Politics Catalonia may become an independent nation soon...

So, it seems that we are getting closer to the Catalonian referendum on 9th November. Only about a week from now. Anyone wanna make any comments?

What do you guys believe will happen? Will Catalonia stay with Spain; or will they get independence?
 
So, it seems that we are getting closer to the Catalonian referendum on 9th November. Only about a week from now. Anyone wanna make any comments?

What do you guys believe will happen? Will Catalonia stay with Spain; or will they get independence?

The distance should not make you understand how things really are. The 9N consultation has been suspended for being unconstitutional. So Arthur Mas has botched and aims to make a query without electoral roll and putting polls in libraries at a fish in a hallway in the toilet of a sex shop, a fudge consultation has also been prohibited by the government because of equal form is unconstitutional and does not guarantee the democratic conditions that citizens deserve. It would be advisable that these corrupt independentisas, the rulers would stop being ridiculous and quit trying to perpetuate the system of privileges to their region blackmailing the Spanish State with threats of independence, because in reality they are scared shitless and the last thing they wanted themselves be independent, it is all a political gimmick. On the other hand it is a common mistake to speak of España_Cataluña bilaterally, we are not talking about two states, remember that Catalonia is a region of Spain with a high level of corruption and nothing after centuries of unpriviledged have even been able to maintain carriers such as Spanair.
 
The ANC notes with yellow signs 'friends shops'

The Catalan National Assemblea (ANC) not only conforms to the organization of demonstrations and collected signatures in favor of independence. Their activities go far beyond 9-N and edge, according to reports from traders, blackmail and extortion. Looking September 11 Barcelona toured the shops adjacent to the "V" and demanding the closure to "invite" the owners of the establishments to pay a contribution to "look" in their windows a sign of the ANC.

The next step is to be the permanent identification of what "asamblearios" Carme Forcadell and Artur Mas called "friends shops". The separatist organization "aims to create a network of businesses that cooperate in spreading the message of the ANC to expand and reach other types of people." Among the options for collaboration is that of "hanging signs outside the property or inside the windows and putting a distinctive stating that you are a 'Friend of the ANC Trade'."


Les Corts, one of the wealthier districts of Barcelona, ​​the "Assemblea" and has the support of dozens of businesses that advertised on the internet. The campaign takes place in other neighborhoods, as can be seen in the links suggested in the previous page. Rides militants ANC stores match the survey conducted door to door with the "decoration" of street furniture with ribbons and yellow papers.

The attitude of some members of the ANC and the fact mark the affected stores has caused outrage in some establishment owners who refuse to cooperate with the "Assemblea" but fear that threats of boycotts are realized if do not agree to pay what they call "revolutionary tax" and hang up the separatist poster.


As can be seen in the page where the ANC gives a list of stores with the yellow "certificate", the "idea" is "to preserve the fabric of our neighborhood merchants" and "We want our neighbors are present." For many owners of establishments thinly veiled insinuation is mafia category.









http://www.libertaddigital.com/espa...es-amarillos-los-comercios-amigos-1276531323/
 
for the catalans.........an old venetian saying

có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo
when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.
 
Ridiculous current regionalist nationalism need a fictitious enemy is created, it is the only way they make sense of their stupid crazy.
 
Ridiculous current regionalist nationalism need a fictitious enemy is created, it is the only way they make sense of their stupid crazy.

Maybe if Spain makes the catalan language the national language instead of this "spanish language" which is a mix of Castilian and Leonese dialects , then it might change the vote:beer1:
 
Ridiculous current regionalist nationalism need a fictitious enemy is created, it is the only way they make sense of their stupid crazy.
What do you think the future of Spain will be, if Catalonia manages to stay? May I ask. Will Spain once again become the prosperous nation it once was? Will the nationalism/separatism die-down? Will the Spanish government manage to make Spain a healthy prosperous culture?

Right now; it seems that Spain's future is bleak. (Let us not pretend that it's not.) But it will be interesting to see what the government will plan, if they want to make their nation healthy again. I personally believe the Spanish government will have to take a lot of effort to restore.
 
Maybe if Spain makes the catalan language the national language instead of this "spanish language" which is a mix of Castilian and Leonese dialects , then it might change the vote:beer1:

Catalan is a Spanish language, maybe if the whole map of Spain is called "Catalan Countries" everything would be solved, the solution may be as simple and ridiculous. lol
 
Catalan is a Spanish language, maybe if the whole map of Spain is called "Catalan Countries" everything would be solved, the solution may be as simple and ridiculous. lol

Maybe you are correct if that happens ...........considering the first merger was that the catalans supplied the King
 
What do you think the future of Spain will be, if Catalonia manages to stay? May I ask. Will Spain once again become the prosperous nation it once was? Will the nationalism/separatism die-down? Will the Spanish government manage to make Spain a healthy prosperous culture?

Right now; it seems that Spain's future is bleak. (Let us not pretend that it's not.) But it will be interesting to see what the government will plan, if they want to make their nation healthy again. I personally believe the Spanish government will have to take a lot of effort to restore.


The problem of Spain is currently the corruption of some politicians, power is centralized, civil guard or the police do their work, judges do their job and yet the corrupt politicians are not going to jail or go very little time and no return the money they have in Switzerland and other tax havens such as Jordi Pujol have this ambitious midget who loves to Catalonia but both billions of euros have stolen the offshore.


Yes that Spain can be a great prosperous country in the future, we have the potential and we have shown through history, it's just a question of cleaning and separating the political caste justice policy.


Not the case of Catalonia, is the case of Catalan political oligarchy with a great social engineering to master their electorate like sheep. Health in Catalonia, work, everything is terrible, what if they are not able now to make things work why should they get things work remain independent? really the work of Catalan politics is so corrupt and disastrous as it is in the rest of Spain, there is no difference, the only Catalonia wants to perpetuate its system more and more, poor Europe privileges independent Catalonia would all on asking, in that are tireless.


Once we have banished the corruption of the parasitic caste politics Spain again be what it has always been.

Do not think it has any future actions and attitudes pseudonazis today in any country in Europe and ridiculously imported least in some Spanish regions, the doctrine baseless die itself.
 
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cataliban,
One more thing like this and you are banned forever!

Do not think it has any future actions and attitudes pseudonazis today in any country in Europe and ridiculously imported least in some Spanish regions, the doctrine baseless die itself.
Always insulting and manipulating with tendentious (and serious) comparisons. The catalan process has nothing to do with that.

Moderators please! I think it's time to do something...thanks ;)
 
I love you too.


Let's balance:


First it is clear that the separatist nationalist policy is able to mobilize their electorate at will now have to make a human chain, now you have to make a human Vee, now you have to go to vote.


As stated by the Andalusian communist Anguita this ideas of the separatist Catalan bourgeoisie implanted in the Catalan town assimilating these ideas and endorses.


But we have seen in a sorry exercise pulse is unfortunate Spanish State to hide behind the electorate, some people willingly do what their masters tell them I mean the parasitic caste Catalan nationalist but is useless in the end.


In the absence of a genuine and effective policy to Catalan nationalism hides behind his electorate.


The mock election was a fiasco, a scam, a disgrace to democracy.


There was no electoral census
In pseudoelectorales tables only had independence representatives.
Voters children under 16 years
Voters children 16
Voters illegal immigrants.
The same person could vote up to four urns (btw cardboard) different.


In some tables has been the national numbering documentao identity of those who were voting no.


Tricks and traps will anyone familiar?
 
In this picture you can clearly see the same person at different depositing his ballot polls, vote the same times. This is the democracy of the Separatists.

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Fraud 9N: a consultation on voting until children
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Barcelona.- simulation secessionist referendum held Sunday in Catalonia was a pantomime-not had any legally valid but also a fudge and a fraud. And is that the vote lacked any democratic guarantee. So, as many citizens are denouncing social networks, could be seen during the day to Catalans who voted several times, they did with a fake ID or you were dressed, being impossible to identify them. There were also constraints on the part of the organizers in the same polling or manipulation of ballots. And then a count in which, for example, a man in charge of doing was Oriol Junqueras leader ERC.


An example of this democratic scam 9N was found in some pictures that have been posted on the social networks in which children appear to vote, although they were called to the polls over 16 years. It is conceivable that parents let their children enter the ballot in the ballot box because Tthat illusion makes them and, therefore, does not mean they are voting, but in any case, this practice is prohibited in any minimally regular ballot, where even are in charge of the polling station who introduced the envelope in the ballot box to prevent from scoring more than one.


> In the picture, a girl in the office by voting this Sunday.



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Also illegal immigrants voted in this farce. What would they have promised?

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What can you expect from someone who is able to devour her own son?

Europe does not need this.
 
1- The guy did not vote 3 times. Two of his friends gave their ID paper in 2 more places and, after that (in front of the supervisor and the other guys), it was him the one who put the ballot inside for them. Very easy to understand, even for you: 3 separate votes by 3 different people, no problem.

2- Children did not give any ID. Parents did and, after that, it works the same way: the vote still comes from the adult, doesn't matter who put the ballot inside if there's a supervisor in front of the person.

3- Immigrants living in Catalonia for at least one year (showing all the documents) were able to vote. So they're not illegal, indeed, there are a lot of immigrants with a reference residence inscribed in many different municipalities (including the rest of Spain). Go and say that to the central government then.

4- Search the info yourself.

5- What are you doing here? you should be banned. Moderators please! read my previous post. Thanks!
 
I am a bit angry with the way Madrid has handled this situation: Because, I think that the poll should have been legal. If I were the centralized government (Madrid) and in control of Spain (in terms of strategy) I believe there would probably be no choice but to let Catalonia go, if they had voted YES in a legal referendum. If the Catalonians voted No, then Spain would have absolutely nothing to worry about; at least for a while.

I do not mean to make people upset; but I believe Madrid being provocative towards Catalonia is having dire consequences: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30111044

Catalonia seems like it may be destined to go. Catalonia already has an intense nationalist movement and is a pretty wealthy region. And, compared to the oppressive government of Spain with a falling economy; Madrid's provocative intervention into Catalonia will only bring more division. And Spain as a whole just simply doesn't have the resources or respect, to support this region anymore. I see Madrid has not handled this situation well and the consequences of this may be drastic.

All in all, there were much bigger cons to Madrid not letting Catalonia have a legal polling. There would be more pros to letting Catalonia have a fair and legal polling referendum, rather than an illegal one. If you recall your history, Slovenia broke away from Yugoslavia with an 88% of the population voting for independence. (Catalonia is 80.5%) But I believe Yugoslavia had deemed the Slovenian referendum illegal.
 
81% voted for independence

This data sharing is equivalent to 31.77% of the 6,224,140 people, according to the National Statistics Institute, are officially surveyed in Catalonia with more than 16 years, the limit set by the Government to participate in the consultation this 9-N.

Citizen participation in the independence talks on Sunday in Catalonia low 25 points on the regional elections held in this community in 2012 and down 22 points from the overall 2011.

Less than general
The percentage turnout of 31.77%-extracted from the INE statistics are well below regular participation in Catalonia, according to data collected by the agency Servimedia the latest regional and general elections.

A complete failure, was practically only vote for these elections the pro-independence voters, the vast majority of the Catalan population stayed at home and not be interested in showing the indepedencia.


The data speak for themselves is evident.
 

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