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  • 1.1 Eating meat is OK

    45 86.54%
  • 1.2 Eating meat is wrong

    7 13.46%
  • 2.1 Using products from live animals (e.g. dairy) is OK

    42 80.77%
  • 2.2 Using products from live animals (e.g. dairy) is wrong

    6 11.54%
  • 3.1 Testing on animals for medical purposes is OK

    35 67.31%
  • 3.2 Testing on animals for medical purposes is wrong

    11 21.15%
  • 4.1 Testing on animals for cosmetic purposes is OK

    9 17.31%
  • 4.2 Testing on animals for cosmetic purposes is wrong

    38 73.08%
  • 5.1 Using animals in circuses is OK

    21 40.38%
  • 5.2 Using animals in circuses is wrong

    24 46.15%
  • 6.1 Keeping animals in zoos is OK

    36 69.23%
  • 6.2 Keeping animals in zoos is wrong

    13 25.00%
  • 7.1 Hitting pets is OK

    13 25.00%
  • 7.2 Hitting pets is wrong

    29 55.77%
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Thread: Animal Rights

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    Correction above: The polar bear that turned green was not in a Phillipine zoo. It was in a Singapore zoo.

    Knowing that, I am glad to think that Philipinos don`t sometimes think that polar bears are supposed to turn green at times. However, people in Singapore may think so now.

    On a bright side, Singaporean zoo officials have learned something from all this: They now know they can reverse such a condition by washing the animal with a bleach solution of hydrogen-peroxide.

    Oh yes, the wonderful things we learn and are educated about animals from zoos.

    If you want to see the folly of the Singapore zoo experts keeping cold climate animals in a warm environment and the green result, look here: Education in Zoo Folly.


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    I should point out that not all zoos or animal sancturaies were set up for huiman entertainment. Some are just rescue centres that have opened their doors to the public to generate more income for these places to help rescue other animals or to care for the ones in need. There is a sanctary in Dorset that rescues apes from various places such as labs, illigal trade, pets that have gotten too big. Most of these apes could not be released back into the wild because they were parted from their parents at such an early age and do not have the skills that wild apes have and they would struggle and die if this was allowed. Which do you prefer? Animals to be kept safe from labs etc, in a safe and secure environment, or released back into the wild wre they would quickly die?
    Link to Monkey World in case you are interested

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    Sancutaries for rescued animals are not zoos. Some zoos try to get in on the 'rescue' image to help them with a legitimate/noble purpose, but in the end, zoos are venues of entertainment.

    What zoo is stocked with only rescued animals or animals that have not been traded/purchased amongst them and other zoos -- or ones that do not have animals which were captured from the wild, or offspring of animals that were captured in the wild? Are these injured animals which cannot be returned to the wild because of permanent injuries breeded so that a stock of them continues for future visitors?

    Do these zoos, set up as 'sanctuaries,' have an intensive infrastructure meant to cater to visitors and their comforts? Do they have animal shows to entertain the visitors?

    Some simple questions can soon let us know if they are actually zoos or sanctuaries.

    If animals such as those rescued from labs or roadside injuries cannot be released back into the wild, they should be allowed to live out their lives in a naturally managed environment at a sanctuary -- a place where the atmosphere is not one built to cater to visitors or a carnival like atmosphere with rides, sliced pizza, and enclosures where animals can`t completely disappear if they want.

    I know of Monkey World and have seen videos of the place. The atmosphere does not have a carnival like atmosphere and the primates from what I have read are all rescued animals from abusive or neglectful situations. Their environments are enriched to provide for the mental and physical needs. The management of the place is not actively in the market to swell its animal numbers for visitors, but accepts those that are in dire need of a home. They do not have the philosophy of trying to gather a bunch of different kinds of animals from all over the world for the curious.

    So many city zoos have anywhere between 20 to 40 acres. If they focused on one animal like Monkey World and create an environment of primordal adventure of looking at a natural environment, then they could offer a valuable service in the area of rescue such as Monkey World. I hope that Monkey World will become the norm and model for future zoos (moving away from the zoo concept and toward the sanctuary concept) as they struggle to stay profitable in the face of fewer and fewer visitors.

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    Just last week a precedent has been set in Japanese courts slightly distancing animals from just mere property status.

    Until recently all pets were considered just property and in past cases where, say a dog, was killed due to behaviour from someone else, it was prosecuted as denying rightful property to the owner and the value of the dog (i.e. that amount which it would take to buy a same kind/breed of dog) was rewarded to the plaintif/victim. Therefore, most awards were on average \30,000.

    However, last week a judge ruled in a case in which a mongrel dog left to roam freely in the neighborhood by its owner and which caused the death of a dachshound, found that the plaintiff was entitled to approx \650,000 (about $6,000) citing that the dog was viewed as part of the family of the 73 yr old lady and that her emotional damage at this "family member`s" loss was to be taken into account.

    The first ever decision like this in Japan. Always good to see animals in court which result in decisions not being based merely on blue book value of property.

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    When i wonder if i really can live in a touchy-feely world of lvoe and magic where everyone and everything gets along and nobody has to eat anybody else to you know, continue living, im reminded of the simple un-assailable reality of the nature of nature and the universe by this simple image.

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    That image sums up everything about nature in some simple image.

    "Life is pain, get over it."-A quote thats stayed with me a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nurizeko
    "Life is pain, get over it."-A quote thats stayed with me a while.
    "Life" need not be a constant state of "chronic pain". Pain rushes forward with peaks and ebbs with valleys. We have the ability to affect our lives and the environment in which we live our lives in a way that could lessen the height of the painful peaks and lengthen the breadth and widths of the unpainful valleys. To not try is to embrace futility.

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    Continuing on the theme that we do not have a right to impose on animals for our entertainment: zoos and aquariums often put animals in danger because the biologists that often supervise these exhibitions are ignorant. Why should an animal pay with its life because of human greed, entertainment, and downright ignorance? They shouldn`t. They should be granted the right to live a natural life and left alone as much as possible.

    But, here is the result of biologists' ignorance and corporate handiwork for profit. An amazing short two minute clip if you have the time:

    OCTOPUS EATS SHARK.

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    Often, zoos are said to be places of education -- a dismal reason for keeping them stocked with healthy animals that should be rehabilitated to the wild wherever possible. However, previously in this thread we have seen how they educate people on polar bears turning green with algae and that zoo officials learned to turn them white again by bleaching them. Yes, we learn a lot, don`t we?

    Oh, and we also learn that zoo officials don`t care too much about the animals in their charge -- or are too ignorant about the animals in their charge -- that they mix two entirely different species of animals from totally different geographic areas. The result? -- Parents and children get a screaming education of a Barbary coast macaque monkey (native to Morocco) being chased and eaten alive by a sloth bear (native to India).

    What a display, huh? Can you imagine it? If the screaming sound was anything like the pig my father castrated when I was a child -- it surely was horrifying.

    And how do the officials at the zoo in Amsterdam explain the incident? -- “Harmony disturbed.”!

    ..."In an area where Sloth bears, great apes and Barbary macaques have coexisted peacefully for a long time, the harmony was temporarily disturbed during opening hours on Sunday."

    I don`t know. When I think about “harmony disturbed” I imagine a baby crying on a transcontinental flight, or even a verbal scuffle or a perhaps even some pushing and shoving. An incident where a monkey is screaming as it is being EATEN ALIVE is more than “harmony disturbed.” I would say "harmony" has collapsed and in this case an 'unatural' killing has occurred.

    ...the bear climbed onto a horizontal pole, and, standing stretched on two legs, "used its sharp canines to pull the macaque, which was shrieking and resisting, from its perch."
    The bear then brought the animal to a concrete den, where three bears ate it.

    The pictures are not bloody. Just shows the bear grasping it in its jaws and a terrified look on its face. If you want to see several pics -- all of which are not bloody -- just the bear nibbling and pulling the screaming monkey as it is clutching the pole for its dear life -- you can look here for a set of pics on google: Bears Eat Monkey. Besides being on Yahoo, these pics and story made the CBS evening news a few weeks ago.

    Here is one and all are mostly like this one:




    But, in the end, I geuss a lot of little kids got an education on the dangers of zoos to their animals and biologists who just don`t have their act together.

    Full story here: Bears Eat Monkey in Front of Zoo Visitors

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    Yeah, I heard it on the radio. The weird thing is, It's a honeybear, and they use to eat fruits, and occasionally small mammals. So it was freaky.
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    1. Eating meat is perfectly acceptable, we are humans and have the big brains we have because our ancestors ate meat.
    2. Medical testing is acceptable as long as the animals are treated humanely.
    3. Test for cosmetic purposes is not acceptable, if someone wants to use cosmetics then they need to assume the dangers associated with it.
    4. Animals need to be treated with gentleness and respect, but if they need a swat to correct their behavior then they should get it. I have swatted my dog with a rolled up newspaper when they needed and slapped horses for unprovoked biting.
    5. Zoos and animal refuges are necessary to try and protect endangered species. Once they are gone they are gone.

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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Physical punishment is very natural, it's one of natural way to educate. Look at pack of wolfs or chimpanzees. They don't explain or spend time to repeat tricks, the members of a pack are bitten, smack around, and chased in anger etc. This shows how things are done in animal kingdom. So get over it.
    How can you explain to small kids not to hurt brothers or sisters, or not to do many stupid things. Some pain in buttocks can save their lives, or bring respect and orther.
    I'm assuming that pain is not done by psychopathic individuals that hurt others for their enjoyment.
    As long as physical punishment is used in proper way it is a vital tool in kids education.
    Not to make my post too long, I generally agree with Maciamos and Mycernius posts on this subject.

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    Animals surely deserve to live their lives free from suffering and exploitation.All animals have the ability to suffer in the same way and to the same degree that humans do. They feel pain, pleasure, fear, frustration, loneliness, and motherly love. We believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering.So we don't have the right to do this !!

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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Animals surely deserve to live their lives free from suffering and exploitation.All animals have the ability to suffer in the same way and to the same degree that humans do. They feel pain, pleasure, fear, frustration, loneliness, and motherly love. We believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering.So we don't have the right to do this !!

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    As my Step-Father used to tell me when I was little "for what we hunt, we should learn to respect and honor their place on this earth" a speech I shall never forget. When it comes to zoos, I feel like it's okay for the purpose of education and taking care of endangered species but these creatures are our cousins, you go back far enough, every single one of us is family.

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