Personality Myers-Briggs 16 personalities test

Sorry, I'm usually INFJ. Are you saying that's the rarest among women? Not that this surprises me, necessarily.

Usually? Cognitive types do not change with time. When people receive different types in different tests, it doesn't mean the person changed his/her type, it means the test(s) is not good enough. Even the best tests give no more than 80% correct results and consistent results.
ENTJ and INTJ are the rarest among women. INFJ among men.

Do you mean that INTP and INTJ predominate on genetics and population history forums?

There is a majority of those types on almost any kind of forum. These two types are statisticaly the least social (IRL) in the common sense. They both have a set of favorite topics they love to talk about and the only place they could do it is in the internet, with people of shared interests. Forums happen to be this sweet spot they can talk, communicate, share thoughts.
 
Usually? Cognitive types do not change with time. When people receive different types in different tests, it doesn't mean the person changed his/her type, it means the test(s) is not good enough. Even the best tests give no more than 80% correct results and consistent results.
ENTJ and INTJ are the rarest among women. INFJ among men.



There is a majority of those types on almost any kind of forum. These two types are statisticaly the least social (IRL) in the common sense. They both have a set of favorite topics they love to talk about and the only place they could do it is in the internet, with people of shared interests. Forums happen to be this sweet spot they can talk, communicate, share thoughts.

The only test I've ever taken is the Myers Briggs one that is the subject of this discussion. I've taken it four times at widely spaced intervals. Three out of the four times I came out INFJ. Maybe on that off day I was in a bad mood. :)

I questioned your comment to me because it didn't make sense to me that it would be so rare among women.
 
The only test I've ever taken is the Myers Briggs one that is the subject of this discussion. I've taken it four times at widely spaced intervals. Three out of the four times I came out INFJ. Maybe on that off day I was in a bad mood. :)

I questioned your comment to me because it didn't make sense to me that it would be so rare among women.

Oh, yes, I just read your original comment again. It seems I glitched and saw you wrote INTJ. But INFJ is 3rd rarest among women anyway. And 1st rarest among men.

This is statistics on people tested in USA:
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Although mind that various countries could get somewhat different statistics. However strange it may sound the first time, some countries have more extroverts, introverts, intuitive or sensual oriented people, etc.


p.s. "rarest" is far-fetched ofc. 1.5% out of 300mln is 4.5mln people
 
Oh, yes, I just read your original comment again. It seems I glitched and saw you wrote INTJ. But INFJ is 3rd rarest among women anyway. And 1st rarest among men.

This is statistics on people tested in USA:
Screen-Shot-2014-11-18-at-1.01.31-PM.png


Although mind that various countries could get somewhat different statistics. However strange it may sound the first time, some countries have more extroverts, introverts, intuitive or sensual oriented people, etc.


p.s. "rarest" is far-fetched ofc. 1.5% out of 300mln is 4.5mln people

Your statement (bolded) makes perfect sense to me, I assure you. Are there any stats on that, by country I mean?

I knew what you meant about rarest. It was nice to know, actually, that I'm not the only person with this combination of perhaps seemingly contradictory traits.

I've found this test and analysis rather helpful as a matter of fact. It's one of the things that helped me make sense of the differences I could see between my reactions and those of people around me, especially here.
 
I, myself, am an ENTP. Intuitive extroverted type

Carl Jung typology is one of my hobbies and I have a site where I type people by watching them reply to questions (visual typology)
Does it work also when English is not the first language?
I am not really sure about my Myers Briggs. All I know for sure is NT, tests always give me ENTP, but I am not 100% buying it.
 
Your statement (bolded) makes perfect sense to me, I assure you. Are there any stats on that, by country I mean?

I knew what you meant about rarest. It was nice to know, actually, that I'm not the only person with this combination of perhaps seemingly contradictory traits.

I've found this test and analysis rather helpful as a matter of fact. It's one of the things that helped me make sense of the differences I could see between my reactions and those of people around me, especially here.

This site claims to have lots of statistics on each country:
https://www.16personalities.com/country-profiles
Mind though that this statistics is based on people who took their test. Not all types are equally interested in such tests.
I have seen also stats by official organisations on UK, Australia somewhere, but couldn't find atm.

Yes, the test is very helpful, especially when you go past the letters and see what they mean. INFJ is just an mbti nomenclature for someone whose main cognitive function is Introverted Intuition (Ni) and auxiliary function Extroverted Feeling (or ethics, to be more precise) (Fe). Those two indeed often conflict. Which often results in quite intriguing personality.

Does it work also when English is not the first language?
I am not really sure about my Myers Briggs. All I know for sure is NT, tests always give me ENTP, but I am not 100% buying it.

It works when English is not the first language if you are fluent enough to understand what they ask
take this one
http://www.sociotype.com/tests/ the most exact online test out of those I have encountered. Take time answering though. Think over every answer.
Although technically it is not MBTI test. It is a socionics test. But they are almost the same. They use the same system of cognitive functions observed by Carl Jung and also use very similar nomenclature
 
It works when English is not the first language if you are fluent enough to understand what they ask
take this one
http://www.sociotype.com/tests/ the most exact online test out of those I have encountered. Take time answering though. Think over every answer.
Although technically it is not MBTI test. It is a socionics test. But they are almost the same. They use the same system of cognitive functions observed by Carl Jung and also use very similar nomenclature
In socionics I am ENTj without doubt. Socionics ENTp is not exactly me.

In MBTI tests say ENTp. But both ENTp and ENTj descriptions are kind of OKayish, but not 100% me.
Myers - Briggs ENTj description sounds a bit like Socionics ESTp. Commander vs Marshall. (Socionics name ENTj "Enterpreneur" and ESTp "Marshall", however MB does it vice versa ENTj "Commander" and ESTp "Entrepreneur" :) )
Myers - Briggs ENTp sounds like me. Although I am not that emotionally insensitive, and somehow got a big plan for whatever I do, even if I got distracted by curious things and learn new stuff, just because fascinating, not really useful.


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Your Sociotype: LIE-1Ni
Te.gif
Ni.gif
(ENTj)


Other possible types:
INTp - 99%
ENTp - 86%
INFp??? - 66%

http://www.sociotype.com/tests/result/est/200891
 
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In socionics I am ENTj without doubt. Socionics ENTp is not exactly me.

In MBTI tests say ENTp. But both ENTp and ENTj descriptions are kind of OKayish, but not 100% me.
Myers - Briggs ENTj description sounds a bit like Socionics ESTp. Commander vs Marshall. (Socionics name ENTj "Enterpreneur" and ESTp "Marshall", however MB does it vice versa ENTj "Commander" and ESTp "Entrepreneur" :) )
Myers - Briggs ENTp sounds like me. Although I am not that emotionally insensitive, and somehow got a big plan for whatever I do, even if I got distracted by curious things and learn new stuff, just because fascinating, not really useful.


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Your Sociotype: LIE-1Ni
Te.gif
Ni.gif
(ENTj)


Other possible types:
INTp - 99%
ENTp - 86%
INFp??? - 66%

http://www.sociotype.com/tests/result/est/200891

That's interesting. Let's analyse it

The test gave you ENTJ, whose major cognitive functions are Te and Ni
The second possibility the test gave you was socionics INTp, which is the same as MBTI INTJ, whose major functions are Ni and Te (different order from the first option)
The fourth possibility is socionics INFp, which is MBTI INFJ, which uses Ni and Fe as major cognitive functions.

That makes me think you are using Ni as one of your first cognitive functions, which is not present in ENTP at all.
As for "nicknames" of the types - those are just marketing features, they do not carry much information and are avoided when people come deeper in this whole Cognitive thing.

Now, ENTP and ENTJ. Despite having three letters in common, they don't share a single conscious cognitive function. ENTP is Ne+Ti+Fe+Si, while ENTJ is Te+Ni+Se+Fi
They are drastically different personality-wise

If you are stuck between these two, its worth reading descriptions of their dominant functions.
For ENTP it is Ne:
Ne is generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others.
Types that value Ne prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out. They pick a few options and stick with them, in contrast to introverted intuition (Ni) types who pick one option and continue to doubt that option. They enjoy discussing unusual insights into the nature of the world and crazy out-there ideas, like space elevators. Typical Ne quadra humor juxtaposes seemingly unrelated phenomena.

For ENTJ it is Te:
Extroverted logic deals with the external activity of objects, i.e the how, what and where of events, activity or work, behaviour, algorithms, movement, and actions. The how, what and where of events would be the external activity of events, activity or work would be the external activity of a machine or individual(s) and algorithms describe the external activity of objects.
Since Te perceives objective, factual information outside the subject (external activity) and analyzes the rationale and functionality of what is happening or being done or said. "Quality" to a Te type is how well an object performs the functions for which it was made. A Te type can judge a person to be "effective" if he is able to achieve his purposes without wasting any energy or producing unwanted side effects. So Te types basically evaluate people and things using the same criteria.

Which one rings the bell for you?
 
That makes me think you are using Ni as one of your first cognitive functions, which is not present in ENTP at all.
Yeah, I am strongly Ni. In socionics Ni type of ENTj.

Now, ENTP and ENTJ. Despite having three letters in common, they don't share a single conscious cognitive function. ENTP is Ne+Ti+Fe+Si, while ENTJ is Te+Ni+Se+Fi
They are drastically different personality-wise
Sure, and in socionics I am ENTj. No discussion.

If you are stuck between these two, its worth reading descriptions of their dominant functions.
For ENTP it is Ne:
Ne is generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others.
Types that value Ne prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out. They pick a few options and stick with them, in contrast to introverted intuition (Ni) types who pick one option and continue to doubt that option. They enjoy discussing unusual insights into the nature of the world and crazy out-there ideas, like space elevators. Typical Ne quadra humor juxtaposes seemingly unrelated phenomena.

For ENTJ it is Te:
Extroverted logic deals with the external activity of objects, i.e the how, what and where of events, activity or work, behaviour, algorithms, movement, and actions. The how, what and where of events would be the external activity of events, activity or work would be the external activity of a machine or individual(s) and algorithms describe the external activity of objects.
Since Te perceives objective, factual information outside the subject (external activity) and analyzes the rationale and functionality of what is happening or being done or said. "Quality" to a Te type is how well an object performs the functions for which it was made. A Te type can judge a person to be "effective" if he is able to achieve his purposes without wasting any energy or producing unwanted side effects. So Te types basically evaluate people and things using the same criteria.


Which one rings the bell for you?
Bolded things ring the bell for me ;) I mean, according to socionics that Ne function is a strong function for ENTj s as well. And I would not say that I do not value it. I enjoy it :) Especially when I can get some benefit out of it:
"Essentially, the mental functions (primarily those in the Ego block) dictate the direction of thought but rely on the vital functions (primarily those in the Id block) for information and support."

8. Demonstrative Function
Producing
Vital
Strong

Unvalued

Although yeah, I value Ni > Ne. And therefore I am ENTj in Socionics.

Do you think Ne and Te descriptions are same for Socionics and MBTI?
 
I took the test again today, this time here, and got INTJ (Expert).

"You have many creative thoughts. You always try to turn your ideas into fact tirelessly reaching your goal that you set for yourself. You can understand the connotative model of the outer world and think with a long term perspective. Once you make a commitment, you make a plan and accomplish it. You are very independent and skeptical. You always have a high standard no matter if its for yourself or other people."

This site has really great, in-depth descriptions of each personality types, including an analysis of strengths and weaknesses, and typical behaviours at work, in relationships, as a parent, and so on.

It's amazing how my results change from year to year, except for the thinking component. In brackets is the summary from the site in link just above.

2002 : INTP : (Innovative inventors with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge)
2004 : ISTP (Bold and practical experimenters, masters of all kinds of tools)
2005 : ESTJ (Excellent administrators, unsurpassed at managing things - or people)
2014 : INTJ (Imaginative and strategic thinkers, with a plan for everything)


After reading all the descriptions, INTJ really is the closest to me now. I was living in Japan back in 2004-5, and that surely explains why I scored a bit higher on extroversion (I went out and socialised much more than now), and at first more sensing and perceiving as I was absorbing the culture and learning the language.

Thanks for the link :) I got ENFJ and have been getting that result for quite a while now.
 
Do you think Ne and Te descriptions are same for Socionics and MBTI?

Both Socionics and MBTI are based on Carl Jung Cognitive Function theory (in his book Psychological Types). He postulated 8 major types of personality, each with two subtypes, totalling 16 types. The major types are Te, Ti, Fe, Fi, Se, Si, Ne, Ni.
Every human has one of these as his/her dominant cognitive function (one that is the most conscious and natural).
So although (as we are all humans) some traits of one type could be seen in another, one person can only have one type and it doesn't change from the very birth.
What I am saying is that you are an ENTJ in both MBTI and Socionics. They are the same, even if descriptions vary a bit. They describe the same type of people.
 
I got ENFP the Journalist type?
 
I took the test again today, this time here, and got INTJ (Expert).

"You have many creative thoughts. You always try to turn your ideas into fact tirelessly reaching your goal that you set for yourself. You can understand the connotative model of the outer world and think with a long term perspective. Once you make a commitment, you make a plan and accomplish it. You are very independent and skeptical. You always have a high standard no matter if its for yourself or other people."

This site has really great, in-depth descriptions of each personality types, including an analysis of strengths and weaknesses, and typical behaviours at work, in relationships, as a parent, and so on.

It's amazing how my results change from year to year, except for the thinking component. In brackets is the summary from the site in link just above.

2002 : INTP : (Innovative inventors with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge)
2004 : ISTP (Bold and practical experimenters, masters of all kinds of tools)
2005 : ESTJ (Excellent administrators, unsurpassed at managing things - or people)
2014 : INTJ (Imaginative and strategic thinkers, with a plan for everything)


After reading all the descriptions, INTJ really is the closest to me now. I was living in Japan back in 2004-5, and that surely explains why I scored a bit higher on extroversion (I went out and socialised much more than now), and at first more sensing and perceiving as I was absorbing the culture and learning the language.

Took the test again today for the 5th time in 15 years. I am still clearly INTJ (Architect, Expert, Mastermind) like two years ago. The 16 personalities site has a new dimension: assertive vs turbulent, for which I scored almost 49-51%. In all the other dimensions I scored between 60 and 75% INTJ.
 
I was ESTP when I last did it . As an engineer the S and T are typical and I was strong on both, E/I and J/P we all varied on and I was middling and so I would vary on those if I took it again.
The names of each group are just for fun to me.
 
Every time i do these kind of tests, again today, it's consistent: INFJ
INFJ PERSONALITY (“THE ADVOCATE”)


The INFJ personality type is very rare, making up less than one percent of the population, but they nonetheless leave their mark on the world. As Diplomats, they have an inborn sense of idealism and morality, but what sets them apart is the accompanying Judging (J) trait – INFJs are not idle dreamers, but people capable of taking concrete steps to realize their goals and make a lasting positive impact.

http://personalityclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/infj-profile.png
 
I believe anyone capable of thinking outside of the box will consider this something that is completely normal in terms of people having many sides to them and on different days, when in different groups of people ... being able to adapt by one or the other side dominating. For example: I have noticed in an introvert group on FB that I once joined that many of those guys are extremely outgoing and super aggressive and "brave" behind their pc. So I am much more inclined to believe most of those character traits are really just adaptions to an environment we grew up in and that depending on social settings and tasks we need to complete in life, tendencies are forming as needed and as we sense them permitted or for us capable to manage.


For some reason, everytime I take the Myers
 
I did it on 2 other sites and both gave me ENFP.
 
Every time i do these kind of tests, again today, it's consistent: INFJ
INFJ PERSONALITY (“THE ADVOCATE”)


The INFJ personality type is very rare, making up less than one percent of the population, but they nonetheless leave their mark on the world. As Diplomats, they have an inborn sense of idealism and morality, but what sets them apart is the accompanying Judging (J) trait – INFJs are not idle dreamers, but people capable of taking concrete steps to realize their goals and make a lasting positive impact.

http://personalityclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/infj-profile.png

I'm tougher than this, and more extroverted and fun-loving as well, but it's pretty good, I must say.

I'd also say that with time I've become a disillusioned idealist. I just don't want to slip into cynicism.

I also find it easier to love humanity en masse than on an individual basis.

When I get to know people better I unfortunately find that self-regard, selfishness, and stupidity abound, along with a very low regard for the truth. Except for the people I truly love, I'm really happier in my own head most of the time.
 
I'd also say that with time I've become a disillusioned idealist. I just don't want to slip into cynicism.

I also find it easier to love humanity en masse than on an individual basis.

When I get to know people better I unfortunately find that self-regard, selfishness, and stupidity abound, along with a very low regard for the truth. Except for the people I truly love, I'm really happier in my own head most of the time.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :)
 
I'm tougher than this, and more extroverted and fun-loving as well, but it's pretty good, I must say.

I'd also say that with time I've become a disillusioned idealist. I just don't want to slip into cynicism.

I also find it easier to love humanity en masse than on an individual basis.

When I get to know people better I unfortunately find that self-regard, selfishness, and stupidity abound, along with a very low regard for the truth. Except for the people I truly love, I'm really happier in my own head most of the time.

I saw you were INFJ too! Nice.
And yeah, older, sadder but wiser etc etc.... ;)
Love humanity is a fine thing, but in some sense too abstract for me.
Maciamo it would be nice if it could be related to genetics, I guess the Introvert (for example) component has, besides an environment component, a genetic one too....
 
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