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3-Part Multiple Choice Poll on Order & Chaos
1. Is nature orderly or disorderly, organized or chaotic? (1-5)
2. Which way is the universe flowing in terms of order and chaos ? (6-7)
3. Do you think science can (will) explian all orderly or disorderly phenomena ?
Or does order and chaos depend on our way of looking at things ?
Or are they perfectly objective properties of physical bodies, nature, and universe ? (8-12)
Below are excerpts from "Universe How Big?" thread that are realted to order and chaos. Please cast your votes (at least 3 per person please) in the poll, and also contribute your opinions ! :wave:
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"Given half a chance, order emerges from chaos, and given optimum conditions, matter keeps on self-organizing until it can get up, crawl around, and write poetry." -David Grinspoon
"The 'mind' of the universe is the order that allows things to come together to form more complex things, like atoms, planets, people, stars, hamsters, etc." -Brooker
"This is probably true regardless of the magnitude of the universe or the existence of a divine being." -Lexico
"I believe that such an order could not exist without a designer. As I see it, the 'designer' IS the order." -Brooker
"No plan or design was necessary for all this to happen, but only simple, common elements in nature with enough time to permute them through the possible combinations was enough." -Lexico
"Without that order (without "the force") I don't believe anything could ever form, just random stuff floating around, bouncing off each other, never forming into anything...it takes a much bigger leap of faith to think that all of that would just happen on it's own. Without order and the universe's WILL (which I also attribute to "the force") to form into something more complex, that would never have happened." -Brooker
"So why are things in the universe organised ? Who said they were ? We humans find it organised because it fits our perception of organisation, something that matches our own structure." -Maciamo
"There is obviously order to the universe. Is there any such thing as true chaos? If we think something is chaotic, it probably just follows a pattern we have yet to understand. There's order in atoms, the Earth's revolutions around the sun, matter...I don't think anything could exist without some kind of order. There's a pattern to everything around us. I challenge anyone to find something that has no form of organization." -Brooker
"The very idea or 'chaos' vs 'organisation' depend on our own perception as humans. It could be that other intelligent being in the universe have a different perception of what is 'organised'. And yet, that would still be from a life being point of view. For instance, it is logical to think that between 2 'intelligent' living creatures, the most sophisticated might have a stricter definition of organisation." -Maciamo
"EVERYTHING has some kind of organization to varying degrees of complexity. And to make the tree falling in the woods argument ... the organization would exist even if no one was around to perceive it. So the opinions of the '2 intelligent living creatures' is of little significance and has no effect of the nature of 'the organization'." -Brooker
1. Is nature orderly or disorderly, organized or chaotic? (1-5)
2. Which way is the universe flowing in terms of order and chaos ? (6-7)
3. Do you think science can (will) explian all orderly or disorderly phenomena ?
Or does order and chaos depend on our way of looking at things ?
Or are they perfectly objective properties of physical bodies, nature, and universe ? (8-12)
Below are excerpts from "Universe How Big?" thread that are realted to order and chaos. Please cast your votes (at least 3 per person please) in the poll, and also contribute your opinions ! :wave:
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"Given half a chance, order emerges from chaos, and given optimum conditions, matter keeps on self-organizing until it can get up, crawl around, and write poetry." -David Grinspoon
"The 'mind' of the universe is the order that allows things to come together to form more complex things, like atoms, planets, people, stars, hamsters, etc." -Brooker
"This is probably true regardless of the magnitude of the universe or the existence of a divine being." -Lexico
"I believe that such an order could not exist without a designer. As I see it, the 'designer' IS the order." -Brooker
"No plan or design was necessary for all this to happen, but only simple, common elements in nature with enough time to permute them through the possible combinations was enough." -Lexico
"Without that order (without "the force") I don't believe anything could ever form, just random stuff floating around, bouncing off each other, never forming into anything...it takes a much bigger leap of faith to think that all of that would just happen on it's own. Without order and the universe's WILL (which I also attribute to "the force") to form into something more complex, that would never have happened." -Brooker
"So why are things in the universe organised ? Who said they were ? We humans find it organised because it fits our perception of organisation, something that matches our own structure." -Maciamo
"There is obviously order to the universe. Is there any such thing as true chaos? If we think something is chaotic, it probably just follows a pattern we have yet to understand. There's order in atoms, the Earth's revolutions around the sun, matter...I don't think anything could exist without some kind of order. There's a pattern to everything around us. I challenge anyone to find something that has no form of organization." -Brooker
"The very idea or 'chaos' vs 'organisation' depend on our own perception as humans. It could be that other intelligent being in the universe have a different perception of what is 'organised'. And yet, that would still be from a life being point of view. For instance, it is logical to think that between 2 'intelligent' living creatures, the most sophisticated might have a stricter definition of organisation." -Maciamo
"EVERYTHING has some kind of organization to varying degrees of complexity. And to make the tree falling in the woods argument ... the organization would exist even if no one was around to perceive it. So the opinions of the '2 intelligent living creatures' is of little significance and has no effect of the nature of 'the organization'." -Brooker
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