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  • I believe in one almighty God who created the Universe and judge our everyday life

    24 15.58%
  • I believe in one God that created the Universe, but does not interefere with our lives or judge us

    8 5.19%
  • I believe in the indivisible Trinity of God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost

    20 12.99%
  • I believe in one Almighty God and saints or other lesser gods

    3 1.95%
  • I believe in many Gods, each with a special attribute (god of love, god of luck, etc.)

    7 4.55%
  • I am not sure whether God exist or not

    31 20.13%
  • I am convinced that God does not exist or it is irrelvant for us humans to know

    42 27.27%
  • I believe in God, but do not belong to any religion

    11 7.14%
  • I believe in God and have a religion, but I do not practice it regularily

    12 7.79%
  • I am God. (According to my philosophy.)

    10 6.49%
  • God is everything that exist. We are part of it.

    20 12.99%
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    Quote Originally Posted by bossel
    Right from your source:

    "Science is both a process of gaining knowledge, and the organized body of knowledge gained by this process. The scientific process is the systematic acquisition of new knowledge about a system. This systematic acquisition is generally the scientific method, and the system is generally nature. Science is also the scientific knowledge that has been systematically acquired by this scientific process."

    Wikipedia is a great source of knowledge, but well, it's not perfect. As I said, you have to distinguish: there are fields in which proof is possible, others in which it is hard to achieve, yet others in which it may be impossible.
    I think we're just having a disagreement about the word "proof." I'll agree that there are some things which certainly seem to be incontrovertable facts, but philosophically, I'm unwilling to consider much of anything to be an absolute truth. I'm pretty sure that many physicists who are studying the underpinnings of reality itself would probably agree with me on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter
    It was a sarcastic implication or babar having a mind like Karl Marx.

    And babar; I'm glad you assume I'd waste my time with paganism, just because I believe in my Goddess.

    Just so you know, my Goddess has NO CORRELLATION to any of those worthless *opinion* pagan faiths.

    Speaking of the depth of knowledge of the aged sir *wow, a cool 8 years older than myself*, you know for someone who boasts of being learned when yours truly dawned the diaper, you'd think you'd know how to flex some of that wisdom a bit better instead of shrugging me off as somewhat of a 'whippersnapper'.
    no, im just glad to know that you have made the connnection that a lot of pagan practices are indeed very *opinion* based, and lose sight of their druidic ancestry. my ancestors were druids. im 99.9% scottish, clan mCcnab.
    a clandestine scottish clan from the highlands dating back to bc, all the way into the 1400's. i take true druidism very seriously because it is as much a part of me as my faith in god. i have a duality with nature and why its here.
    i dont go to church, but i do sit in the woods a lot:) i dont normally like to talk about religion, as ppl are obviously very sensative about the subject. but i also study particle physics, as i find it a facinating field of science.
    true, im not a whole hell of a lot older than you, but i would not care to "flex"
    my wisdom as you call it, because this is an *opinion* based thread, and thats all i am here to do. if you would like me to answer any questions you may have however, id be more than happy to try:) i actually lived in a wiccan commune for ahwile in northern vermont, very very wonderfull ppl and good friends, but felt that after some time with them, they were using it more as an identity, and mis-understanding the balance between the goddess and the horned god. there is always a positive and a negative. it is so evident in nature, i couldnt see how it escaped them. but for future reference, if you are going to have a healthy debate or discussion about these subjects with ppl, dont insult them. i never insulted you until your childlike, snide comment. i believe it had something to do with a stick? not once in anything that i wrote did i insult you or try to press my opinions on you. maybe you mis-interpreted something i said? because they were not directed at you. not until you insulted me. and for what its worth, i dont see anyone as a "whippersnapper",
    i have learned a great deal from ppl much younger than i, but like i said, ive done my homework, and when it comes to theology and science, i generally know what im talking about. i respect your beliefs, no mater what they may be. just try to respect my opinions.

    BOSSEL - i think again we are mis-understanding one another, i am not implying that there is a belief structure surrounding science, i was simply stating that once something is given reasonable credibility, it becomes common knowledge, until it is either proven, or dis-proven.
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    I believe in a God that created the universe, I just think different cultures go about worshipping and refering name-wise, a same God of many names. I also have a hypothesis that science (In particular physics) are not just principles for which we as humans can graps a better understanding of ourselves and habitat but a universal language by God.

    Spiritual enlightment and science are our only methods of reaching out and touching to this powerful Being.

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    So far there doesn't seem to be any Catholics or Anglicans among the 39 people who voted, as nobody chose "I believe in one Almighty God and saints or other lesser gods".

    There are 5 Pantheists already (i.e. people who chose "God is everything that exist. We are part of it").
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    I'm catholic but i'm being a fool.
    I guess being roman catholic it's.. i believe in god and the saints under his wing.
    But still being god too is cool. but blasphamy so i'm going straight to hell along with the other ..... 1+1+2+.... 5+ crap i lost count.. sins i've done.
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    I don't believe in God just as I don't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, crab people, psychic phenomena, leprechauns, honest politicians, free porn sites, or ghosts.

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    I chose I'm not sure, because while I myself am convinced that God doesn't exist, there's no way of telling whether I'm wrong or not. But I'd need some pretty major evidence in His favor for me to change my mind. Otherwise, I'll just wait find out the truth when that time comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo
    So far there doesn't seem to be any Catholics or Anglicans among the 39 people who voted, as nobody chose "I believe in one Almighty God and saints or other lesser gods".

    There are 5 Pantheists already (i.e. people who chose "God is everything that exist. We are part of it").
    I was determined to avoid this "holy war" until you said that. As a practicing RC, I feel empowered to correct you in one respect. Catholics believe first in the doctrine of Trinity. While we certainly have spent a lot of time canonizing some local demi-gods and popular heroes into "saints" (and almost as much time stripping away that title later), the Trinity is a foundation belief.

    Ergo, if you are ******** for Roman Catholics with your poll, IMHO you are using the wrong bait when you chum out the stuff about "saints and lesser gods."

    Religious faith has much to offer people who are less than satisfied with the explanation of science. The one thing that science can never explain about the creation of the Universe is why we are here.

    Me? I wander along waiting for God to pick up the telephone a take my long laundry list of gripes, bitching, and complaints. So far all I have gotten is a busy signal. I guess that is where faith comes in. Unsatisfying as it is, sometime that is all that you get.

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    I am a panthiest of sorts, and this option sums up my beleifs best; 'God is everything that exists. We are part of it.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJosh
    I am a panthiest of sorts, and this option sums up my beleifs best; 'God is everything that exists. We are part of it.'
    In keeping with the adage that "he who defends everything, defends nothing" and "when everyone is a hero, no one is a hero" I have to wonder if we should also include "if god is everything, then god is nothing."

    I must admit that I have always regarded panthiests as people who are too lazy to inquire as to the meaning--if any at all--of God. But who am I to judge? If I knew the mind of God, I wouldn't be talking it over with you guys, now would I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxtrot Uniform
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    I 100% agree with what you said, except for this bit - there's a good amount of free porn on the net (and some of it is even quite good), if you just look right
    Being an atheist and thus not having any sick moral inhibitions, I can use them as long and as much as I want to

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    Hi,

    I define myself as "spiritual but not religious", meaning that I believe in one universal God but don't belong to any religious organization. But I do respect all religions and their believers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lina Inverse
    I 100% agree with what you said, except for this bit - there's a good amount of free porn on the net (and some of it is even quite good), if you just look right
    Being an atheist and thus not having any sick moral inhibitions, I can use them as long and as much as I want to
    You said what I was afraid to say. Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter452
    In keeping with the adage that "he who defends everything, defends nothing" and "when everyone is a hero, no one is a hero" I have to wonder if we should also include "if god is everything, then god is nothing."
    That is a good point. I would add though, when everyone is a hero, no one is a hero, and no heros are needed. You basicly reach a perfect state of humanity no? But, prehaps nature needs chaos and conflict. If god is everything, then god is nothing, and alot of people lose their jobs. ;)

    I must admit that I have always regarded panthiests as people who are too lazy to inquire as to the meaning--if any at all--of God.
    Well, I can't counter-argue for the sweeping genralisation of 'other panthiest people', because I don't personaly know any, but just for my own sake, I've read the bible, many works of many religious philosophers, ancient and recent, I lot a lot about Hinduism, Buddhism, polytheistic Greek mythology, I could write a book the size of that lot on my conclusions on God, and I'd probably be regarded as blasphemous, stupid, and generaly insane. The feeling mutual, a Christian feels complete because hes found the 'one true path'. I feel complete knowing I will never get there, not in this walking life, I regard that a privilage. My beleives are never stagnant, I can never be wrong as I never regard myself as truely 'right', I can learn more about my beleifs, every single day, in the little things, in other's opinions, everythng has a metaphor, I'm not interested in litaral fact, I think the idea of wanting such in matters of god and faith is absurd.

    But who am I to judge?
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    If I knew the mind of God, I wouldn't be talking it over with you guys, now would I?
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    I personally do not believe in the existance of God as exposed by various religious organisations. As I have an interest in religion and myths you can see how stories have been amended and changed through time to come up with the various religious myths we have now. The best example of this is Noah. The origin of this myth can be traced in to Assryian stories that have influened the jewish faith and eventually into christianity. I have no objections of people believing in God. If it gives them hope and happiness, who am I to say its wrong. Just don't push it on me.
    A good site to see religious views on is www.religioustolerance.org

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    None.

    But I like the Greek gods and goddesses. For me, they are the most fascinating deities man has ever created.

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    Seems like to me that the people who say that they are their own gods and the atheists are all pretty much the same group.

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    That's an interesting point of view Pararousia! I suppose for an atheist to be his own god, he would have to think of himself as the most superior being that exists, right? But I suspect that many atheists reject a belief in god because they deny that any being is inherently superior - indeed, that's at the root of my not believing in an omnipotent creator (not that I claim to be an atheist). But you're probably right that there are some atheists (a small minority I suspect) who are convinced of their own superiority.

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    I wonder if any atheist who believes they are God, vanishes in a puff of nonexistance?

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    I believe in the gods (plural) that created Adam and Eve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuyoiko
    That's an interesting point of view Pararousia! I suppose for an atheist to be his own god, he would have to think of himself as the most superior being that exists, right? But I suspect that many atheists reject a belief in god because they deny that any being is inherently superior - indeed, that's at the root of my not believing in an omnipotent creator (not that I claim to be an atheist). But you're probably right that there are some atheists (a small minority I suspect) who are convinced of their own superiority.
    I wasn't really thinking superior as much as them thinking themselves more self-sufficient than they really are...goes back to the idea of the created (the pot) complaining to the Creator (the potter) about how it was made...*rambling here* Reminds me of a joke: Mankind and God got into a contest to see who could make a better man. So God stoops down to scoop up a handfull of dirt to begin. Then the committee members of mankind did the same thing. "Whoaaaa," says God, "make your own dirt."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pararousia
    Seems like to me that the people who say that they are their own gods and the atheists are all pretty much the same group.
    Yes, and people who don't believe in the Loch Ness Monster and those who say they are the Loch Ness Monster are all pretty much the same group.
    *ends sarcasm*

    You might want to take a look at logical fallacies .

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    I'm starting to think that the question or whether a God or gods exist is irrelevant.

    In some ways, they just seem avatars of our wonder, awe, feelings of peace, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pararousia
    I wasn't really thinking superior as much as them thinking themselves more self-sufficient than they really are...goes back to the idea of the created (the pot) complaining to the Creator (the potter) about how it was made...*rambling here* Reminds me of a joke: Mankind and God got into a contest to see who could make a better man. So God stoops down to scoop up a handfull of dirt to begin. Then the committee members of mankind did the same thing. "Whoaaaa," says God, "make your own dirt."
    Actually, that's one of the reasons I don't believe god created us. Sometimes when I feel crappy I just can't accept that I could have been designed this way. But I can easily see the evolutionary advantages for those crappy feelings!

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