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  • Japanese Samurai

    11 13.58%
  • European Knights

    8 9.88%
  • Mongols

    11 13.58%
  • Huns

    2 2.47%
  • Janissaries

    2 2.47%
  • Roman Gladiators

    7 8.64%
  • Scottish Highlanders

    3 3.70%
  • Vikings

    6 7.41%
  • Musketeers

    0 0%
  • other group of warriors

    31 38.27%
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    regulus i'm not asking people to agree with my opinions about aztecs and incas, of course. you know opinions are like ******* everyone got one.

    but yes, i do expect people to agree that pre-columbine civilizations should have been included in this poll which is too much eurocentrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canek View Post
    aztecs and incas were only defeated by a more developed civilization, that doesn't make them a worse warriors than the europeans. they should have been included in this eurocentrist poll.
    Well it is not exactly a eurocentrist poll, have another look. But it IS a European forum, you really couldn't expect otherwise.

    However any civilisation and their warriors can only be judged within the context of their own, and within the context of their own time. I don't understand how any can be compared successfully with warriors of another continent that is entirely different in almost every way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regulus View Post
    I had noted the same earlier on, but I would use Hoplites in general.

    Spartans were probably the best as far as states go, but other Greek states also had some excellent heavy infantry.
    Yes I agree, but ... somehow maybe it's better to say just Spartans because they were what they were :)

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    Spartans are the Greatest Warriors the World has known definitively. The life of a Spartan male was a life of discipline, self-denial, and simplicity. The Spartans viewed themselves as the true inheritors of the Greek tradition. They did not surround themselves with luxuries, expensive foods, or opportunities for leisure. And this, I think, is the key to understanding the Spartans. While the Athenians and many others thought the Spartans were insane, the life of the Spartans seemed to hark back to a more basic way of life. Discipline, simplicity, and self-denial always remained ideals in the Greek and Roman worlds; civilization was often seen as bringing disorder, ennervation, weakness, and a decline in moral values. The Spartan, however, could point to Spartan society and argue that moral values and human courage and strength was as great as it was before civilization. Spartan society, then, exercised a profound pull on the surrounding city-states who admired the simplicity, discipline, and order of Spartan life.
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    You can't compare an ancient civilization, like the Assyrians who were the best warriors of their time. And the Mongols, who came 1500 years later.

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    I voted for the others category:

    Spartans were great, but also pre-Christian Romans were very furious warriors. Extremely hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    I voted for the others category:

    Spartans were great, but also pre-Christian Romans were very furious warriors. Extremely hard.
    Vikings - from greenland to the black sea , conquered a lot, left nothing

    Prussians under frederick the great, beating 4 great super powers at the same time, and winning

    Confederates - lack of manpower cost them the war

    Romans - won on discipline

    Spartans, excellent on a small scale
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    The group I am chossing may not be the number 1 greates but they should be in the top 5 and I can see on this forum and pol they have been greatly undermised and forgotten.The tribes of North-Western Europe were extremely talented and fierce warriors.This ios my best argument plainly-the Germanic and Celtic peoples were constanyl at war with Rome-the greatest Empire of all of European history.Now even though these tribes didnt have the organization the Romans did they stil managed to defeat the Romans in MANY well known battles.The Teutoberg forest is just one example.They won thatbattle simply becuase of their fighting skills.The Romans were excellant fighter in OPEN battle and thier formations but in the Forest with more enclosed fighting and more personal skils needed they were wiped out by the tribes of northwest Europe.This has happend in Scotland in Britian in Germania and numerous examples show it in history.Plus from time to time these tribes acutallly did win victories against the Romans in open battle too.So they had the skills to defeat the most powerful Empire on Earth both on the Romans terms and thier own.They only lacked the organization and unity of the empires of the nation-states of the south.These tribes Germanic and Celtic were infamous for petty quarrels among themselves and a total lack of unity.Even the few times they were unted such as with Arminius or Vercingetorix or even Boudicca this unity didnt last long at all.They had the personal fighting skills and even thier own formations like the shield wall or the Boar's head triangles but they didnt have any real cohesive unity and organization-everman wanted to be the top dog and no one wanted to take orders basically.Plus petty tribal differances from the Ancient past never really changed.They had the skills to defeat the Romans in a one on one fight warrior against warrior-and also occasionally in open battle formation too so if they already had the true skills could easily defeat the Romans just from that if they HAVE HAD the right unity and organiztion such as the Romans did then the Celtic and Germanic tribes would have gone much much further and could have easily defeated the Romans-the greates empire there was at the time.They already could defeat them even though they didnt have the organiztion-so if they DID have the same organiztion as the Romans then without a doubt they could have deafeated the Romans much much more longtermPlus the fal of the Roman empire is simply becuase many barbarian tribes attacked Rome at the same time.Mongals in the east Slavs-Germanic tribes from the north etc.....The Romans were too busy fighting everyone else the tribes from the north invaded rome and there was no one there to defend it.Basically the Barbarian tribes of all of Europe outsmarted the Romans......and brought the Empire to its knees.Proof-that if there was actual unity and organization and cooperation among the Barbarian tribes of Europe then they could easily deafeat the great city-states of southern europe and even bring down the greatest military power on earth at the time

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    Plus-when the Germanic nations actually adopted some of the Roman ways-they ended up creating the single most greates and powerful cultural and military machine in ALL of Europe-The middle ages of Europe,the Crusades the Knights of Europe Feudalism etc...the new germanic power houses England France German states Prussia and muchmuch more all became the most influential and most powerful nations of the middle ages-they are all basically Germanic nations who took many influences fom the Romans and used it in thier own way.The Normans,Franks,Saxons,Lombards,and alll the rest-the entire culture we know today as medieval Europe was based on somewhat Romanized-Germanic cultures and peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moffeltoff View Post
    Yes but THE Musketeers never existed =)
    d'Artagnan was a real person. They were known as Musketeers because they used muskets, as cavalry they also used swords

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    Quote Originally Posted by weissmacht View Post
    The Teutoberg forest is just one example.They won thatbattle simply becuase of their fighting skills.The Romans were excellant fighter in OPEN battle and thier formations but in the Forest with more enclosed fighting and more personal skils needed they were wiped out by the tribes of northwest Europe.
    Please. No it wasn't, it was simply treachery on part of Arminius. The Romans were not marching in a disciplined formation, marching w/o wearing armor, unprepared for any attack simply because Arminius was supposed to be a Roman ally but was in reality a treacherous enemy. The battle was simply a German ambush/massacre of unsuspecting, unready to fight Roman soldiers.
    Today’s equivalent would be if a few battalions of German Leopard 2s rolled up to Wiesbaden Airfield and started blasting away at US troops.

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    My choice would have been the group which contained steppe nomads. In other words other group of warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRIZMATIC View Post
    Without personal opinion:
    There are two definitions of soldiers:
    - His relation to death...
    - And for what he it makes...
    Also there is " an art of fight "...
    From this also is defined - what it is the soldier...
    Also there is a culture of education of soldiers... And culture of their behaviour...

    going by your definitions, the Samurai are up there with the greatest, IMO

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    Hard to say if there is really any single greatest group of warriors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Out of all of them, the mongols and the romans achieved a lot, so i say the mongols.
    Jack, I agree with you. The Mongols conquered most of Europe, all of China, parts of South East Asia as far as Java. They were fierce "Winter War" specialists, expert bowman, horsemen and tacticians. That they were united gave them a great advantage over the "city states" of Europe. Under the rule of Ogedei Khan, they gained a lot from the Chinese culture, and, had successive rulers from the time of Kublai maintained Genghis Khans vision, the, in my opinion, could have ruled all of the known world.

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    The battle exploits of the Mongols are quite impressive, but what really impresses me is how this supposedly primitive group of steppe nomads created a well organized empire, with the rule of law, religious tolerance, a well developed road system and postal system, a currency system, etc. Of course, they also wiped out whole populations in order to create their empire, but the fact that they had the technology to do it (including large siege engines) is impressive. And of course most pastoralists seem to have a genius for organized military warfare that's probably related to their herding skills. But what makes the Mongols much more impressive than any other pastoral group that created a large empire is not just that they operated on such a large scale, but that they quickly developed the machinery necessary to hold an empire together. It doesn't matter to me who they stole their knowledge from (presumably mostly from the Chinese), what impresses me is that they knew what they had to do to keep what they conquered. Of course, in the end, tribalism is probably the most important of the things that defeated them, but the results of their empire had lasting affects, just like the result of Alexander's much more temporary creation.

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    Serbs are the greatest warriors in history.

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    As individual warriors, tactics, techniques, born and groomed mentally for battle.
    The Samurai just are in their own class, the total commitment to being a perfect and willing to die at any time.

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    I have seen that God caused the sun of empire to shine in the mansion of the Turks, and turned the heavenly spheres around their dominion, and named them Turk, and gave them sovereignty, and made them kings of the age, and placed the reins of the people of the time in their hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icebreaker View Post
    I have seen that God caused the sun of empire to shine in the mansion of the Turks, and turned the heavenly spheres around their dominion, and named them Turk, and gave them sovereignty, and made them kings of the age, and placed the reins of the people of the time in their hands.
    It's good that you can consider the question objectively, Icebreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberdeen View Post
    It's good that you can consider the question objectively, Icebreaker.
    Analytical and objective is not a big thing in those parts, oratory, yelling and hand gestures makes you right.

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    It holds no value to win with superior numbers or weapons. A great warrior is one that wins against the material odds. So choosing great warriors becomes battle specific. Some of the greatest that I know of are: Greek Coalition in "Greece vs Persia", Hannibal Army in "Carthage vs Rome", Skanderbeg Army in "Albanians vs Ottoman Empire", Napoleon in any of his battles except Russia, German Coalition in "Germans vs Huns", Polish Winged Hussars in "Austria vs Ottoman Empire".

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    Relax guys. It's just a quote from Mahmud Al-Kasghari (11th century scholar).

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    I believe that Greeks should have been in the poll as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echetlaeus View Post
    I believe that Greeks should have been in the poll as well.
    Depends which ones. I don't know that much about ancient history, but i think Alexander the Great's armies and the Spartens should defintley be on the poll.

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