Notions about Good and Evil

[jarvis]

where did I say that?

[Revenant]

What is the good fruit Jarvis? More to the point, what does it mean to believe in God? Would it include compassion? Empathy?

[jarvis]

I have yet to see where I did these things you accuse me of..
:/

[jarvis]

What is the good fruit Jarvis? More to the point, what does it mean to believe in God? Would it include compassion? Empathy?

1. http://www.keyway.ca/htm2004/20041210.htm
2. everything
3. yes
4. yes


Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

[Revenant]

I know those passages very well. Now, what is love? Define it! Love is the greatest, so we need to define it right? This is something that I also thought a lot about, and in the end, the Buddhist idea of love made a lot of sense to me.

To me, love is to hope for and actively bring someone happiness. It is to end unnecessary suffering whenever possible. Your definition?

[Mycernius]

and I am goyim if you beleive the idiotic talmud

I really hope you are being sarcastic. The "idiotic talmud" as you put it is the basis of your faith ie: The Old Testament.
And please quit with the constant quotations from the Bible. Other people on this forum who are Christian manage without them and can still put relevent points across without them.

I see nothing but anger and hatred in your posts against whoever's not in your extended racial/sectarian group.

I can see it as well

[jarvis]

the talmud is not the old testament..yeeesshh


this might help y'all understand what love is more..

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ktheology.html

Revenant, and if that doesn't work pm me!

:)

[No-name]

The Torah Shebiksav (or Tanach) is 24 books we commonly call "The Old Testament." The Talmud has six Seders or sections written in 188 and the late 600's AD.

jarvis- I would never question your faith, but the sources you have cited and the focus and tenor of some of your posts lead me and apparently a few others here to question your character.

[jarvis]

I only posted 1 racist article and I said that it was racist and I just wanted to see what people thought about it..


I guess I don't judge people as much as some on here, maybe that the problem?

:/

[Dutch Baka]

Everybody is born Normal... no good nor evil. as they get older, they start to learn things, from their surounding. when you get to learn that stealing is good, you will do it to.. when all your friends do it you will do it to...

i think an important thing of becoming evil is first of all; how did you get raised up; did you get enough attention? did your mom or dad beat you up now and then? this can damage you bad, and might want to payback for what happen, and think to get beaten, etc is normal, so you can do it too to other people!

another things is Money... money has become to important in people there lives, and they know it, money gives power!!! when you have money you can do many things, but also people want to do things with you... if you combine this things together, i think there will become evil....

MONEY, POWER, HOW TO GET RAISED...

but yeah... who decide what is evil or good?

[jarvis]

you cannot serve God and money

[prmudge2]

To put it very simply, the difference between good and evil is merely the choice of cause.

[McTojo]

Most of you have bought up bibilical references as to what good and evil is , well, most of you are dead wrong. In fact, it's almost puerile to believe such notions anymore.

The notion of good, as history would suggest, is an opinion; It has always been that way. Good and Evil both co-exist within a universal balance or a
symbiosis of sorts. If everybody was good then how would you know if we were truly good unless we had Evil to gage ourselves ?

Hitler tried to annihilate the Jews because in his eye's the Jews were a threat to the security and prosperity of the German nation; in his eye's this was seen as GOOD !

Tojo was responsible for the murder of over 20 million people during WW2; in his opinion this was Good because in his eye's it ensured the security and prosperity of Japan.

Big Bad Idi Amin Dada(Former dictator/general of Uganda) murdered millions blacks and asians in order to protect his legacy and power; in his eye's this was seen as good, not evil.

And like so many other opinions in this world , opinions are subject to change albeit in varying degrees.

Evil:

The teenager who has an abortion because she can't support a child , let alone herself. In her eye's this is seen as evil but in the long run she see's it as good or the other way around.

The pastor who take money from the poor then uses it to buy a nice house and a big car so he can ride around in the ghetto's telling everybody " look what God gave me, ain't he good?"

The Korean shopkeeper that hardly speaks English who goes into the poorest and most crime invested ghetto's and opens up a liquor store, not a school, not a library, not a drug rehab center but a liquor store. Now, not only is there rampant drugs and prostitution and gang violence in these poor area's but now there are liquor store added to the mix and on every corner that sells booze as a way to keep people drunk Monday through Friday. And on that same block you have churches !
Of all my travels around the world I have never seen so many churches and liqour stores on one corner in my whole life. The slums of America were designed as a deathtrap for lower income people . Sunday they get to ask God for forgiveness while giving money to the hypocrite pastor then after church they head on over to the liqour store so they can get drunk all over again. This is seen as good, right ? After all, you don't see this type of set up in affluent neighborhood, do you ?

The harmony of good and evil is what brings balance to civility.

[X_Naruto]

Forgive me if I ramble but here goes.. I have long argued that there is no such things as 'Good' or 'Bad' because these things are culturaly and historically located and generally speaking they can be measured on a sliding scale of just 'How bad' or 'How good' which leaves lots of areas rather grey. For a clearer working definition of good or bad then I prefer 'desirable' or 'undesirable'. This applies only to the actions of an individual when applied to another living creature. I firmly believe that you cannot knowingly commit an act of evil/bad (Undesirable) against oneself.

So armed with this knowledge how do I define 'Evil'? Well in a sense I don't. You see I come back to the point - there is only desirable and undesirable. Therefore anything undesirable could be classed as wrong/bad/evil. Evil is a loaded term, it is loaded with malevolence and is used (I believe) when someone finds their senses so stupified by an act of badness which they find diificult to express, explain or understand. So to make themselves feel better they apply the name Evil and in a way by doing so they need no longer try to understand what really happened because Evil = Diabolical or senseless and therefore requires no explanation.

[lexico]

Most of you have bought up bibilical references as to what good and evil is , well, most of you are dead wrong. In fact, it's almost puerile to believe such notions anymore.

The notion of good, as history would suggest, is an opinion; It has always been that way. Good and Evil both co-exist within a universal balance or a
symbiosis of sorts. If everybody was good then how would you know if we were truly good unless we had Evil to gage ourselves ?

Hitler tried to annihilate the Jews because in his eye's the Jews were a threat to the security and prosperity of the German nation; in his eye's this was seen as GOOD !

Tojo was responsible for the murder of over 20 million people during WW2; in his opinion this was Good because in his eye's it ensured the security and prosperity of Japan.

Big Bad Idi Amin Dada(Former dictator/general of Uganda) murdered millions blacks and asians in order to protect his legacy and power; in his eye's this was seen as good, not evil.

And like so many other opinions in this world , opinions are subject to change albeit in varying degrees.

Evil:

The teenager who has an abortion because she can't support a child , let alone herself. In her eye's this is seen as evil but in the long run she see's it as good or the other way around.

The pastor who take money from the poor then uses it to buy a nice house and a big car so he can ride around in the ghetto's telling everybody " look what God gave me, ain't he good?"

The Korean shopkeeper that hardly speaks English who goes into the poorest and most crime invested ghetto's and opens up a liquor store, not a school, not a library, not a drug rehab center but a liquor store. Now, not only is there rampant drugs and prostitution and gang violence in these poor area's but now there are liquor store added to the mix and on every corner that sells booze as a way to keep people drunk Monday through Friday. And on that same block you have churches !
Of all my travels around the world I have never seen so many churches and liqour stores on one corner in my whole life. The slums of America were designed as a deathtrap for lower income people . Sunday they get to ask God for forgiveness while giving money to the hypocrite pastor then after church they head on over to the liqour store so they can get drunk all over again. This is seen as good, right ? After all, you don't see this type of set up in affluent neighborhood, do you ?

You work so hard to break down the definition of good and evil...

The harmony of good and evil

but go on to use the two terms you just undermined ?

... is what brings balance to civility.

civility ? Okay, to add the frosting. You've done a wonderful job of self-refutation by that oxymoron. As for the underpriviledged slum dwellers who go to church on Sunday, you really shouldn't take away what they have, for it's all they got, hope, faith, and love - all wrapped up in a promise that is meant ot be fulfilled. And you cannot possibly prove that promise will never be fulfilled; that is what lies at the heart of Christianity. In fact, those of west European descent are the benefactors of 2 millenia of preferential upbringing in the name of the Church which evolved esp. strong in western Europe and the countries it spawned. You should be grateful for what you've got, and be generous accordingly.

[NotUrHero]

I think some people born with some tendencies to be good and bad. It's about how empathic are they

[leperrine]

Good and Evil are nothing more than labels we created to symbolize energetic states so we could better connect this information to our conscious mind. Think of it as an abstraction from more complex information. Similar to an App. An app is nothing more than an abstracted user interface to control the flow of electricity. Your brain operates in the same manner.

[real expert]

I reject the philosophical notion, that there is no objective standard of "good" and "evil", thus that it is all subjective. Relativistic views of morality are quite fashionable these days. If there is not such thing as objective "good" or "evil" that means the moral judgment that oppression, slavery, racism, or genocide are wrong, is only relatively true or false to some particular standpoint. There were people and cultures who saw nothing wrong with slavery or oppressing and exploiting an entire population that was weaker than oneself. So in these cultures, slavery or oppressing people was not morally wrong or evil. When going by moral relativism then what goes on within a society should only be judged by the prevailing norms of that society. This is very problematic.

[EV13SON]

I think a lot of earlier religions had many mischievous gods or spirits that weren't necessarily viewed as pure Evil, but it seems like Evil is a later concept. Take Set he was a God we may consider Evil by today's standards for killing Osiris, but he was still believed to have served a purpose in the Ancient world, he represented the destruction that is sometimes necessary for new life or ideas to take root.

[bnuizqueb]

by nature you will not. anyway, otherwise you will be doomed!