Who are the Greatest warriors in history

[Melusine]

Google: wikipedia: Mongol Invasion of EUROPE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe

Does anyone "suppose" that they left ANY y-dna there? Or were they ALL celibate?

Yah right!! as a female I would say YES, there are many Europeans with their y-dna coursing though their veins as well as some folk, on this very forum.

Melusine

 

[Vallicanus]

No, they were overrun.

Guess who did that? :innocent:

Guys like us..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXwftXiWIN0&feature=related

Here you have it literally!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GowMI4wvmU4&feature=related


AI! We're one Celtic family!

Stick to chronology.

The Romans conquered Cantabrians and Lusitanians FIN.

The East Romans destroyed the Germanic Ostrogoths and Vandals. The crude and backward Lombard invaders of Italy would have suffered the same fate but Byzantium faced Slav, Persian and Muslim Arab attacks.

Celtic culture was squeezed out by Romance speech and culture (and Germanic culture in most of Britain) except in a few small, dirt-poor corners of western Europe.

 

[Reinaert]

Haha.. Just posted what I meant.. The Mongols were the most efficient warriors ever in history. Only crybabies deny that. Why?
I don't know. History is an intellectual effort to get the truth out of the propaganda of yesterday. And there seem to be many creeps that still believe in the propaganda they heard.
Very silly.

There is little Roman lack of culture left in Europe.

Only the British and the Americans live with the idea of an ideal fascist system like the Romans and Spartans had.

 

[Regulus]

And you are a Celt? Your personality is as Celtic as mine is that of a Marxist.

 

[Vallicanus]

Haha.. Just posted what I meant.. The Mongols were the most efficient warriors ever in history. Only crybabies deny that. Why?
I don't know. History is an intellectual effort to get the truth out of the propaganda of yesterday. And there seem to be many creeps that still believe in the propaganda they heard.
Very silly.

There is little Roman lack of culture left in Europe.

Only the British and the Americans live with the idea of an ideal fascist system like the Romans and Spartans had.

Where is Mongol power now?
The Mongols were defeated by the Mamelukes in Egypt so they were not that invincible.

BTW you are Germanic not Celtic.:useless:

 

[barbarian]

how can someone evaluate if european knights, roman gladiators, Musketeers (funniest one) are greatest or not? what are the criterias? there is very little legendary info about them in the history.

if we accept them as a group, then we must also accept american cowboys or even RAMBO:grin:

Note: it is sad that nobody even mentions Ottomans, since they ruled in three continents for several centuries.

 

[Mzungu mchagga]

how can someone evaluate if european knights, roman gladiators, Musketeers (funniest one) are greatest or not? what are the criterias? there is very little legendary info about them in the history.

if we accept them as a group, then we must also accept american cowboys or even RAMBO:grin:

Note: it is sad that nobody even mentions Ottomans, since they ruled in three continents for several centuries.

Janissaries? They were Ottomans!

Anyways you're right this poll doesn't make much sense! My funniest is roman gladiators; the name already suggests they are not warriors.

 

[sparkey]

And you are a Celt? Your personality is as Celtic as mine is that of a Marxist.

That's an odd way to equate things. What is a Celtic "personality" like? And a Marxist "personality?" Different people within a culture have different personalities and different people within a political stripe have different personalities, no?

I think that, even if Reinaert was raised in a Germanic (Dutch) culture, it is within his right to identify as Celtic, although doing so implies a certain amount of cultural practice. Even if his deep paternal ancestors were Celtic, we are not our ancestors... otherwise, call me a Cro-Magnon. But if he persists some sort of, say, Gaulish beliefs and practices, he can be Celtic while still being Dutch.

 

[Regulus]

That's an odd way to equate things. What is a Celtic "personality" like? And a Marxist "personality?" Different people within a culture have different personalities and different people within a political stripe have different personalities, no?

I think that, even if Reinaert was raised in a Germanic (Dutch) culture, it is within his right to identify as Celtic, although doing so implies a certain amount of cultural practice. Even if his deep paternal ancestors were Celtic, we are not our ancestors... otherwise, call me a Cro-Magnon. But if he persists some sort of, say, Gaulish beliefs and practices, he can be Celtic while still being Dutch.

Actually, it is the opposite of odd. The manners, emotional styles, and practices attributed to Celts are fairly well known to all. Both of these would contribute to at least a general personality type. It is more than obvious that we are not discussing individual personality traits, but those of a collective or cultural type. So what I wrote applies.
Now, if you had followed even some of the posts where one individual has made repeated claims to identify himself as of being a Celt, Celtic-type, what have you, but repeatedly goes around advocating some sort of communal, semi-socialist-type world, you wouldn't have questioned the statement that I made. The Celtic economical world, if there was any, is completely on the opposite side of anything resembling a communal thing.
It clearly was made up of an aristocratic class, a class of workers, etc.

You clearly jumped in on this topic without thinking about what may have brought the post(s) to the point where you decided to jump in. Also, rightly or wrongly, I think that I have identified myself as being of a personality type that would be strongly opposed to that of someone who would be inclined to Marxism. So again what I wrote applies.

 

[Reinaert]

Stick to chronology.

Celtic culture was squeezed out by Romance speech and culture (and Germanic culture in most of Britain) except in a few small, dirt-poor corners of western Europe.

And these words from a Scotsman?
I guess you're a bloody Sassenach! :annoyed:

The Celts didn't disappear on the continent of Europe. They adapted to changing situations. A form of using brains. Many of them have sailed to Southern England, Ireland and Scotland.
And many still live in the Southern part of The Netherlands and Belgium.

Typical for Celtic culture was a more social society.
I have seen that in Scotland too, but you don't seem to be like that.

And BTW, the question was who was the greatest warrior in history.
That wasn't about the outcome of his deeds.
Great warriors seldom establish an empire that lasts very long.
Great Empires have a tendency to collapse after a while.

Have a good day.

 

[Vallicanus]

As a Dutchman, your background is Germanic not Celtic.

I suggest you learn some history.

The Mongol, Roman and British Empires lasted long enough.

 

[sparkey]

The manners, emotional styles, and practices attributed to Celts are fairly well known to all. Both of these would contribute to at least a general personality type.

Obviously. But just as obviously, the scope of possible individual personalities within a given culture is larger than that. You can't say, "You're not a TRUE Celt because you have personality traits X, Y, and Z."

Now, if you had followed even some of the posts where one individual has made repeated claims to identify himself as of being a Celt, Celtic-type, what have you, but repeatedly goes around advocating some sort of communal, semi-socialist-type world, you wouldn't have questioned the statement that I made. The Celtic economical world, if there was any, is completely on the opposite side of anything resembling a communal thing.
It clearly was made up of an aristocratic class, a class of workers, etc.

What the...? Plaid Cymru is very socialist and very Celtic. So, these are not incompatible. I suppose you could argue that Reinaert's Celtic identity tries to relate himself to the Gauls, who do not share the socialist-leaning history of the Welsh... but why can't a Gaulish revivalist be a socialist? You don't have to endorse an ancient political system to identify with a culture.

You clearly jumped in on this topic without thinking about what may have brought the post(s) to the point where you decided to jump in.

Sorry if it seems like I'm jumping in without context. I am familiar with Reinaert's posts.

Also, rightly or wrongly, I think that I have identified myself as being of a personality type that would be strongly opposed to that of someone who would be inclined to Marxism. So again what I wrote applies.

Yes, personality types influence political types, and yes, culture influences both. But a culture does not exclude a personality type or a political type, that is my point, and that is why your statement is still odd.

 

[Regulus]

Obviously. But just as obviously, the scope of possible individual personalities within a given culture is larger than that. You can't say, "You're not a TRUE Celt because you have personality traits X, Y, and Z."


What the...? Plaid Cymru is very socialist and very Celtic. So, these are not incompatible. I suppose you could argue that Reinaert's Celtic identity tries to relate himself to the Gauls, who do not share the socialist-leaning history of the Welsh... but why can't a Gaulish revivalist be a socialist? You don't have to endorse an ancient political system to identify with a culture.


Sorry if it seems like I'm jumping in without context. I am familiar with Reinaert's posts.


Yes, personality types influence political types, and yes, culture influences both. But a culture does not exclude a personality type or a political type, that is my point, and that is why your statement is still odd.

Dude, you are digging WAY TOO FAR into this. My statements figure in perfectly well and make more than enough sense. Your attempts to dissect ad hoc statements not only serve no real purpose but only serve to send us into a tailspin.

 

[sparkey]

Dude, you are digging WAY TOO FAR into this. My statements figure in perfectly well and make more than enough sense. Your attempts to dissect ad hoc statements not only serve no real purpose but only serve to send us into a tailspin.

Alright, I'll drop it. Just trying to explain why I find it odd to challenge people's ethnic identities based on their personalities.

 

[barbarian]

Janissaries? They were Ottomans!

Anyways you're right this poll doesn't make much sense! My funniest is roman gladiators; the name already suggests they are not warriors.

oops sorry, i didnt know that word.

 

[Regulus]

Janissaries? They were Ottomans!

Anyways you're right this poll doesn't make much sense! My funniest is roman gladiators; the name already suggests they are not warriors.

They did indeed form a crucial part of the Ottoman army, but Janissaries were comprised of slave-soldiers taken from conquered nations (I believe mostly Christian) as youths.
They were brought up as Muslims and were known as ferocious warriors.
I think that the Turkish word for 'new soldier' was something like 'yani cheri'. It was similar to that of the earlier Mamelukes.
Supporters of the idea would hold that they were otherwise well-treated and given opportunities of advancement.
Those who oppose the idea would equate it with a type of 'Stockholm Syndrome' where hostages begin to identify with those who control them.

 

[Regulus]

Only the British and the Americans live with the idea of an ideal fascist system like the Romans and Spartans had.

Well done and another touche'.

You nailed my screen name and avatar in one shot and I didn't even catch it at first.

At least we are not yelling at each other all of the time any more.

 

[Reinaert]

As a Dutchman, your background is Germanic not Celtic.

I suggest you learn some history.

Haha.. You should.

I had a YDNA test you know.
And the conclusion is that a large part of the population in my area are direct relatives of the Belgae, Irish and Scottish population.
And they are Celtic. Not Germanic.

 

[barbarian]

They did indeed form a crucial part of the Ottoman army, but Janissaries were comprised of slave-soldiers taken from conquered nations (I believe mostly Christian) as youths.
They were brought up as Muslims and were known as ferocious warriors.
I think that the Turkish word for 'new soldier' was something like 'yani cheri'. It was similar to that of the earlier Mamelukes.
Supporters of the idea would hold that they were otherwise well-treated and given opportunities of advancement.
Those who oppose the idea would equate it with a type of 'Stockholm Syndrome' where hostages begin to identify with those who control them.

most of the governers were raised in the similar way.

 

[Vallicanus]

Haha.. You should.

I had a YDNA test you know.
And the conclusion is that a large part of the population in my area are direct relatives of the Belgae, Irish and Scottish population.
And they are Celtic. Not Germanic.

The Dutch are culturally and linguistically Germanic.


The Lowland Scots are partly Anglo-Saxon (Germanic) while the Highland Scots are partly Norse (Germanic).

YDNA is only one ancestral line among many.
Only genome-wide studies give you a complete genetic picture.