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  • I believe in one almighty God who created the Universe and judge our everyday life

    25 15.63%
  • I believe in one God that created the Universe, but does not interefere with our lives or judge us

    8 5.00%
  • I believe in the indivisible Trinity of God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost

    22 13.75%
  • I believe in one Almighty God and saints or other lesser gods

    4 2.50%
  • I believe in many Gods, each with a special attribute (god of love, god of luck, etc.)

    8 5.00%
  • I am not sure whether God exist or not

    32 20.00%
  • I am convinced that God does not exist or it is irrelvant for us humans to know

    44 27.50%
  • I believe in God, but do not belong to any religion

    12 7.50%
  • I believe in God and have a religion, but I do not practice it regularily

    13 8.13%
  • I am God. (According to my philosophy.)

    10 6.25%
  • God is everything that exist. We are part of it.

    21 13.13%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    I agree with you that the existence of our universe requires an explanation, and origin, but what makes you think that origin or cause or reason is God?
    Me.
    I am living person, with reason, inteligence, and selfidentity,
    so, the one who made me, have to be more inteligent, more
    alive and more personal, than I am.

    More than that I am able to realize, that something exept
    me exists, not only the material Universe, but am I able to
    comprehence an idea that there is something beyond and
    more powerfull than all power in whole Universe. I am also
    able to understand, what is time, what is past, I am able
    to abstractic thinking, I can undersdtand cause and effect,
    and I can also get mathematical principles and probability;
    something, what allready evolved apemen preset here too,
    actualy can't, so thay have to belive in selfaliving stone,
    becasue as animals, they cannot understand anything
    beyond materia and can;t think abstracticly.

    My God, the Inteligent Creator made me able to got this,
    but their godess a blind dumb Evolution made them unable.

    It is such simple.

    If you only answer "who created the Universe"' it may not occur to you that the true answer might not be in the form of a "who" but of a "what".
    The "Who" is a higher level of existence so, logically,
    "what" cant made "Who", but "Who" can make "what".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    More than that I am able to realize, that something exept
    me exists, not only the material Universe, but am I able to
    comprehence an idea that there is something beyond and
    more powerfull than all power in whole Universe. I am also
    able to understand, what is time, what is past, I am able
    to abstractic thinking, I can undersdtand cause and effect,
    and I can also get mathematical principles and probability;
    something, what allready evolved apemen preset here too,
    actualy can't, so thay have to belive in selfaliving stone,
    becasue as animals, they cannot understand anything
    beyond materia and can;t think abstracticly.

    .
    Wow, you tricked us well.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    This philosophical view best describes my beliefs:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    one does not need a religion to pray to God.
    I totally agree with this. This is also why the principle of separation of church and state does not entail that there mustn't be any references to God in national constitutions or other legislative acts (like the U.S. Declaration of Independence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    This philosophical view best describes my beliefs:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism



    I totally agree with this. This is also why the principle of separation of church and state does not entail that there mustn't be any references to God in national constitutions or other legislative acts (like the U.S. Declaration of Independence).
    I hate that, no reference to spiritual entities of any kind should be allowed in constitution, national anthem or court processes.

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    I voted this: "I believe in one God that created the Universe, but does not interefere with our lives or judge us"

    I don't pray, I don't visit any religious temples, I don't read any religious texts and I don't like to talk about the religion, because it is not part of my 'duty', I'm not a priest. But I do believe in my God. I'm a very religious person. I don't fear God, but I love God because God created life.

    We don't like to harm innocent people, because we believe in karma, this life or an after life: good thoughts, good words, good deeds.


    According to my native Iranian/Aryan religion God created the 7 angels, and the chief of those 7 angles, Tawuse Melek (peacock angel), is the ruler of our planet Earth. Tawuse Melek punishes anybody who is harmimg his people, the children of God, or simply the Ezdi Kurds.

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    Do you agree with this ???


    Soul vs. spirit


    " The soul and the spirit are connected, but separable (Hebrews 4:12). The soul is the essence of humanity's being; it is who we are. The spirit is the aspect of humanity that connects with God.

    The spirit is the element in humanity which gives us the ability to have an intimate relationship with God.

    The word 'soul' can refer to both the immaterial and material aspects of humanity. Unlike human beings having a spirit, human beings are souls. In its most basic sense, the word 'soul' means 'life.'
    "

    https://www.gotquestions.org/soul-spirit.html

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    I worship at the altar of rock and roll.
    Misseri e sceccu cu tuttâ tistera
    comu vi l’haju a diri, a vastunati
    ca mancu haju Sali di salera!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    This philosophical view best describes my beliefs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism
    Ok, so if you agnosticly agknowlege God's existence, then what, if he
    has some standarts, and coincidently (but quite purpously seriously
    speaking) informs us in written form about them, and he is going to
    treat us as responsible informed people according to his standarts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I hate that, no reference to spiritual entities of any kind should be allowed in constitution, national anthem or court processes.
    But refference to selfalived stone, genues monkey and
    islamic "merits" should be praise day and night not only
    in documents, but everywhere...

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    I think God is an outdated word, and there are better ways to describe the power and intelligence behind physical substances. Books such as the bible were written ~2000 years ago and it's knowledge were limited due the lack of intellectualism and "functional" intelligence. Keep in mind most people didn't even know to write or think rationally as people in the XXI. century.
    If someone like Jesus would reincarnate again then, Himself most likely use concept showing relatedness much more with Psychic-biology than 2000 years ago.

    I do believe or i should say that i know there's more than what our limited senses can translate to understand. If we had higher intelligence, consciousness then our brain would be more functional to understand the so called "Esoteric-Higher Sense" concepts.

    Just like some people are able to experience telekinesis. If the majority of people were able to experience it then it wouldn't be "spiritual" anymore but an everyday thing, just like most people would have thought a flying Plane as "God" back in time.

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    The question is hard to answer because different people mean different things by "God". And that's perhaps the best reason why my most straightforward answer to the straightforward question is "no".

    To expand slightly, let me just apply my usual rant: the question of whether something "exists" is universally irrelevant. It's not even logically well-formed: "exists X" is a syntax error in logic. To be well formed it has to have a structure like "Does there exist an X such that X does thus-and-such?" People strip the question down to "Does X exist" only when they can't agree on any thus-and-such.

    It implies that they're so desperate to continue to believe in X that they're willing to give up any actual properties of X. Or worse, play silly games where they think they can get from "OK, X exists, therefore it's the kind of X I think it is." That's vacuous and useless.

    So a slightly less straightforward answer is "I have no reason to care whether it exists or not." People who insist that it must matter to me always, every time, universally end up making it in the form of an unprovable assertion, a form of argument so transparently invalid as to make me certain they will never say anything of value to me.

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    2 members found this post helpful.
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    I dont believe to the images/icons or the views...
    but how else to show it.
    Let say/write/image it;
    just as...


    " Π "
    3,1415926535897932384626...


    "Αεί Θεός γεωμετρεί " ΠΛΑΤΩΝ
    Timeless God (practising) geometry.


    Hey, I am not good at maths... -God please, forgive me!

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    I am not sure whether God exists or not.

    Moreover, God(s) may be a lot different from how they've been interpreted by religion.

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    Is the god of the Bible the same as the god of the gospels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diomedes View Post
    Is the god of the Bible the same as the god of the gospels?
    Considering tha fact, that Gospels are part of the Bible,
    and are reffering to other parts of the Bible, surely is.

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    Before moslem began ~600AD.......90% of Arabs where pagans

    Why do they hate pagans so much ?
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Why do they hate pagans so much ?
    Becasue they are still pagans themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Becasue they are still pagans themselves.
    So they hate pagans because they are still pagan ..

    such Logic .. such rigour ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronSide View Post
    So they hate pagans because they are still pagan ..

    such Logic .. such rigour ..
    It is so hard to think a little?
    They obviously want to be seen as not pagans.

    It is like with some people, who being for example
    Jews, very much want to be Europeans, and as a
    underlining their supposeable native europeanness,
    they ostentatiously dislakie Jews - much more than
    exrteem non-jews - even hate them... so such logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Before moslem began ~600AD.......90% of Arabs where pagans

    Why do they hate pagans so much ?
    It's because 600 ad was 1,400 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    It's because 600 ad was 1,400 years ago.
    And they still did not conquer the world, as they were promised... cult failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Before moslem began ~600AD.......90% of Arabs where pagans

    Why do they hate pagans so much ?
    Watch to movie Agora, answer the question why the christian hate pagans, then you will find the answer.

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    To get back to Maciamo's original inquiry, my answer : somewhere in between some of the options given.
    God was a word first given to what men could not understand, the Great Mystery around them that baffled them. As I view things, it should have remained that.
    I never could bring myself to believe in the "oriental tales" the three monotheistic religions are grounded in. Yet those two lines by Voltaire get some echo deep inside me :
    "L'univers m'interroge, et je ne puis songer
    Que cette horloge existe et n'ait pas d'horloger."
    The universe baffles me, and I can't imagine
    That this clock might exist without a clockmaker.
    It came as a surprise when I once heard a world-famous atheist astrophysicist explain on TV that after years of research, what he was left with at the end of the road was the suspicion that perhaps, behind the great cosmic show, there was some sort of "designer".
    So I am some sort of sceptic/deist/pantheist.
    And I think that when it comes to religion we should restrict ourselves to convictions, not certainties.
    People with convictions will try to win you over with words.
    People with certainties will try to win you over with words first, then blackmail (eg: eternity in hell), then a knife under your throat.
    Whatever the Maker, Soul, Breath of Life of the universe can be, I guess we should refrain from trying to give it a face, a voice, or moral preoccupations. We should humbly stick to what we know, and we know nothing.
    Morals are a strictly human concern, certainly beneficial to all, but aimed primarily at "efficiency", peaceful coexistence, smooth social relationships. Moral codes would have (and probably had) emerged even without the support of any religious dogma. We men didn't need the assistance of religion to devise the Highway Code.
    I like those two lines from an old song by French singer Georges Brassens. They sum up my own "gospel" :
    "Gloire à qui n'ayant pas d'idéal sacro-saint / Se borne à ne pas trop emmerder ses voisins."
    (Gory be to those who - having no holy ideal - / Stick to not pissing off their neighbours too much.)

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    I don't bother with something I'll never be able to grasp and I don't have to give it a name. If the universe is a clock and there has to be a clockmaker, how did the clockmaker come to existence? We can go back in causality forever. It's similar to explanation how did the life on earth start. A lot of people would say that it came from the universe, they don't believe in the primordial soup theory. OK, than where and how did it start in the universe? The beginning has to be somewhere...if it's not independently in different locations, but than the question is still how? This reasoning shifts only the explanation somewhere further but it doesn't ultimatively answer the question.

    Another thing is why does God usually have to be a personification of a human? The universe is vast, does he or she have to look like someone from a line of apes (or primates if you will)? Why are the Gods mostly he or she? Does he or she accordingly have chromosomes?

    I don't want to offend anyone. I myself have no doubts. The outcome of the tonight's football match will certainly not depend on anyone's prayers.

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