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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycernius
    I've always wondered what the religious extremists would say if aliens arrived on earth. Probably that they are Satans minions come to corrupt man.
    There's a video game called NARC where you get to bust people like that. Religious extremists that is. It's pretty funny!

    Extremist: "You're going to burn in Hell!"
    You after you bust the extremist: "You have the right to shut your dumbass up."

    I've had to defend myself to a lot of Jesus freaks in the past. They've got a tendency to quote a lot from the Bible if they get stuck, I have to use science and logic. I used to work with a convert to JW for 5 years. This tends to focus the mind.
    When I get stuck with those types of people I use Kung Fu like Robert Stack in the movie Airplane.

    Our survival trait is our bigger brain and intelligence. Being a weaker animal you have to find some way to defend yourself against stronger animals. This has been seen in chimps against baboons. A chimp will used a weapon to defend itself. It uses it's intelligence to overcome a stronger foe. It should be more survival of the intelligent. See the Darwin Awards
    Don't remind me. We say we're the smartest yet there are more stupid people in this world than I can count! Seriously who feeds their kid pestiside because they ate ants? Or how about somebody trying to rob a gun store, with off duty cops in it? Damn the stupidity of some people just amazes me.

    I didn't say God controlled your life. I implied that the religious say that it is gods will if something happens. No, that is nature. You strike me as more spiritual than God obsessed.
    Pragmatist = ME

    I guess I am more a science and logic type along with the force of nature. It's a case of what my interest are, and I am the science type.
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    Don't you insult me with big words, even if they are partially true.
    I think isayhello san has raised some good points as well.

    PS: I thought you said you wouldn't reply to these post as they are hypocritical? Who needs Maciamo to argue against you?
    Maciamo is a cynic and a skeptic. I think that's reason enough.

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    statues and temples are man-made artifacts.

    as far as i have understood, shintoism is about to see the natural forces as "gods". somehow true, as they nourish us humans, and they are not inanimate.

    many religions (like christianity) are simply death cults, supporting a global end by various efforts. like to teach small children about cruel crucification punishment. a large part of the new testament is about the judgement procedure, which takes tree days. this is my personal perception.


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    You people hate the hypocrisy of organized religion, and come to the conclusion that there's nothing there. However, you are adamant about having free will (like people with religion do); that you think there's not a power in the entire universe that can stop you. But in reality, you know there is something there. You're just too scared to admit it. Thinking that there is would make you question life and the order of things. It would cause chaos in your life and routines, and you don't want that. So you choose to believe in nothing hoping that you're right, and that everything will be okay. Humanity is better suited on it's own than with a god. To bad it doesn't work out that way.
    Doc, it takes ALOTTA faith to be an atheist!

    Loved your rants!

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    I think spirits exists. They can be bad, good, more or less powerful. But no God, Satan, Heaven or Hell.

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    ... “doubt” is what God uses to test us ... a leap of faith is the solution!

    If you grew up Catholic and you want to be worthy of Heaven you have to believe and follow the Dogma, ... and it's not optional.

    If you are not Catholic, to have access to Paradise you just have to be a good person.

    It is easier for a non-Catholic to go to Heaven than a Catholic, ... because Catholics have already been exposed to the “truth” and they have no excuses.

    ... the Nuns told me, many many years ago :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... “doubt” is what God uses to test us ... a leap of faith is the solution!

    If you grew up Catholic and you want to be worthy of Heaven you have to believe and follow the Dogma, ... and it's not optional.

    If you are not Catholic, to have access to Paradise you just have to be a good person.

    It is easier for a non-Catholic to go to Heaven than a Catholic, ... because Catholics have already been exposed to the “truth” and they have no excuses.

    ... the Nuns told me, many many years ago :)
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    For many reasons the thinkers -in deep time exelixis process- decide to recognize two options
    for decoding the human evolution from philosohical aspect and in extend to historiography and
    social sciences in general, and those are the "tragic' and the "eschatologic" one.

    The Hellenic pre christian cosmoideal and the prontestantic iluminative messianism.

    At the first one -shortly, The world move in a circle, similarities with Brahmanism and versions of
    polytheist religions at the wider region is obvious. The world move in conflict with the Heraklitean (polemos) war
    as father creator and the Hesiodian (Eris) quarrel. There will never be peace.
    Kratos (state) and his sister Bia (violence) is the pillars of the hellenic cosmopolitan phaenomenon.
    There is Hybris and blasphemery against divine order, which gods punish and often revenge, but there is not paradise or hell
    for those who challenge or worship them.

    At the messianistic ones: The world extend in a straight line in constantly progress. At this option
    the monotheistic authority have a plan and everything is under control. The deterministic frame of the world could explained
    in terms of causes and reasons. There is hell and paradise here and out of this place, but at the end the world will be better.
    The messianistic option rely -mostly- on the judaism theological tradition.

    I personally percieve -any of that kind questions- with heart
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    Quote Originally Posted by ΠΑΝΑΞ View Post


    I personally percieve -any of that kind questions- with heart
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    Well, actually I wish to...

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    Gods and spirits were always a way to explain the unexplainable. In our past we had many of those, cause we didn't understand our environment. The gods changed according to our perception, from animals as we lived in forests to pantheons of gods of trade, forging and smithing etc., to only one omnipotent god. So what is next? Now we understand much more and we have science and reasoning in the meanwhile. Gods and spirits continuously lose their importance. My family was religious, I was traditionally raised that way but at some point I couldn't take fairytales and anthrophomorphic divine creatures literally and seriously any more. I am an atheist, I don't believe or feel any presence of gods or spirits. There will always be something that we don't understand but the history proved that it has nothing to do with the supernatural.

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    When I was a child, I thought as a child. My parents and grandparents could answer all my questions and explain the world. I thought they knew everything. But when I became a man, I put away childish thoughts. I realized my elders didn't know everything, and that the best explanation of the universe came from science.

    I think religions arose from a childish nostalgia for all-knowing, all-powerful parent figures. Departed parents and grandparents became deified as sky father, earth mother and other personified forces of nature. Ancestor worship developed into the various religions we see today. For thousands of years they satisfied the people's thirst for explanation. Then science came along and produced an evidence-based universal knowledge system that cruelly exposed the limitations of supernatural explanatory systems.

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    God is the eternal imaginary parent that hinders you from taking personal responsibility.

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    Do you mean instead how people would imagine God or what people think of their God?

    Some people think of their God as caring, others as raging, loving, or indifferent. It will change from the theology of he religion.

    How would a Hindu imagine one of his gods? He could just look at the different depictions of this god, or create a picture based on the books.
    How would a Jew or Muslim imagine God though? They can't perceive it, since their god is shapeless. They can, supposedly, receive messages from God, but those often come through angels.

    I am an atheist, so I don't imagine God, but I can imagine other religions' idea of God. If I were to "perceive" God, I would perhaps check into the psychiatrist for schizophraenia.
    I don't deny that God(s) exist(s) (though for philosophical reasons I believe the supernatural cannot be experienced by humans, so in practice the supernatural does not exist), I just don't believe in him because I haven't find evidence or a strong reasoning that supports his existence. English has this problem (and here is the evidence for how language influences and perhaps limits thought) where there is do or do not, but no neutral. In epistemology there is something called the third epistemic position. Typically, the triple is: believe (X is the case), believe in the denial (X is not the case), not hold a belief (I don't know if X). I don't believe in the denial of God(s), but I don't hold a belief about it, which is the difference between atheism and antitheism (the actual faith that atheism is often accused of being).

    There are different types of Gods that I can conceive of existing. In simulation theory, God would be the system/mechanism that creates our universe, or the thing that is operating it. In a theistic sense, God would be a being that is powerful of violating the laws of physics but not of logic. And in a materialistic (physicalist more accurately) world, God would be nature and its mechanisms. These are the three types of Gods I can think of as possible off the top of my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamakore View Post
    Then science came along and produced an evidence-based universal knowledge system that cruelly exposed the limitations of supernatural explanatory systems.
    It is important to notice that, as far back as Ancient Greece, there were already attempts at explaining the universe without turning to faith, and that was 2ky before the coming of science.

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