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    For EU wholehearted. Every small country is for the EU. It gives them security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    i am 100% anti-Eu IF you retain nations in the EU.

    If you want to have nations in the EU , then do not have euro money ...all MUST have there own currency.
    Any other system which has nations does not work, as was stated in the 1990s by economists.
    That's not the EU. You're talking about the eurozone - a separate institution from the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    That's not the EU. You're talking about the eurozone - a separate institution from the EU.
    ? what?....that my opinion on how it should work regardless of what it is
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    I'm for EU, and suppose my country will become the member of EU. But EU must change and central authorities should have more power. In fact, if the EU wants to be strong it must sooner or later become a federation with all the powers of the federation (finance, population, army etc.).

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    Im very anti-EU and I would like to get ouf it badly, and also get back to our national money (the Peseta). To hell with the EU.

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    slightly pro, there is some necessity, but they should keep it simple, and there should be less politics and politicians in general (not only in the EU)

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    I voted Mildly Pro-EU but I think I'm somewhere between there and Very Pro-EU. I would like to see more smart integration that benefits all countries. While I believe EU expansion is good I think evaluating the potential ramifications needs to be more thought out. Also would like to see an end to NATO and a true independent EU military.

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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    I am anti EU for several reasons.
    1)I dont want single currency
    2)I believe Europe is made of several nations each with unique people, culture, etc.
    3)I dont like the idea of one supranational union.
    4)Open borders and immigration are major problems.
    5)Some countries benefit, others lose from it.
    6)The current EU politics is not democratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    I am anti EU for several reasons.
    1)I dont want single currency
    2)I believe Europe is made of several nations each with unique people, culture, etc.
    3)I dont like the idea of one supranational union.
    4)Open borders and immigration are major problems.
    5)Some countries benefit, others lose from it.
    Can we say the same about Canada and USA?
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    I think the EU should represent a block of countries with geographic adjacency, an at least partially shared common history and origins, and common interests in the global scenario. But no "european commission" (what is its REAL role?), no bureaucratic impositions, and if it doesn't work properly, as it is now, no common currency. There could be a common currency for the international commercial transactions, and national currencies (somehow "linked" together as it was before the euro). National curriencies worked better because they were real expressions of their own territories.
    Let the council of the european governments (democratically elected), the only functional legislative body of the Union. The commission could exist only in order to help the governments council routine.
    Nullum magnum ingenium mixtura dementiae fuit.

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    Personally I really find the common currency great easy to compare and no hustle to exchange. I appreciated more the common euro currency when visiting Copenhagen from Malmo (that means Sweden to Denmark Just 30 minutes over the Oresund bridge ) both in the EU but not in the EuroZone, so both have their own different currency and have to change money in each place. besides the fact that you have to keep converting every time just to know how much something costs. Nostalgic for local currencies yes, Practical? not too sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maleth View Post
    Personally I really find the common currency great easy to compare and no hustle to exchange. I appreciated more the common euro currency when visiting Copenhagen from Malmo (that means Sweden to Denmark Just 30 minutes over the Oresund bridge ) both in the EU but not in the EuroZone, so both have their own different currency and have to change money in each place. besides the fact that you have to keep converting every time just to know how much something costs. Nostalgic for local currencies yes, Practical? not too sure.
    I don't think it's a question of nostalgia, Maleth, or at least it shouldn't be the prime consideration, obviously. In my opinion, unless the southern European countries get rid of the Euro they'll continue to struggle economically. I also don't see how Italy, in particular, is benefiting from it or the EU in general, which is my primary focus, or at least I don't think the benefits outweigh the negatives as far as the current system is concerned. Just how has the EU helped Italy with the problems resulting from all the refugees of one sort or another that wash up on her shores? Plus, she is already strangled by regulations. How would more regulations, and especially those propagated by a bunch of bureaucrats with no allegiance to her solve any of her problems? As presently constituted, the decisions will be made by other countries to their benefit, not Italy's, in my opinion.

    Ed. I almost wish I hadn't posted. I spent more than enough time this summer in rancorous arguments about the EU and politics and economics in general. It's not for nothing that some people say never discuss politics or religion. I almost came to blows with my nearest and dearest this summer (well, that's an exaggeration, but you know what I mean, I'm sure. ), and it ended with some family members telling me to keep my mouth shut until I return and pay my taxes there, instead of just alighting for visits a couple of months a year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I don't think it's a question of nostalgia, Maleth, or at least it shouldn't be the prime consideration, obviously. In my opinion, unless the southern European countries get rid of the Euro they'll continue to struggle economically. I also don't see how Italy, in particular, is benefiting from it or the EU in general, which is my primary focus, or at least I don't think the benefits outweigh the negatives as far as the current system is concerned. Just how has the EU helped Italy with the problems resulting from all the refugees of one sort or another that wash up on her shores? Plus, she is already strangled by regulations. How would more regulations, and especially those propagated by a bunch of bureaucrats with no allegiance to her solve any of her problems? As presently constituted, the decisions will be made by other countries to their benefit, not Italy's, in my opinion.
    I admit I am not much of an economist and I am not too sure why the Euro can be beneficial for the economy except for the basic arguments of more transparency in how much something costs in one country and knowing who is making the best deal without the risk of getting fractured currency fluctuations. Somehow it has facilitated travel and moving around. Also its the exchange costs involved, but regardless of that I really do not know much more. My comment is more in regards to the days of my childhood when we had to regularly exchange currency to go anywhere and now it feels like a little luxury going (business or leisure) to Eurozone countries. I remember feeling annoyed changing money going to Sweden, then changing Money again to go to Denmark, then changing money again to enter back in Sweden and changing money again to come back to Malta. I kept saying, is it really necessary? On the other hand countries out of the Eurozone seem to be doing good if not better, but then deep down I feel they would do even better (and not the other way round) if they had the Euro. I think or believe there are other factors rather then the Euro in regards to economy performance. Just my opinion.

    In regards to refugees I believe it has been the biggest negative effect even on Malta with a population of just over 400,000 to cater for such an influx of refugees and being told by the Beurocrats in Brussels (as you put it) that once they enter here its our problem and nobody else!. It was only the US who was willing to take a few hundreds. None of them intended to come to Malta and just were directed here by bad weather. The EU handed out some extra money as a one time handout and mostly to upgrade the detention centres with better facilities!. One has to see the repercussions of such an influx on such a small population.


    Ed. I almost wish I hadn't posted. I spent more than enough time this summer in rancorous arguments about the EU and politics and economics in general. It's not for nothing that some people say never discuss politics or religion. I almost came to blows with my nearest and dearest this summer (well, that's an exaggeration, but you know what I mean, I'm sure. ), and it ended with some family members telling me to keep my mouth shut until I return and pay my taxes there
    ....Very familiar with the situation

    instead of just alighting for visits a couple of months a year.
    couple of months a year is really frequent Angela. Do not forget your little side trip south next time

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    Europe is not the Europe of 50's, just after the war, neither the Europe of 70's 80's with the big dreaming politicians, who build EU,

    2015 is a catalytic year, starting from 22/01/2015 when Dragi will anounce the ECB reports
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Europe is not the Europe of 50's, just after the war, neither the Europe of 70's 80's with the big dreaming politicians, who build EU,

    2015 is a catalytic year, starting from 22/01/2015 when Dragi will anounce the ECB reports

    besides
    it is another thing
    1)the EEC
    2) the EU
    3) the Fiscal union (ECB Eurozone,)

    it is other thing
    Dublin treaty
    Lisbon treaty
    Maas..trich (difficult orthography) treaty
    etc etc


    some countries today are still in the status of EEC
    , avoiding the treaties of EU

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    I'm absolutely pro-EU.
    For me europeans are may brothers with a common millenary history.
    I dream a federal Europe with no countries but only regions with a wide autonomy. We can stay united in our differences.

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    I am PRO-EU ONLY if all nations in Europe are removed , if not , then I am ANTI-EU

    EU cannot function with nations within it having so much power
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Interesting results, I'm very pro-EU myself but I love diversity in opinion. I'd love to hear from some people who are anti-EU.

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    I am very pro-EU too. Ofcourse there are things only national gouvernments can decide on. But many things should be handeld by Brussels. Foreign-policy for example. I also think the level of education and healthcare should be the same in every country in the EU. To have a common foreign policy we should also have a European Army. Combining all the European army's to one so we can be a better partner in NATO and can act on ourselves without the finite help of the USA. The crisis in Ukrain, for example, could have been avoided if the EU had already integrated to a federation.

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    I am pro EU. But EU need to change. Only one constitution, only one government, only one army, only one currency, only one borderline, etc etc. They need more centralization, if they want less problems and troubles on the future. They need to be a real state, as it is
    well USA

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    I want a united Europe, but there must be freedom for all peoples (like mine), border controls, less power for Brussels to set policies, no enforcement of laws based on liberal-leftist moral codes, restricted immigration, and no federalism. To me, European federalists are mentally insane fascists. You can't get Slavs to join if you force your morals and ethnocentrism on us, and immigration (especially Islamic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    I am pro EU. But EU need to change. Only one constitution, only one government, only one army, only one currency, only one borderline, etc etc. They need more centralization, if they want less problems and troubles on the future. They need to be a real state, as it is
    well USA
    But we don't want that. Do you care about the desires of the European people? Europeans did not sign up to give away their countries, only to form a union to prevent further violence, but Brussels is corrupt and out of control. Europe isn't supposed to be like America, Europe is made up of different countries, with different currencies, borders, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Can we say the same about Canada and USA?
    To an extent, but the nations of Canada and America are already part of a larger entity to which they are loyal and there are far less cultural differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    To an extent, but the nations of Canada and America are already part of a larger entity to which they are loyal and there are far less cultural differences.
    Like between me and my Muslim or Hindu neighbor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinarid View Post
    I want a united Europe, but there must be freedom for all peoples (like mine), border controls, less power for Brussels to set policies, no enforcement of laws based on liberal-leftist moral codes, restricted immigration, and no federalism. To me, European federalists are mentally insane fascists. You can't get Slavs to join if you force your morals and ethnocentrism on us, and immigration (especially Islamic).
    So you want a United Europe but every country doing their own thing? There is already system invented like this. It is called anarchy.

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