Tokis-Pheonix said:
Hey SVF, if you were dying of cancer, would you accept animal tested cancer treatments to cure you if they were your only chance of getting rid of the desease?
Tokis-Pheonix, are you going to start playing personal hypothetical ?gif?h game questions? If so, are you going to give me the same courtesy of answering mine? I don`t mind a little ?gquid pro quo?h so long as we both agree to play.
First off, what if I answer ?gno?h to your question above? Does it change anything from your perspective? You wouldn`t be able to confirm anyway what I would or would not do in my personal life.
Now, what if I answer ?gyes?h? At worst, I am a hypocrite. But that still does not change the truth that to violate the integrity of a beings body or to cause them pain and suffering for one`s own benefit is wrong. My personal answer is independent of the message that it is wrong to cause suffering based on ?gmight makes right.?h
Here is my hypothetical question for you: Many, if not most German companies that have survived from WW2 up to the present had benefitted from slave labor forced upon the Jews of that era. So, is everyone a hypocrite who professes to be against slavery but purchases, or in some way has a dealing with German companies who benefited from slavery in the past?
Yes, they may be hypocrites, along with any animal rightist who takes an aspirin to soothe a headache -- but there is the concept of ?gfatali accompli?h which relieves people from the burdens of trying to be so idealistic that they need not try to change everything in the past that was wrong.
Sure, the contracts that the U.S. or colonial powers used to steal the American Indians?f lands were wrong and done under coercion or deceptive manners -- but the U.S. is not going to legislate itself out of existence, or the colonial powers are not going to empty their coffieurs to pay the compensation that is rightfully due. Why? Because of the concept of ?gfatali accompli.?h
But, back to the ?gif?h game:
If I had cancer and a cure or treatment for it could only be found by me pointing a finger at 100 monkeys in a breeding farm and command that they be tested on to create medicine for me -- I would not do so because I don`t think we personally have the right to make those decisions on other living beings.
Here is your ?gif?h question (quid pro quo): If 100 retarded children diagnosed to not live beyond age two could be experimented on for treatments to save 100,000 fully normal mind functioning cognitive children of 9 years old -- who if found a cure for their disease from these retarded children -- would live to a normal life span -- would you point the finger and say, ?gtake them to the experimental room?h?
Remember... just the two of us playing hypothetical ?gif?h games.
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*Btw, thanks this time for being patient for my answer in coming. You didn`t rush me this time. I purposely didn`t post for a while so that others could come into the discussion and give a chance for Q&A without break-ins from me. I could see that it was going to turn into a "You and I" discussion, of which I think is less valuable compared to having more participants.