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  • I eat meat all the time! Almost every day or two!

    19 63.33%
  • I eat meat a lot, probably at least once or twice a week.

    3 10.00%
  • I eat meat occasionally, maybe once every 2 weeks or more.

    3 10.00%
  • I eat meat rarely (i.e. once a month or less)

    2 6.67%
  • I hardly ever eat meat (only a couple of times a year or less)

    0 0%
  • I donft eat meat at all.

    2 6.67%
  • I am a flexitarian/semi-vegetarian.

    0 0%
  • I am a pescatarian.

    1 3.33%
  • I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian.

    1 3.33%
  • I am a lacto vegetarian.

    0 0%
  • I am a vegan.

    1 3.33%
  • I am a fruitarian.

    0 0%
  • I follow/have a macrobiotic diet.

    0 0%
  • I follow/have a Raw or Living Food Diet.

    0 0%
  • I am trying to change/improve my diet currently.

    8 26.67%
  • I am satisfied/happy with my diet currently.

    12 40.00%
  • I chose my way of diet due to health/personal reasons.

    10 33.33%
  • I chose my way of diet due to reasons concerning morality.

    6 20.00%
  • I chose my way of diet due to religious reasons.

    0 0%
  • Otherc

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Thread: Do you eat meat or follow any codes/ways of diet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiku
    Also, I really think the whole vegitarian/vegan thing is a bit stupid.
    lol. I guess the Dalai Lama and A. Einstein are/were stupid, too, then. I prefer their company and opinion on the matter.
    "Vegitarian" means you only eat plants--but for some reason a large number of hippie-minded humans decided to try it and couldn't commit, so now we call true vegitarians "vegans" and those that still consume dairy products are "vegitarians"?
    The hippie subculture is virtually gone. I can`t remember the last time I have seen a psychodelic mini van driving around with long haired guitar playing people. The term now is used pajoratively and without any accuracy. Get with the times and your arguments, too, will benefit!

    But perhaps people do consider the Dalai Lama and Einstein hippies. After all, the former seems to not have a real job, and the latter did have kind of long freaky hair.
    lol. <snicker>
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    Quote Originally Posted by strongvoicesforward
    lol. I guess the Dalai Lama and A. Einstein are/were stupid, too, then. I prefer their company and opinion on the matter.
    The statement above is in response to a totally unfair misquoting of Reiku. Going back to Reiku's post, that can be clearly seen. Reiku was not calling vegetarians stupid - he was referring to the terminology. Sorry to speak for you Reiku, but I wanted to point that out straightaway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reiku
    Also, I really think the whole vegitarian/vegan thing is a bit stupid. "Vegitarian" means you only eat plants--but for some reason a large number of hippie-minded humans decided to try it and couldn't commit, so now we call true vegitarians "vegans" and those that still consume dairy products are "vegitarians"?
    I agree Reiku, logically speaking a vegetarian is someone who only eats plants. But if you look at the etymology of the word 'vegetarian' it has always included dairy products. So, it didn't happen in the way you describe. The term 'vegetarian' dates from at least 1839, and as can be seen from the history of The Vegetarian Society, it originally meant 'abstinence from eating flesh'. Originally, vegans were called 'non-dairy vegetarians'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strongvoicesforward
    Originally Posted by strongvoicesforward:
    lol. I guess the Dalai Lama and A. Einstein are/were stupid, too, then. I prefer their company and opinion on the matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuyoiko
    The statement above is in response to a totally unfair misquoting of Reiku.
    I disagree.

    He clearly said "the wholevegetarian/vegan thing is stupid." I am going by what I am reading, and if he meant what you think he means then I think a clearer way to have written it would not have been in the all inclusive manner in which he unmistakably wrote it in. If the meaning for what you think it is was meant, how hard would it have been to write, "I think the use of the words vegetarian/vegan is stupid." That is clearly qualified and exclusive in scope. Now, if that is what he meant, then I will accept that. But, I am not clairvoyant and I am not into guessing at what people really mean when the qualify things with extreme and exclusive terminology (i.e. "the whole").

    Quote Originally Posted by Reiku
    Also, I really think the whole vegitarian/vegan thing is a bit stupid. "Vegitarian" means you only eat plants--but for some reason a large number of hippie-minded humans decided to try it and couldn't commit, so now we call true vegitarians "vegans" and those that still consume dairy products are "vegitarians"?
    He further clouds the meaning (innacurate may I add) by referring to a cultural subgroup (i.e. the hippie) as being responsible for the confusion in terminology. You may want to resurrect his passage, Tsuyoiko by explaining it, but it is a passage made with error and lack of clarity. Maybe Reiku himself would like to say, "Vegetarians/Vegans, and the practice of these dietary habits are not stupid." I would welcome that statement from him for the clarity that it is and that would go to mitigate his extremen and absolutist statement above.

    Going back to Reiku's post, that can be clearly seen. Reiku was not calling vegetarians stupid - he was referring to the terminology.
    I disagree. But, I am sure some others may pile on with you.

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    I guess we have to wait to hear from Reiku - but I think it would have been fairer to quote his statement in full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuyoiko
    I guess we have to wait to hear from Reiku - but I think it would have been fairer to quote his statement in full.
    Even in its full form it is still unclear. In fact, his following sentences after the first one in that paragraph does nothing to take away from his absolutist statement on the matter because his error in referring to hippies is in itself wrong -- for hippies were not responsible (or I have never seen any studies saying they were) for the mix up in terminology of vegetarianism and veganism.

    I don`t mind if he comes back and makes a revision. Fine. But what I said regarding that sentence and para of his was in no way unfair.

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    No arguing, man. Let's just go hug a tree and, like, be cool man. Just remember the mantra
    "We sow the seed. Nature grows the seed and we eat the seed, but then. This is the cool bit. We sow the seed. NATURE grows the seed and the WE eat the seed" (With apologies to Nigel Planer)

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    I eat what's put on the table, and usually that includes some sort of chicken, pork, or fish. The red meat and chicken I could do without, but I don't like the idea of giving up my pacific saury, salmon, and mackeral.

    I thought the Dalai Lama preferred vegetarian, but understanding that meat was easier to put on the table than vegatarian food in Dharmasala, he would eat whatever meat was put before him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant
    I thought the Dalai Lama preferred vegetarian, but understanding that meat was easier to put on the table than vegatarian food in Dharmasala, he would eat whatever meat was put before him.
    Hi Revenant,

    As for the Dalai Lama on him being a vegetarian, look at a few of his quotes HERE.

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    At that time (1960s) he attempted to become vegetarian, but after contracting Hepititas, he was ordered by his doctors to eat meat again. There is something else mentioned of Tibet not being conducive to growing vegetables that he cited (I read that somewhere), but that the Tibetan practice is much like the Native American practice, and they take no more than what they need. Apparently he became vegetarian once again at the age of seventy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant
    Apparently he became vegetarian once again at the age of seventy.
    Yes, and that is what he IS now, and he clearly relates that animal suffering is a part of that decision -- if not the main reason for doing so. Sometimes it may take years to become solid and strong on choices we know that are right. He is a human like all of us. Dithering and back sliding for various reasons affects us all.

    The current and most latest decisions that we make and live by are what define us for our beliefs as to what we believe -- not past ones in the face of current ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuyoiko
    The statement above is in response to a totally unfair misquoting of Reiku. Going back to Reiku's post, that can be clearly seen. Reiku was not calling vegetarians stupid - he was referring to the terminology. Sorry to speak for you Reiku, but I wanted to point that out straightaway.I agree Reiku, logically speaking a vegetarian is someone who only eats plants. But if you look at the etymology of the word 'vegetarian' it has always included dairy products. So, it didn't happen in the way you describe. The term 'vegetarian' dates from at least 1839, and as can be seen from the history of The Vegetarian Society, it originally meant 'abstinence from eating flesh'. Originally, vegans were called 'non-dairy vegetarians'.
    Actually, I was refering to the use of the word "vegitarian" as it is used to describe the diets of various animal species, as I'm fairly certain this use came first.

    The term "vegitarian" refers to a diet consisting only of plants--for example, cows have a vegitarian diet. At various points in history, omnivorus humans have decided to stop eating meat, and mistakenly refered to themselves as "vegitarians." This misuse of the word spread and eventually became a part of the lexicon.

    I've found that many of the multiple--and often confusingly contradictory--definitions for words came about in this way: by a misuse of the word by those who didn't properly understand it's meaning becoming an acepted definition through common (mis) use.

    As for the other things: I didn't feel like taking the time to "lawyerize" my post to prevent it's meaning and intent from being twisted in the way SVF chose to do--and I don't fel like taking the time now to dignify his (non) accusations. Despite my opinion of his beleifs, I doubt he is stupid enough to actually be confused by my previous post--he's just making things up to attack since he can't attack my actual statement.
    Baka ningen.

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    LOL @ last paragraph above!

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    The poll was a little different for me because I eat meat 3- days a week. Daily is not possible right now(no time.) Since I stay in India with my parents, I got to eat vegetarian food in the house. Cooking meat is forbidden but I can bring it from outside(sounds weird but that that's my father's logic.) While I was in the US, I used to cook and eat pretty much everything that americans eat. Beef, pork, seafood, poultry etc. Finding beef, pork and turkey(subway subs) is kinda difficult in india. So gotta stick with poultry and fish.

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    Luckily, at 51, I have perfect health and since I started taking alot of vitimin suppliments about 13 years ago I have not been sick a single day. Not so much as a cold. This from a person who would get sick on a yearly basis years back.

    I severely cut out all sugar and do not drink any kind of sugered soft drinks or diet soft drinks as I believe they truly are poison to the body. I also do not drink any dairy products, but I do have a weakness for cheese. I just take extra fiber when I eat cheese. I believe that if you keep the immune system healthy with suppliments, try to eat healthy, (as you cannot get any minerals and vitimins from processed foods these days) you will stay healthy in both mind and body.

    My diet consists of mostly fish, poultry and vegetables, occasional meat and junk food, always with suppliments including fiber.

    This does not mean that I live a bland lifestyle. I still smoke and drink alcohol, and eat the occasional pizza, cheese, junk food and meat. Just a few months ago I went for an MRI of the heart to determine if I had any clogged arteries or plaque build-up. My test was returned with zero plaque of the heart and it was stated that I had the heart of a 30 year old! Also, blood tests confirmed that my cholestoral was normal. I'd like to think it was because of the suppliments, but I do not believe in coincidences. So I will continue with my present diet and lifestyle for the time being.
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    Well done Pachipro on your diet - you must have a lot of self discipline to cut out all sugar, or at least thats the one i would find the most difficult personally. Which one did you find the most difficult to cut out of your diet?

    ps: this thread is not about discussions of animal rights, politics, religeons or whatever etc (i know i'm no innocent in this sense, but i figured there are thousands of other threads about this kind of stuff, so if you feel the need to go off-topic or be sarcastic or whatever please do it on your own thread or wherever the thread owner doesn't mind ;) ).
    Diets are very personal things and i don't think anyone here wants to feel their personal choices trodden on by a herd of activists or religeous preachers etc...This thread is not intended to be an opinion-bashing session.

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    if im hungry and there is meat to eat... well guess what i eat meat. thats my rule
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokis_Phoenix
    ...you must have a lot of self discipline to cut out all sugar, or at least thats the one i would find the most difficult personally. Which one did you find the most difficult to cut out of your diet?
    Most of the things I have cut out oir severely limited were difficult. I think ice creme was the most difficult.

    It wasn't easy at first as I was a drinker of all kinds of soft drinks and ate candy and ice creme on a regular basis. Then I found out how bad and toxic to the body sugar (as well as milk) is and how addicting it is not mentally, but physically. The body begins to crave it much like heroin.

    It is said that just 100mg of processed sugar severly impedes the immune system of the human body for a couple of hours in order for it to fight off the sugar. This leaves you open to other influences like colds and the flu, among other diseases. With all the sugar in soft drinks and candy the immune system is overwhelmed almost constantly if you consume them on a regular basis.

    Once I found this out, and confirmed it with other sources, it was easy to give it up. I craved it for a while and slowly weaned myself off it. I just looked it as poison. This doesn't mean I do not drink the occassional Dr Pepper or eat chocolate once in a while, but it's no where near what I used to eat and drink. Now they are using High Fructose Corn Syrup in many drinks and, being cheaper than sugar, is just as bad.

    Diet drinks are no better in that they use aspertame in most of them and that is more toxic to the body than sugar. Just do an internet search and you'll be amazed at what you find.

    Diabetes and obesity is a severe problem here in the US especially among young children and there is now a "new" condition known as "pre-diabetes" (what a joke). The medical industry and the pharmaceuticals are making billions from diabetes when all parents have to do is severely cut out the sugar in their diets.

    The medical profession as well as the FDA and others know how toxic sugar and aspertame is, but it is a worldwide multi-billion dollar industry, so they keep quiet. But the info is out there if you look for it.

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    Can you detail out the vitamin supplements that you are taking? I stopped taking milk about 4 years back but I do eat milk products(curd, cheese, cottage cheese, etc.) I drink soft drinks once in 6 months or so. The use of high fructose corn syrup is not a minor cause of obesity and insulin intolerance in the US.
    Is your diet a continuation of what you used to eat in japan before you left for the US?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pachipro
    Luckily, at 51, I have perfect health and since I started taking alot of vitimin suppliments about 13 years ago I have not been sick a single day. Not so much as a cold. This from a person who would get sick on a yearly basis years back.
    I severely cut out all sugar and do not drink any kind of sugered soft drinks or diet soft drinks as I believe they truly are poison to the body. I also do not drink any dairy products, but I do have a weakness for cheese. I just take extra fiber when I eat cheese. I believe that if you keep the immune system healthy with suppliments, try to eat healthy, (as you cannot get any minerals and vitimins from processed foods these days) you will stay healthy in both mind and body.
    My diet consists of mostly fish, poultry and vegetables, occasional meat and junk food, always with suppliments including fiber.
    This does not mean that I live a bland lifestyle. I still smoke and drink alcohol, and eat the occasional pizza, cheese, junk food and meat. Just a few months ago I went for an MRI of the heart to determine if I had any clogged arteries or plaque build-up. My test was returned with zero plaque of the heart and it was stated that I had the heart of a 30 year old! Also, blood tests confirmed that my cholestoral was normal. I'd like to think it was because of the suppliments, but I do not believe in coincidences. So I will continue with my present diet and lifestyle for the time being.

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    Educational tip:
    Pre-Diabetes, or insulin resistance is a very very common affliction that hits most overweight, middle aged Americans (like me) who drank too much pepsi, ate too much chocolate and trained our body to ignore insulin with fast food. The range for Pre-Diabetes is a fasting blood sugar of 100-125 mg/dl or an A1C of between 7 and 8%. Anything above those numbers is Type II diabetes.

    Everyone 40 or older or 20% overweight or more should have a blood test for fasting blood sugar and A1c. A1c measures the percentage of hemoglobin that has glucose attached to it. The higher the percentage, the higher your average blood sugar over a three month period (the average life of a red blood cell).

    Since cutting down my sugar almost four months ago, I have lost 30 pounds and my blood sugar and blood pressure are under control. I also visited a dietician and nurse every week for a month to come up with my "eating plan." Which I try to stick to. Although I had cut out fat and salt a long time ago, the portion sizes of what I was eating was way too large and sugar or corn syrup was in much of what I was eating.

    I would still recommend that you stop smoking though... your diet is pretty worthless if you die of cancer or emphasema.

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    I need to lose some weight - about 10 pounds to a stone. Considering that I am vegetarian and absolutely useless at self denial, does anyone have any tips?

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    i guess i'm rather 'old-school' when it comes to my diet...
    i'm trying to stick to things we've learned in school, like

    the biggest problem with my diet is surely coffee. i drink about 3-4 cups every day, especially in the morning. otherwise, i wouldn't be able to get out of bed.
    i'm glad i gave up smoking, in the end, when i smoked about half a pack a day, i really felt bad. haven't smoked a cigarette for about 1 1/2 yrs now (maybe one time when i was drunk, but i don't remember)
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    ... You wouldnt see many Sushi restaurants where I live though, the demand is just not there.
    i don't know much about 'authentic' sushi, but even in my - pretty agricultural - area, there's a demand. in my 15 000 ppl 'city', some japanese people run a sushi restaurant, and they've got a lotta customers every day. for most of the people here, it's truly extravagant, the food aswell as the show cooking. but i know, things in london are a little different
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    I put Eat meat almost daily because i eat what i want, when i want, or whats given to me, and it ussually has meat somewhere in there.

    I love Haggis, but i dont get it often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuyoiko
    I need to lose some weight - about 10 pounds to a stone. Considering that I am vegetarian and absolutely useless at self denial, does anyone have any tips?
    What sort of vegetarian are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokis-Phoenix
    What sort of vegetarian are you?
    Ovo-lacto. I try to eat vegan as much as possible.

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    I'm on the Atkins diet. It's pretty easy as I can still eat most of the things I like like meat, fish, cheese. It was hard to give up bread at first but now I am used to it. I miss pierogi too, and sushi (but sashimi is ok).

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