Politics Catalonia may become an independent nation soon...

This guy has serious issues: now he strikes again with more lies.

Cobega is going to settle in Madrid, NOT Coca-Cola, and this was decided long ago. Nothing to do with independence. About Volkswagen-Audi Spain, it makes perfect sense moving it to Spain (Madrid) if Catalonia gets independence. What it's pretty silly, is to assume there will not be Volkswagen-Audi Catalonia. ¿Or do you pretend they're going to risk their business in Catalunya due to this? In short: nonsense.

Lara said he may have to move part of their business, but not all. However, it doesn't matter, actually Planeta is not important, even for Lara. He gets money by doing other things.

Maybe we should talk about Seat and their great inversion for the Leon model production. And, ¿what about Fox Head? ¿Don't like the idea they choose Barcelona to sell all over Europe? What a pitty xd

Fortunately, not all Spanish people behaves like insane while dealing with Catalunya's independence. But, obviously, quite people do, specially inside Spanish politics. A shame...
 
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Yes indeed a shame the lies told by the separatists.

A real shame enhance endophobia, hatred and resentment for their own country.

Lies, lies, that everyone hears and all the ends of the earth may know the lies of a ridiculous and absurd nazionalismo that can threaten and destabilize their own country at a time of maximum crisis, manipulating and lying on history, for any economic and social data of a hypothetical independence of Catalonia.


But they're going to get, not the lie, the lie has triundado never, ever lie to the Gloria is reached, hatred never rule the world.

"Catalonia for sale, buyer take over payments.
 
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When the "pull" independence sentimental appeal Artur Mas was beginning to waver the first symptoms of the shift in the President's speech was the Generalitat book. In economic crisis, battered played pocket appeal to citizens to score against Madrid supporters. The germ of the economic injury was years maturing in Catalan society and was an asset politically infallible.


But economic arguments should match the numbers and deepen the thesis of the independence movement involves exposing a cluster of traps that have not overlooked major international investment banks. The Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS), the Japanese bank Nomura and JP Morgan's U.S. entity, true poodles of thousands of investors around the world have posted respective reports that much of the sales pitch collapse used by the Generalitat. In short, more debt and more deficits, and, of course, greater reluctance of international investors towards a territory, independent, very likely be out of the euro and the European Union.


It is true that this hypothetical new state taxes entirely would be generated in the territory (the tax currently raises about 32,000 million in Catalonia, money that would go to the new state if it maintained the current tax structure). Since budgeted revenues in 2012 of the Generalitat exceed 24,750 million, the money collected for the coffers would Catalan additional resources of about 7250 billion. But those revenues would be insufficient to cover the new expenses.


The independent Catalonia should take the share of the current state públicadel debt and would face new charges that are now covered with the common box. The payment of pensions, unemployment benefits, the service of foreign policy and military defense structure are just a few examples that have brought out the big banks experts internationally, have made clear they do not believe the But independence chimera.


"Economically unimaginable»
The firm Nomura did not hesitate to give a reality check to feint the president of the Generalitat, Artur Mas, "The financial position of Catalonia suggests that a referendum is very unlikely due to its dependence on state funding." The application of Catalonia over 5,000 million Autonomous Liquidity Fund (FLA) to meet expenses such as staff payroll or pay suppliers, is undoubtedly one of the main contradictions of independence challenge. And they exposed the Japanese bank, one of the most influential investment firms in markets: "In terms of market implications of event risk, we believe that a vote on independence is the worst possible scenario."


"Multiply the image of instability in Spain»
But the main argument of the Japanese entity is based on the impossibility of the challenge to the practice: "It would be economically unthinkable, especially for the size of the banking sector Catalan 'which, he says, suffer" negative consequences such as the flight of deposits. " And is that the large banks based in Catalonia, La Caixa Sabadell, has long ceased to be Catalans in terms of business and have a significant-and growing-presence in the country. This not only happens to the banks. Flagships of Catalan business as Natural Gas are, in practice, large multinationals operating nationally and internationally.
The bank Nomura also highlights the damage that the initiative of Artur Mas is doing the whole of Spain at a time of particular sensitivity of the markets. The bank says in fact that progress electotal could "accelerate the dynamics that lead to a ransom demand for Spain." "The events in Catalonia could not come at a worse time for the Government of Mariano Rajoy," he says. However, the entity qualifies: "In our opinion, this is a speech with which, in reality, the region plans to expand its fiscal autonomy." Because that generate noise elections and independence rhetoric merely multiply the image of instability in the country in the face of some investors already reluctant to Spain, concludes the Japanese.


"A bleak future and disastrous"
"Can Catalonia leave Spain? The short answer is no. " It's sharp displays the Swiss investment bank UBS in a report distributed among its customers and which removed one by one the economic arguments put forward by More in his pulse independence. The bank assumes that "the Spanish Constitution is quite clear" and Article 149 states that only the central government can authorize a referendum. Yet the bank's exercise goes further: "Assuming that the consultation is carried out and Catalonia finally declares independence, what are the economic forecasts? We think gloomy and disastrous. "


"The new nation would have great obstacles fisclaes»
Let's see why. Catalonia's debt guaranteed by Spain at the end of the year will amount to 42,000 million euros, which represents 21% of GDP. "This will become one of the least indebted countries in Europe," he says. Of course, then clarifies: these numbers do not include the division of the assets and liabilities of the entire State. "And that's the key," says UBS. Making a move in proportion, the bank estimates that, really, the independent Catalonia debt would soar to 78.4%, in line with the figure for the whole of Spain.
The most "tricky" is in Swiss bank plabras the effect that independence would have on the deficit. Catalonia ended 2011 with a deficit of 3.7% of GDP, so that, assuming good numbers provided by the Government of Mas, who argues that this region contributes 8% of GDP in Spain, secession would be a surplus 4% for Catalonia. However, UBS doubts these calculations because "ignore how divided the assets of the State" and "the great tax obstacles" that the new nation would. For starters, Catalonia must meet the payment of more than 7,000 million in debt maturities in 2013 and access to funding markets has closed. In fact, UBS notes that the region has had to resort to Autonomous Liquidity Fund (FLA), "so the workout with investors would be very difficult."


But the big question for investors would, according to UBS, would be this: "Where would stand financially Catalonia?». The bank itself gives the answer: "In Europe it seems not. It would be out of the EU and the Eurozone, "he says. A major problem when measuring the risk of the new country. "It would be disastrous", says UBS, who claims that he would close the export market and that costs would increase by having to launch a new currency. "The bankruptcy exit of banks and a sharp fall in wealth and income would be very likely" by the unstoppable effect the flight of capital. In addition, local financial institutions such as La Caixa Sabadell or would not have the safety net of the ECB.


"It would improve the fiscal situation»
U.S. bank JP Morgan shoots the heart of the separatist discourse: the alleged economic advantages of Catalonia as a nation. «Catalan not improve its fiscal path in an environment of independence," he says. In its recent report entitled "The real challenge asks questions Catalan to Europe", the entity considers that the alleged majority support of the Catalans to secession is not credible, stresses the illegality of an independence referendum in Catalonia, states that, if secession, Catalonia would be outside of the European Union and put black on white CiU actually settle for greater fiscal autonomy for the region.


However, JP Morgan warning of the hazard of the movement, which can give rise to other regions and even other EU countries, initiate similar claims. The bank also highlights the costs, if a hypothetical independence, should assume that actuamente assumes Catalonia and the Government, as administrative expenses, defense or security. "In a favorable scenario, with minimal transition costs, without producing a significant break trade with the rest of Spain, by reference to the fiscal deficit by the most pro-nationalist interests and estimating the costs assumed by the Government moderately, the benefit of secession would not reach 3% of GDP "he says.
 
1- To copy paste using google translator is not a good idea. It looks really bad.

2- Some of you, Spaniards, should stop caring about what Catalunya will do without Spain, and better focus on your own future, which is terrible with or without Catalunya according to most scholars.

3- The ABC, Mundo, País, and similar Spanish press, has never been reliable when refering to Catalunya's independence, since they obviously show things in the way they like them to be, not how things would be (aproximately).

4- The article fails since the beginning claiming some things as truth, which are far from being demonstrated: Out of the EU and the Euro currency. Actually, most people having important business in Catalunya, specially those who belong to other countries of the EU, laugh out loud at this possibility. ¿Do you really think more than 4000 companies would renounce to their rights in Catalunya? Not easy, none of the countries having interests in Catalunya would agree with this.

5- Other stupidities: the Spanish debt belongs to Spain, so, first of all, if they want we keep some part of this, they would have to offer something. Without any negociations it's very difficult, not to say impossible. However, while we are part of Spain, we have to pay what it's due, so using the mentioned argument of this money to say it's nonsense to seek independence, it's basically the real nonsense: if we're part of Spain we'll have to pay this, if not, we'll see.

6- ¿Aren't you, Spaniards who act this way, tired of the ridiculousness emanating from you? Not only economically speaking, but also refering to questions concerning self determination. The whole world can't believe in Spain is not possible to ask the Catalans about their own future. ¿Is that what wou want to show? The international projection of Spain is getting worse since a very long time, and now its brand means nothing but rubbish to most people, specially in the rest of Europe and the EE.UU. Seriously, It's time to solve your problems so, please, stop acting like insane.

7- Good night! ;)
 
In Spain (Catalonia included of course) have no absolute monarchies or dictators, sorry but you can not give privileges to Catalonia at the expense of other regions. Absolutist dictators and kings may give privileges to Catalonia regions over others, but the Spanish mentality is present in Europe. The Spanish have a mentality where there is no privilege Catalonia why? I understand that Catalonia is accustomed to the privileges of decades, even centuries ago, but times have changed and a country is to ensure that all regions achieved an excellent standard of living.


It is more convenient to have privileges, but we must work hard for Spain, we have a crisis and there is no room for selfishness. Spanish is now is solidarity and responsibility.


If longer Spanish Catalonia also longer European, a paradox when you consider that the secessionists always go around bragging that they are more advanced and Europeans and the rest of Spanish are behind, smacks that gives life when someone thinks up!


If you no longer stop Spanish EU membership Forces throughout the mouth!


There's the door, get out when they want.

I love being Spanish and I love Spain, I'm a Democrat, solidarity and desire that all regions of Spain to work well, and also throughout Europe and the world.


Please archaic and outdated mentalities are not accepted in Spain.

Certainly foreign people must know what they are really the secessionists, know that the secessionists have many decades by eating the head of the foreign press and publicizing their cause, with lies of course. That is why the foreign press does not quite capture reality very well.


Here is a sample of historical quotes of these people, hateful nonsense authentic free to their own country, which is Spain:

"We will be the fourth power in Europe, and Europe is proud to have finally a civilized state in southern Europe ...".
(Isabel-Clara Simó, writer and candidate number 4 per Barcelona Catalan Solidarity independence in Catalonia regional elections of 2010, predicting the situation of Catalonia secesionada. November 30, 2010).


"When you turn the cake, that independence is not is a traitor."
Joel Joan, actor, promoter Sobirania i Progrés platform-organizer of the informal consultations on secession-founder and president of the Catalan Film Academy, the same month subsidized by the tripartite 625,000 euros. September 15, 2010).

"We charge to anyone who gets in our way."
(Joan Carter, Reagrupament leader, at the opening of a branch of the separatist party in Gerona. February 27, 2010).


"The police have to speak Catalan in Catalan, has to stick even in Catalan."
(Manuel Cuyàs, deputy director of the newspaper El Punt, during a protest against the actions of the Mossos d'Esquadra in a student demonstration which injured several journalists. March 20, 2009).

"In Catalonia There can`t be quality service commercially without speaking Catalan."
(Josep-Lluís Carod-Rovira, vice president of the Generalitat. November 7, 2008).

"The nationalist not feel or want to own no right to live."
(Javier Maqueda, Basque Nationalist Party senator during his speech as guest speaker at the 18th Congress of the Socialist Party of Mallorca. May 30, 2006).

"We would be totally incomprehensible that someone from Catalonia would support the candidacy of Madrid 2012".
(Josep-Lluís Carod-Rovira, vice president of the Generalitat. November 26, 2004).

"I've tried a lifetime struggle for non-violent way. But I declare here and I say out loud in case I hear a police or prosecutor: I declare the Spanish state enemy and friend of ETA and Batasuna.
(Lluís Maria Xirinacs, religious and separatist former senator, in his speech at a rally in Barcelona. September 11, 2002).

"Not included no luxury, but tools that make my job easier. The idea was to make the car a mobile office. "
(Ernest Benach, concierge and former president of the Catalan regional parliament, on the commotion made ​​in crisis by the installation in his official car a custom wooden desk, television, mp3, bluetooth and footrest, which cost 9276 euros of treasury public. Oct. 27, 2008).
 
The issue of independence in Catalonia are handling about 6 families related to each other.


About 400 people live like kings with Catalan autonomy, is the new Catalan aristocracy.


It makes me laugh at the rich and poor regions, are misapplied terms, in Catalonia the working class has the same salaries garbage in the rest of Spain. This independence is a business for a few people, the people are being manipulated and the concessions made ​​PP or PSOE nazionalistas to have been fatal in the long run in the social and economic spheres since nazionalistas or Catalan rulers have been poor managers of Catalan autonomy.


Also point out that you can not talk about Spain-Catalonia in terms of bilateralism because these are two states, Catalonia is a region of Spain.


Spain has 17 autonomous communities, it is wrong to think that in Catalonia and Spain on the other hand, is a part of the confusion and manipulation of language by nazionalistas.

Catalonia in recent years has been depleted, are performed many boycotts of products made in Catalonia, many multinationals have gone and what little industry there were clearly small Catalan subsidiaries of multinational companies that manufactured small accessories multinationals, in these 30 years there is no distinctly Catalan industry, have not invented anything, nor have they created anything himself. 92 Olympics, enlarged Prat Airport, the TGV, etc has paid all the Spanish state.

S & P degrades 'junk' the
rating of Catalonia and alert
tensions over fiscal pact




Standard & Poor's also degrades the debt rating of Catalonia. Just as it did last May Moody's, the rating agency has also downgraded today the region note junk bond level, lower it after two steps, from 'BBB-' to 'BB'. The cut comes after the Government confirmed this week to attend the Autonomous Liquidity Fund and EUR 5.023 million claim to the inability to obtain financing itself.
"The downgrade of Catalonia is motivated by the growing tensions between the region and the central government, and the potential negative impact we believe that these tensions may have on the ability to obtain financing Catalonia", explains in his statement S & P. The agency warning of a weak credit profile of the community, the deterioration of its liquidity and the high dependence on state support to cover its debt maturities.
S & P warns, in particular, the consequences of which could carry the Catalan Government's claim to change the regional financing system, articulated last July about the fiscal compact. A requirement that "increases the uncertainties" and "can damage the necessary coordination between the regional and central administration for the smooth implementation of the financial assistance from the Government and can weaken the will of the Government to support under certain scenarios."


You can see that region rich nothing. In the past it was for the privileges that gave the Bourbons and after General Franco. Think that Catalonia had to herself the whole Spanish market and in all that time and with that advantage has not created a distinctly Catalan industry and strong, has simply put their land to multinationals were coming, nothing more.


Now is angry because times have changed and will not fit a igualitara Spain, want to continue to have privileges and sorry, that's better for them to go, many Spanish would agree to leave, as the Catalan mentality is outdated and archaic and believe in discrimination and the mentality of the rest of Spain is more advanced and is more universal and wants equality and growth for Spain as a whole.


It's a problem of not adapting to changing times.
 
All the statements you mention are fairly recent and the consequence of the relation with Castille/Spain since the XVIII th century. Even if Catalonia has never been independent, inside the "Aragonese" framework (Corona de Aragón) there was freedom to preserve its languaje and institutions, and since 1714 that depends only on Spain, forbidding everything and everytime they wanted: that includes languaje, traditions, institutions, and laws from the Catalan parliament during democracy. So it's perfectly understandable some people need to express such a disagreement, maybe not always using the proper words, but it's all due to the mentioned problem. Following this way, there's no place for Catalunya inside Spain, and people won't renounce to their will of one day becoming independent.

The article is interesting Kardu. It points many of the things I already mentioned, specially concerning the EU, the Euro, and the Spanish debt (which belongs exclusively to Spain for more they claim we must assume some part of it). However, it's true that this are hard times, and the process to get independence is not an easy task and will take some time. Outside Catalunya some people could think there's not really a national majority in Catalunya, but wait until 25-N and you'll see what's going on. 3 weeks, that's it :)

PD: It's very funny when they try to show we're not only rich, but even poor, and they still don't want an independent Catalunya. ¿What's the problem if we're so poor? Much better for you Spaniards! jaja. Sorry to say this but...it's incredibly ridiculous to talk about obvious things such as this one.
 
Yes, yes, more lies and nonsense:


Columbus was Catalan, La Gioconda is based in the Virgin of Montserrat, E, T, copied Spilberg a cartoonist catalan, what else? please, that desire for prominence


Yes, yes, and says that independence: "We will be the fourth European power"


To love SPAIN is to love EUROPE.


I dedicate this video of one andalusian woman and a murcian man, for you whit the spanish love for you.
 
And now the guy seems to care if Columbus was Catalan and other theories, which no way are presented as truth, not at least by most of the Catalans. Come on, be serious.

There you are what the Spanish goverment is trying to hide, making Spaniards (like you) believe Spain has total control of the situation: http://www.salaimartin.com/randomth...-catalunya-independiente-estará-en-la-ue.html

The article is in Castillian, very easy for you, if someone else wants to read it, possibly google translator will help. It basically points to the obvious, also mentioned in the article posted by Kardu, and some things also published by other international media (not in Spain, time to wonder why). Sala i Martín is, by the way, one of the most popular Catalan economists, and he is well known in the EE.UU. for his good job.

Time to open your eyes little guy, that's how things work. Most Catalans right now simply laugh out loud at the Spanish threats. The best one can do in such a pathetic scenario, of course.
 
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The issue of independence in Catalonia are handling about 6 families related to each other.


About 400 people live like kings with Catalan autonomy, is the new Catalan aristocracy.


It makes me laugh at the rich and poor regions, are misapplied terms, in Catalonia the working class has the same salaries garbage in the rest of Spain. This independence is a business for a few people, the people are being manipulated and the concessions made ​​PP or PSOE nazionalistas to have been fatal in the long run in the social and economic spheres since nazionalistas or Catalan rulers have been poor managers of Catalan autonomy.


Also point out that you can not talk about Spain-Catalonia in terms of bilateralism because these are two states, Catalonia is a region of Spain.


Spain has 17 autonomous communities, it is wrong to think that in Catalonia and Spain on the other hand, is a part of the confusion and manipulation of language by nazionalistas.

Catalonia in recent years has been depleted, are performed many boycotts of products made in Catalonia, many multinationals have gone and what little industry there were clearly small Catalan subsidiaries of multinational companies that manufactured small accessories multinationals, in these 30 years there is no distinctly Catalan industry, have not invented anything, nor have they created anything himself. 92 Olympics, enlarged Prat Airport, the TGV, etc has paid all the Spanish state.

S & P degrades 'junk' the
rating of Catalonia and alert
tensions over fiscal pact




Standard & Poor's also degrades the debt rating of Catalonia. Just as it did last May Moody's, the rating agency has also downgraded today the region note junk bond level, lower it after two steps, from 'BBB-' to 'BB'. The cut comes after the Government confirmed this week to attend the Autonomous Liquidity Fund and EUR 5.023 million claim to the inability to obtain financing itself.
"The downgrade of Catalonia is motivated by the growing tensions between the region and the central government, and the potential negative impact we believe that these tensions may have on the ability to obtain financing Catalonia", explains in his statement S & P. The agency warning of a weak credit profile of the community, the deterioration of its liquidity and the high dependence on state support to cover its debt maturities.
S & P warns, in particular, the consequences of which could carry the Catalan Government's claim to change the regional financing system, articulated last July about the fiscal compact. A requirement that "increases the uncertainties" and "can damage the necessary coordination between the regional and central administration for the smooth implementation of the financial assistance from the Government and can weaken the will of the Government to support under certain scenarios."


You can see that region rich nothing. In the past it was for the privileges that gave the Bourbons and after General Franco. Think that Catalonia had to herself the whole Spanish market and in all that time and with that advantage has not created a distinctly Catalan industry and strong, has simply put their land to multinationals were coming, nothing more.


Now is angry because times have changed and will not fit a igualitara Spain, want to continue to have privileges and sorry, that's better for them to go, many Spanish would agree to leave, as the Catalan mentality is outdated and archaic and believe in discrimination and the mentality of the rest of Spain is more advanced and is more universal and wants equality and growth for Spain as a whole.


It's a problem of not adapting to changing times.

Are you a racist?...if a people in todays world want to leave a nation because they voted democratically, let them leave. Stop thinking in a feudal way.
Spain already has a racist way on enforcing castiliano ( spanish language) on everyone.

The recent papers on Columbus states he was from Barcelona and moved his family to Genoa, he could not even speak genoese, but resorted to franco-provenzal to get by. The lie of his race was because the castilian cortes under Isabella refused to allow basques, Galicians and Catalans to captain ships to discover the new world.
The castilians where so racist they they prefered genoese bankers and merchants to govern their money than allow catalan cortes and merchants who already had experience.
 
Monica Pont actress and T.V. Catalan said this:

Pont Interviú naked 'independence Catalans are selfish and parochial'




Albert Boadella Catalan theater director has said this:
Albert Boadella: "Catalonia is a society that has become paranoid"



The whole society is Catalan independence. The threads of the independence move it a few handlers to the Catalan population, as has happened in other moments of history in Europe without going any further. And we all know that a people can be heated and easily manipulated.
 
And finally, the end credits: CONSPIRATION :D

You can take it easy and accept what the vast majority in Catalonia wants, or keep repeating baseless claims like an angry parrot. It's up to you, facts won't change: the Catalans WILL decide. Deal with it, accept it, and don't waste your time.
 
And finally, the end credits: CONSPIRATION :D

You can take it easy and accept what the vast majority in Catalonia wants, or keep repeating baseless claims like an angry parrot. It's up to you, facts won't change: the Catalans WILL decide. Deal with it, accept it, and don't waste your time.

I'm not angry, we laughed a lot with the things they say the separatists. And by the way why are you so interested in not known reality


catalibán regime does not like free speech, right?

Kisses and hugs to my dear fellow Knovas. The rest of Spanish Catalonia worship, I want you with us.
 
You mean freedom of expression. You have it in Catalonia: C's with Rivera + Cañas, and PP with Alicia Sanchez Camacho, both repetting the same nonsense everyday. The problem is that they will be the minority on 25-N, they're not fooling anyone with words such as yours. What a pitty xd

We don't have anything against the Spanish people, rather the government and individuals supporting their actions concerning Catalonia. Simply, it's better to become neighbors, because as brothers this is not working, like it or not. Catalonia will decide, take it easy.
 
You mean freedom of expression. You have it in Catalonia: C's with Rivera + Cañas, and PP with Alicia Sanchez Camacho, both repetting the same nonsense everyday. The problem is that they will be the minority on 25-N, they're not fooling anyone with words such as yours. What a pitty xd

We don't have anything against the Spanish people, rather the government and individuals supporting their actions concerning Catalonia. Simply, it's better to become neighbors, because as brothers this is not working, like it or not. Catalonia will decide, take it easy.

Jo tinc molta calma, no siguis dolent. La resta d`Espanya estima a Catalunya. Que no et mengin el coco, tens un odi fictici contra la resta d`Espanya. T´estimen molt, fixat feia anys que no vaig escriure en català i ho he fet per tu, pot ser que hagin faltes d`ortografia però pensa que la resta no som tan dolents, no som el llop, cre-ume.
 
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The 'report Aznar' dismantles the myth of fiscal plundering Catalonia

The differences between regions CCAA


Assuming, outlined in unison, that "the ability to pay and not the residence" is the factor that determines the tax burden borne by taxpayers, set an example to simplify the case: "If a resident has to pay in Catalonia a larger amount in income tax a resident in Aragon and La Rioja with identical incomes, is because the government of their community fee applies higher tax rates to the regional tax, which does not impact on the fiscal balance as perceives that the community fund. as far as the state tax is concerned, the three paid the same. "


A fiscal pact as Artur Mas demanded that Rajoy in his recent release in Moncloa, continues the document goes against "economic and administrative rationality", at the time that "would open a fragmentation process tax compromise very viability of the economic functions of the state and violate the principle of solidarity and equality. "

The Generalitat gives false figures


But undoubtedly the most difficult section of the Generalitat lace is on fiscal balances. According to it, one of the methods used by the regional government containing "technical inconsistencies that produce bias calculation." Moreover, it assumes "unreal arguments" to "impute to a region that does not correspond costs and therefore reduce the other regions, or directly delete the entire expenditure incurred outside the division of regions."


All with the assessment, highlights Fernandez of the Generalitat makes the calculation of fiscal balances "by estimating a deficit or surplus absolutely theoretical or hypothetical." Translated: conclusions "unrealistic and wrong, which is evident when real data are mixed with fictitious estimates".


With this radiograph, put on the table in Barcelona by the authors and also includes solutions, simplifying the system and a review of the elements that govern, for example, Aznar tries to end "the dogma that the Catalan nazionalism seeks to sustain its fragile position ", containing the text of FAES. But also falls squarely in the field, to reject a key reason to "continue along the path of sovereignism".
 
Catalonia took 50 percent of the promotion grants for tolls since 2001, five times more than other CCAA


The autonomous region of Catalonia has been getting in the last twelve years, 50 percent of the grants to the Ministry of Development has contributed to offset the reduction of 7 percent in the price of the freeways that took place in 1999. According to data seen by Europa Press, this would be five times more than they receive other CCAA for the same concept.


In addition, the State has paid well, on account of that measure, losses highways regional ownership of Catalonia, whose tolls are up to 80 percent more expensive than state ownership of the CCAA.


The bulk of the contributions of Development has occurred to offset revenue losses that led to the application of Royal Decree-Law 6/99 which was determined by the reduction in toll rates by 7 percent of their value. This Decree established that the loss of revenue would be liquidated by the Central Government.


This decision led to the signing of annual agreements with the Government of Catalonia from 1999 to 2009, which were paid between 2002-2011, but have yet to settle the 2010 and 2011 - in which the general administration of the State has taken the loss of revenue from managed Promotion highways, but also the loss of regional ownership highways, which are not State competition.


Payment of this contribution has been for 534 million euros Catalonia in these ten years, which places this CCAA as the most benefit in relation to the rest, since it takes 50 percent of the 1,098 million the state has paid by said concept.


Moreover there other items that add to the above and which also comes highly favored Catalonia. These items are much smaller, but coupled with the first - the offset of 7 percent - assume that last year, spent Development, as a whole, a total of 134.3 million euros for this purpose, the the CCAA chaired by Artur Mas was 71.1 million euros, ie 53 percent of the total, almost 5 times the amount for other CCAA, as Castilla and Leon, who received 15.4 million or Galicia , with 13.5 million (10 percent of total).


If you add up all the concepts, the compensation of 7 percent and the rest, means that Catalonia has received from 2001 to 2011, a total of 608.16 million euros, of which 399 million were for companies concessionaires and 209 million to the Government.


HIGHWAYS OF THE GOVERNMENT, more expensive


As for price comparison, and despite the repeal of Royal Decree Law 6/99, average toll per kilometer in the state network of Catalonia still set to the average value of the state. That is, state tolls are 0.1180 euros per kilometer and average state tolls in Catalonia is 0.1188 euros per kilometer.


Tolls highest state dealerships are not in that CCAA, but lie in the Villalva-Adanero (0.1945 euros per kilometer), the Lion-Campomanes (0.1539), the R-2 in the section M-40 (0.2117) and Axis Barajas Airport (0.2079).


However, in Catalonia, highways owned by the Government are more expensive than the state, as the price per kilometer is 0.2125 euros. Which means that in Catalonia state tolls are about 80 percent below the average toll of the Catalan regional highways.


The Minister of Development referred to these data on Wednesday in the full Senate, to answer an interpellation of Senator CiU, Montserrat Candini, regarding the repeal of Royal Decree Law 6/99 by which tolls were lowered 7 percent and the revenue loss was compensated by the state.


Ana Pastor said he favored a mixed model that makes no Spanish citizens and asked that when politicians talk about "tell the whole truth, not bits and parcels," referring to the contribution of the State for that concept, subsidies and discounts higher prices of motorways of the Generalitat.

He recalled that the compensation for the reduction of 7 percent has brought 105 million euros a year and that, given the debt they inherited in the Ministry of Development for the mismanagement of Catalonia, was repealed by Royal Decree-Law 6 / 1999, so that Catalonia will not receive the subsidy for motorways of the Government of the Generalitat and state highways.

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We must realize how hypocritical they are nazionalistas, receive more than others and complain and also are not able to carry their region, what is the easiest? cover it exalting the population and promising a better world with independence.


Please, if you do not know how to lead an autonomous community and will lead a new nation?
 
That complaint Renfe the Catalan government owes 300 million euros

Renfe has complained Monday that the Catalan accumulated a debt estimated at 291 million euros, corresponding to the cost of providing the service in 2011 and 2012, plus the outstanding amounts of 2010 and the so-called Action Plan, which supports additional requests the Government to transfer services and have not been paid.


So the 125 Renfe said disciplinary proceedings opened by the Generalitat of Catalonia, announced Monday by the Department of Planning and Sustainability.


Furthermore, this Monday the Government has denied having any debt with Renfe for providing their services in Catalonia and has assured that the Ministry of Public Works which must pay because the Government refused at the time to assume the cost of competencies that came without economic considerations.


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This is the reality of Catalonia you not know it? cataliban regime has spent years making propaganda and becoming the victim to the foreign press, and you go and believe, then so are useless and have more face that back
 
The Catalan businessman Gerard Bellalta promotes a signature campaign to outlaw CiU, which compares with a "conspiracy"

The businessman and president of Catalunya Desperta Ya!, Gerard Bellalta, today announced the start of a signature campaign across the country to outlaw CiU party, compared to a "conspiracy".


"Catalonia has become a swamp and a dump by CiU. The web of corruption woven around this game is a challenge to the future of our region, "said Bellalta, who attributes the escalating separatist launched by Artur Mas party" need to launch your smokescreen to overshadow the great debate that should exist today in Catalonia regarding the embezzlement of public funds by a few. "


"CiU has bought media, has alienated wills to hit book, has introduced the seeds of division between the Catalans, has been thrown into the arms of the most undesirable and dangerous of Catalan society, negotiating with the Arab dictators Islamic immigration quota is jeopardizing the future of hundreds of Catalan companies and now seeks nothing less than the breakdown of Spain against the Constitution and the feeling of the majority. If these are not reasons for its banning, then we've lost all sense of right and wrong, "said businessman and politician of Vilanova.
Bellalta inopinable believes that "a party that is exceeding all legal limits" and is committing "the stability and peace of the nation" has no choice but to "expulsion from the framework of coexistence that we have come to the Spanish."


Our party complaint for some CiU leaders who have been relegated for opposing "separatist delusions" of Artur Mas and is in favor of the intervention of the Spanish Army in Catalonia for the restoration of constitutional legality. "I assure you that almost all Catalans I know are in favor of armed intervention to address these traitors to Catalonia and the rest of Spain," he stresses.
That of Vilanova is convinced reach the figure of more than one million signatures, which would be submitted to Congress as Popular Legislative Initiative for the banning of CiU to be debated in the House.
A few days ago, Gerard Bellalta starred in the Catalan media to announce the sale of tens of thousands of rolls of toilet paper in the colors of the starry. "No company wanted to adopt the Catalan custom, not for lack of desire, but out of fear of reprisals by the nationalists. In Catalonia is a climate of hate and fear that forces many people to act and make decisions contrary to their principles, "he said.

To realize his initiative, Bellalta reported that "we are in negotiations with some printers Valencian Community" and even includes the acquisition of a printing machine "in the event that no company wants to accept our request." "Like it or not, we want to fill stellate bathrooms in Spain," he added.
 

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