, next time you're going to make an attempt to insult me, could you be a little more creative? Vomitting the same remark made to you back at me just isnt fun to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar-san
    ive never read a astrology book that said there was a universe before the big bang, its only speculation that there was, not theory, because theres no way to prove it. but ive read plenty of physics and astrology books that argue that b4 the big bang, our dimension was void space. "nothingness" - http://www.mkaku.org/
    1. lol @ "astrology"

    2. I've never read any book that states or attempts to state that there was nothing in existence before the big bang. As you probably know from your books, time slows down as one approaches an object of great mass. The greater the mass of the object, the more time slows. Now try to imagine the mass of the pre-big bang universe crammed into an object the size of the earth. As one approached that object, time would pretty much cease to exist. The concepts of "before" and "forever" pretty much go out the window.

    But it is hard to think about things without the concept of time because it flies in the face of all of one's prior conceptualizations of the way things work. It doesn't completely negate the need for a god to explain origin, but it's at least something.

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    Science implies no belief, in fact it attempts to avoid any dogma or faith. There are certainly dogmatic scientists, but that's not what science is about. From the standpoint of science, there is no conflict at all with religion. The conflict arises when religious people find their reality tunnels threatened by the things that current scientifc theories imply.
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    eyea, sorry bout that, meant "cosmology" lol, i think you are taking things out of context guys. if science does not imply belief, then why does it exist? science is the persuit of truth, through practical explanation. that implies that if something is true, it can be believed in, if not, why try to prove it? i deffinately understand everything ive read, from string theory, to m theory, to membranes, and the theory of everything. (an actual theory) if you have not, i would recommend it. until then, dont berate me for making a typo. and yes, CICATRIZ ESP, there has absolutely been an estimation of the age of teh known universe. you said the universe has always been, if that is true, why do todays experts believe it to be in the neighborhood of 13 billion yrs old? pin-pointing the origins of our universe original and largest gamma bursts? to say that there was a universe b4 our own, applying the theory that the universe expands and contracts, is still hypothetical, and has never been solid theory, because we will never see our own contract, it is still expanding, and will continue to do so for untold millenia.
    bossel, i did not mean in any way that there is any dogma surrounding science, simply, ppl believe what they read, especially when it comes from experts in a field like particle physics. and i understand it just fine. again, you have taken what i have said out of context.
    WINTER, nor was i trying to insult you any more than offend you, but you are obviously uptight, and insulted me first, so, if you want to trade blows, we can do that too. but then again, arguing with a crystal magic, bark-eating femanist, pagan wanna be trendy dirt merchant would be beneath me. so hats off to you mrs. mulligan:) i was studying paganism, (including wicca) druidism, ritual magic, demonology, satanism, the triple goddess, gaian mind set philosophy, the occult, and christianity while you were going through puberty, so please, for the sake of rationalism, drop the attitude, its really un-becoming and un necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by december
    I'm a Baptist... but I wouldn't call myself a good Christian cause I have sinned. Oh, how I have sinned....
    Christians aren't perfect just forgiven! God bless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensebend
    Christians aren't perfect just forgiven! God bless!
    amen Sensebend

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    Quote Originally Posted by babar-san
    that implies that if something is true, it can be believed in, if not, why try to prove it?
    Science actually tries to prove things, so that you don't need to believe! If something is proven, we know it. Belief is only necessary if you don't know, but feel some urge to be sure of something.
    There are people who don't need belief. If they don't know, they wait till something becomes known or actively pursue knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensebend
    Christians aren't perfect just forgiven! God bless!
    Depends on the denomination, I think. Some denominations actually expect repentance before you can be forgiven.

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    Most scientists will tell you that it's very difficult/impossible to definitively "prove" anything. We can just make more accurate maps of reality seen from different perspectives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter
    Yeah, deep thoughts Mr. Marx.
    His name's Mr. Marx?? I thought it was babar-san...


    Quote Originally Posted by babar-san
    ...so hats off to you mrs. mulligan...
    And here I was thinking her name was Winter (if she's really a woman).

    You know, I think you guys should be more careful about using the right name...


    (I guess I shouldn't assume that babar-san is a man, either...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantt
    Most scientists will tell you that it's very difficult/impossible to definitively "prove" anything.
    I doubt that. You're overly pessimistic here. Many things are possible to prove, esp. in natural sciences. It's a bit harder when it comes to humanities, though.

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    Hmmm...

    From here:

    Despite popular impressions of science, it is not the goal of science to answer all questions, only those that pertain to physical reality (measurable empirical experience). Also, science cannot possibly address all possible questions, so the choice of which questions to answer becomes important. Science does not and can not produce absolute and unquestionable truth. Rather, science consistently tests the currently best hypothesis about some aspect of the physical world, and when necessary revises or replaces it in light of new observations or data.

    Science does not make any statements about how nature actually "is"; science can only make conclusions about our observations of nature. The developments of quantum mechanics in the early 20th century showed that observations are not independent of interactions, and the implications of wave-particle duality have challenged the traditional notion of "objectivity" in science.

    Science is not a source of subjective value judgements, though it can certainly speak to matters of ethics and public policy by pointing to the likely consequences of actions. However, science can't tell us which of those consequences to desire or which is 'best'. What one projects from the currently most reasonable scientific hypothesis onto other realms of interest is not a scientific issue, and the scientific method offers no assistance for those who wish to do so. Scientific justification (or refutation) for many things is, nevertheless, often claimed.
    Back to the discussion concerning science and religion, religion DOES make statements concerning absolute and unquestionable truth. Therein lies the big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorDarei
    His name's Mr. Marx?? I thought it was babar-san...
    It was a sarcastic implication or babar having a mind like Karl Marx.

    And babar; I'm glad you assume I'd waste my time with paganism, just because I believe in my Goddess.

    Just so you know, my Goddess has NO CORRELLATION to any of those worthless *opinion* pagan faiths.

    Speaking of the depth of knowledge of the aged sir *wow, a cool 8 years older than myself*, you know for someone who boasts of being learned when yours truly dawned the diaper, you'd think you'd know how to flex some of that wisdom a bit better instead of shrugging me off as somewhat of a 'whippersnapper'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter
    You're an idiot, you know that?
    Gee, no I didn't know that. I can see now it was wrong of me not to take your pissing contest seriously. (Incidentally, I think babar-san has the advantage here; guys can piss farther than girls can, usually)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantt
    Back to the discussion concerning science and religion, religion DOES make statements concerning absolute and unquestionable truth. Therein lies the big difference.
    Right from your source:

    "Science is both a process of gaining knowledge, and the organized body of knowledge gained by this process. The scientific process is the systematic acquisition of new knowledge about a system. This systematic acquisition is generally the scientific method, and the system is generally nature. Science is also the scientific knowledge that has been systematically acquired by this scientific process."

    Wikipedia is a great source of knowledge, but well, it's not perfect. As I said, you have to distinguish: there are fields in which proof is possible, others in which it is hard to achieve, yet others in which it may be impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorDarei
    Gee, no I didn't know that. I can see now it was wrong of me not to take your pissing contest seriously. (Incidentally, I think babar-san has the advantage here; guys can piss farther than girls can, usually)
    *clap clap clap* Bravo.

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    I don't have a religion, but I do believe in God...the all powerful one that created universe and judges us...

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