23andMe 23andMe's methodology artificially purifies your ancestry results

[hapiness15]

I have to say that this may have some truth to it. I get the impression that over time they seem to have worked on "consolidating" more of the ancestry reports into bigger, cleaner, major categories, often overlooking minor amounts of ancestry that differ from that or just stuffing/subsuming it into the bigger category. Like when I first took the test ten years ago, it noted a roughly corresponding or expected amount for Italian ancestry (around 7-8%) given my one eighth from my great-grandmother who was actually born there. Over time, they've made that smaller and smaller to the point where it is now 0% lol. I'm like 99.7% Balkan now on 23andme. I also wonder if they change things around based on what you put for your known reported ancestry of your family, to more easily fit that? Since I took that part off just to see what would happen out of curiosity. Similar thing seems to have happened on Ancestry.com as well.

Also, the regions/localities where they place you within a country for me are pretty surprising and often don't match with expected results and known family history.

Anyway 23andme isn't really about ancient ancestry much at all, and I don't think they claim to be. It's about the last 500 years or so. If you're looking for deeper ancestry there are other services, or you can use the raw data from things like 23 and Ancestry for that

Reddit i found some people where their distant ancestry was smoothed into a single ethnicity , for example a segment where had a little bit of irish become italy , this man said he was have had a g grandmother was 100% irish and he knew what was segments but 23andme smoothed a lot these segments so this % irish did disappear, when he did analyze his computed data % in 45 rev 1 did appear but when was to 45 rev 2 was smoothed into a single ethnicity

 

[Luso]

23andMe (and AncestryDNA) remain the best for autosomal modern dna. 23andMe more effectively smooths the result for homogenous people, while AncestryDNA is still persistent in saying im part Spanish, French, Irish, and Scandinavian.

Both have given me the region of Central/Southern Portugal.

 

[Stuvanè]

Nothing to complain about the raw data provided by the company (which can very well be used on many platforms and oracles, many of which are perhaps even more interesting and realistic than 23andMe itself).
But looking at the hard facts, the only real purpose of 23andMe's smoothing was to create an audience of dissatisfied users and among them to induce owners of old chips (10 or more years ago) to re-do the test, under penalty of exclusion from future updates.
Tricks from shopkeepers of questionable honesty

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

23andMe (and AncestryDNA) remain the best for autosomal modern dna. 23andMe more effectively smooths the result for homogenous people, while AncestryDNA is still persistent in saying im part Spanish, French, Irish, and Scandinavian.

Both have given me the region of Central/Southern Portugal.

Can you share your results from 23 and me and AncestryDNA with me?
I only got ftdna and myheritage results.

 

[Luso]

Can you share your results from 23 and me and AncestryDNA with me?
I only got ftdna and myheritage results.

Sure. In my case I am not 100% Portuguese on either commercial test. These tests aren't nearly as interesting or in-depth as G25 or qpAdm.

Nonetheless here you go:

 

[Tautalus]

In my case, 23andMe smoothed the results into a single ancestry, they maximized my main ancestry and did not consider any other. AncestryDNA is more detailed and accurate.

 

[Kirgonix Pereira]

I never did 23 and me neither did my ancestor, but I leave the ones I did here to give you your opinion.
Myheritage is very installed and ends up not being very accurate.

Do you think I should do some of these tests or 23 and me realy purifies our ancestry?

 

[Luso]

I never did 23 and me neither did my ancestor, but I leave the ones I did here to give you your opinion.
Myheritage is very installed and ends up not being very accurate.

Do you think I should do some of these tests or 23 and me realy purifies our ancestry?

You'll probably get close to 100% Portuguese on 23andMe. On AncestryDNA you might more variability.. My dad gets like 23% French on it for example.

 

[Tautalus]

I agree with Luso, 23andMe would probably give you close to 100% Portuguese ancestry/ethnicity.

In my opinion, it doesn't make sense to spend money on a test that will tell you that you are 100% of a single ancestry/ethnicity.

I have done tests with several companies, never with MyHeritage, I never thought their results were very accurate. For example, I saw many MH results from Portuguese, Spanish and Italians and many of them had Ashkenazi Jew, which makes no sense.​

If you want to do more testing, do Ancestry DNA, in terms of autosomal it’s perhaps the best.

 

[Duarte]

I even tried to bring a 23andMe DNA Kit to Brazil through e-Bay, since 23andMe does not deliver to Brazil, but the kit was not delivered to my home. The US logist, who claims that the object was sent, cannot say what happened. E-bay also does not know what happened and states that the deadline for refund requests had already passed (more than three months since invoicing). So here's a tip: Don't get involved with companies that are not responsible for consumer relations before the courts of the country in which you are domiciled. If the company that made the shipment and the company that intermediated the delivery were domiciled in my country, I would be fully protected by the Consumer Protection Code and could assert my consumer rights in the courts of my country. Let's just say I paid for my foolishness. However, considering the results smoothing methodology adopted by 23andMe, which inflates the results according to the client's dominant ethnicity, I believe that I didn't lose much, besides the money and the possibility of having the raw data from one more company, in addition to those that already I have. I believe that the smoothing of results is currently a trend in the algorithms and analysis of 'geneticists' working for commercial DNA companies, as can be seen in the results presented to me by some of them that I transcribe next:

MyHeritage DNA Health Kit
Portuguese 98.7%
Algerian 1.3%

MyHeritage DNA kit
Portuguese 96.5%
Tunisian 3.5%

tellmeGen
Portugal 95.7%
West Africa 4.3%

ADNTRO
IBERIAN: 95%
Cantabria 39%
Galician 39%
Portugal 14%
Basque 3%
ITALIAN: 5%
Sardinian 5%

TRACE RESULTS
Broad North Africa < 1%

Family Tree DNA MyOrigins
Iberian 63%
Italian 26%
Central Europe 6%

Trace results
Scandinavia < 1%
Middle Eastern and North Africa <2%
Africa < 2%
Asia < 1%

Living DNA
East iberia 50.9%
West Iberia 10.6%
Tuscany 11.1%
Sardinia 4.4%
Northwest Germanic 9.4%
Orkney Islands 3.3%
Middle Eastern and North Africa 5.3%
West Africa 5 %

 

[Tautalus]

Even in terms of raw data, AncestryDNA is better. In Admixture Studio, for example, we can see that the genotype ratio coverage of 23andMe raw data is about 28%, while AncestryDNA has a coverage of about 91%.

For the record, AncestryDNA also smooths the results in some way, although on a smaller scale. I have a minor North Africa component and before the last update Ancestry gave me 1% , a percentage that disappeared after the last update.

The best admixture analysis for me is done by Admixtools (qpAdm), which considers historical ethnicities and not just current ethnicities. But Admixtools its tricky to use, the results can vary a lot depending on the different variables introduced, like for example the reference populations. Although I am not an expert on the subject, I think that my Admixtools results are the closest to my authentic historical ancestry. It makes complete sense because it fits with what I know about my genetics and also fits with the main population movements that occurred in West Iberia and with what the different genetic studies have revealed about that region.​

(France_ BellBeaker represents the Celtic/Gaul ethnicity)

 

[torzio]

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

 

[Vallicanus]

My 23andMe regional breakdown is Tuscany, Emilia-Romagna, Sicily, Campania, Abruzzo, Veneto, in that order.

My ancestors are all from north-west Tuscany with perhaps a bit of Apennine Emilia thrown in.

 

[torzio]

my paternal line from 1450 to about 1600 was in val di non, trentino and also feltre.
after this always around montebelluna, to treviso town

maternal from marostica town, vicrnza, from 1350 .......as per last month records sent by authorities, original surname was Fabro, changed surname once arriving in Asolo.....from 1550 around Asolo and Fonte, Veneto

 

[hapiness15]

I even tried to bring a 23andMe DNA Kit to Brazil through e-Bay, since 23andMe does not deliver to Brazil, but the kit was not delivered to my home. The US logist, who claims that the object was sent, cannot say what happened. E-bay also does not know what happened and states that the deadline for refund requests had already passed (more than three months since invoicing). So here's a tip: Don't get involved with companies that are not responsible for consumer relations before the courts of the country in which you are domiciled. If the company that made the shipment and the company that intermediated the delivery were domiciled in my country, I would be fully protected by the Consumer Protection Code and could assert my consumer rights in the courts of my country. Let's just say I paid for my foolishness. However, considering the results smoothing methodology adopted by 23andMe, which inflates the results according to the client's dominant ethnicity, I believe that I didn't lose much, besides the money and the possibility of having the raw data from one more company, in addition to those that already I have. I believe that the smoothing of results is currently a trend in the algorithms and analysis of 'geneticists' working for commercial DNA companies, as can be seen in the results presented to me by some of them that I transcribe next:

MyHeritage DNA Health Kit
Portuguese 98.7%
Algerian 1.3%

MyHeritage DNA kit
Portuguese 96.5%
Tunisian 3.5%

tellmeGen
Portugal 95.7%
West Africa 4.3%

ADNTRO
IBERIAN: 95%
Cantabria 39%
Galician 39%
Portugal 14%
Basque 3%
ITALIAN: 5%
Sardinian 5%

TRACE RESULTS
Broad North Africa < 1%

Family Tree DNA MyOrigins
Iberian 63%
Italian 26%
Central Europe 6%

Trace results
Scandinavia < 1%
Middle Eastern and North Africa <2%
Africa < 2%
Asia < 1%

Living DNA
East iberia 50.9%
West Iberia 10.6%
Tuscany 11.1%
Sardinia 4.4%
Northwest Germanic 9.4%
Orkney Islands 3.3%
Middle Eastern and North Africa 5.3%
West Africa 5 %

An interesting thing that i did was to merge the raw data, in my case my K13 and K15 weren't very good, the Portuguese ethnicity sometimes appeared together with a Spanish ethnicity as high as the Portuguese and some other minority ethnicities that I have not appeared in some coordinates, but when I merged these two raw dates from different companies, these minority ethnicities started to appear, the shift towards northern Europe in K13 and K15 was also so high that it was being placed in a Norwegian sample Since I can't triangulate any matches coming from these Scandinavian regions, in other words it didn't make any sense, but with the merge the shift to northern Europe ended up in the Netherlands, passing between southeast England, Netherlands, Belgium, which are the only 3 non-Iberian countries that I can triangulate in a segment several matches without distant Iberian ancestors in their family trees, I can only triangulate matches from these regions but from no other country , i did check France , Germany , Switzerland , Austria , Italy , Ireland , Norway , Sweden and all these countries non-iberian matches was basically distant iberian in their family tree , you can notice that by their family tree or adn correspondence shared where will appear a lot of people with iberian surnames, but only way to confirm If these matches are valid, it would be by testing one of my parents and observing whether the same matches will appear in the same position in the segment and whether the quantity will increase, india is coming from Romani ethnicity

 

[Duarte]

An interesting thing that i did was to merge the raw data, in my case my K13 and K15 weren't very good, the Portuguese ethnicity sometimes appeared together with a Spanish ethnicity as high as the Portuguese and some other minority ethnicities that I have not appeared in some coordinates, but when I merged these two raw dates from different companies, these minority ethnicities started to appear, the shift towards northern Europe in K13 and K15 was also so high that it was being placed in a Norwegian sample Since I can't triangulate any matches coming from these Scandinavian regions, in other words it didn't make any sense, but with the merge the shift to northern Europe ended up in the Netherlands, passing between southeast England, Netherlands, Belgium, which are the only 3 non-Iberian countries that I can triangulate in a segment several matches without distant Iberian ancestors in their family trees, I can only triangulate matches from these regions but from no other country , i did check France , Germany , Switzerland , Austria , Italy , Ireland , Norway , Sweden and all these countries non-iberian matches was basically distant iberian in their family tree , you can notice that by their family tree or adn correspondence shared where will appear a lot of people with iberian surnames, but only way to confirm If these matches are valid, it would be by testing one of my parents and observing whether the same matches will appear in the same position in the segment and whether the quantity will increase, india is coming from Romani ethnicity

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Hi hapiness15. Hope all is fine.
I didn't really like much the G25 result of my DNA merged kit (98% SNP coverage, according DNA Genics and GEDMATCH) compared to my original MH Ancestry Kit (96% SNP coverage, also according to DNA Genics and GEDMATCH). Maybe because the G25 coordinates of the merged kit are simulated and those of the original MH kit are the official G25 coordinates obtained from Illustrative DNA.

My documented familiar ancestry is 100% Iberian, with yet undocumented Amerindian and sub-Saharan mixtures . Anything that deviates from this line, in my specific case, I see as fictitious and I see it as overlap. For me, personally, it is very difficult to accept any type of European ancestry that does not come from the Iberian Peninsula. The results from aDNA companies have been increasingly monotonous, boring and uniform, pointing to Iberia as my absolute and majority ethnic origin (90%+). But I believe that this is my correct ancestry. Monotonous. Without any surprise, I am a Brazilian national and an ethnic Iberian, including my yDNA R1b-DF27/R-FGC35133 that indicates this very clearly. Scares me when they say that I have ancestry from Tuscany, Sardinia, France, Germany, the British Isles, Italy or even MENA (if I have MENA, it came to me through my Iberian ancestors). I accept naturally when I see modern Iberians and also modern non-Europeans from sub-Saharan Africa and America appearing in my reported ancestry. People who lived in France, Germany, Italy, MENA, and Iberia itself, in the Upper Paleolithic, Neolithic, Chalcolithic, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Classical Antiquity and even the Middle Ages are part of the genesis of the modern Spanish and Portuguese people, without a doubt. But I believe that the proposal of these commercial DNA tests is this - modern ancestry - modern populations referenced in their algorithms. In this sense, I understand it is correct to say that ethnically I am very Iberian with some African and Amerindian strains. IMHO, saying that I have modern ethnic ancestry in Germany, France, British Isles, Italy, MENA, is not correct. In this sense, I prefer the modern results from tellmeGen and ADNTRO, DNA companies based in Spain that have a good reference base of modern populations from Iberia and also from Europe and that can also provide analysis of genetic health conditions that are more prevalent in these populations and in Iberians in particular.

 

[hapiness15]

Hi hapiness15. Hope all is fine.
I didn't really like much the G25 result of my DNA merged kit (98% SNP coverage, according DNA Genics and GEDMATCH) compared to my original MH Ancestry Kit (96% SNP coverage, also according to DNA Genics and GEDMATCH). Maybe because the G25 coordinates of the merged kit are simulated and those of the original MH kit are the official G25 coordinates obtained from Illustrative DNA.

My documented familiar ancestry is 100% Iberian, with yet undocumented Amerindian and sub-Saharan mixtures . Anything that deviates from this line, in my specific case, I see as fictitious and I see it as overlap. For me, personally, it is very difficult to accept any type of European ancestry that does not come from the Iberian Peninsula. The results from aDNA companies have been increasingly monotonous, boring and uniform, pointing to Iberia as my absolute and majority ethnic origin (90%+). But I believe that this is my correct ancestry. Monotonous. Without any surprise, I am a Brazilian national and an ethnic Iberian, including my yDNA R1b-DF27/R-FGC35133 that indicates this very clearly. Scares me when they say that I have ancestry from Tuscany, Sardinia, France, Germany, the British Isles, Italy or even MENA (if I have MENA, it came to me through my Iberian ancestors). I accept naturally when I see modern Iberians and also modern non-Europeans from sub-Saharan Africa and America appearing in my reported ancestry. People who lived in France, Germany, Italy, MENA, and Iberia itself, in the Upper Paleolithic, Neolithic, Chalcolithic, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Classical Antiquity and even the Middle Ages are part of the genesis of the modern Spanish and Portuguese people, without a doubt. But I believe that the proposal of these commercial DNA tests is this - modern ancestry - modern populations referenced in their algorithms. In this sense, I understand it is correct to say that ethnically I am very Iberian with some African and Amerindian strains. IMHO, saying that I have modern ethnic ancestry in Germany, France, British Isles, Italy, MENA, is not correct. In this sense, I prefer the modern results from tellmeGen and ADNTRO, DNA companies based in Spain that have a good reference base of modern populations from Iberia and also from Europe and that can also provide analysis of genetic health conditions that are more prevalent in these populations and in Iberians in particular.

individual samples have a lot of mixed samples , can send your merged coords to try with a average calc?

 

[hapiness15]

Hi hapiness15. Hope all is fine.
I didn't really like much the G25 result of my DNA merged kit (98% SNP coverage, according DNA Genics and GEDMATCH) compared to my original MH Ancestry Kit (96% SNP coverage, also according to DNA Genics and GEDMATCH). Maybe because the G25 coordinates of the merged kit are simulated and those of the original MH kit are the official G25 coordinates obtained from Illustrative DNA.

My documented familiar ancestry is 100% Iberian, with yet undocumented Amerindian and sub-Saharan mixtures . Anything that deviates from this line, in my specific case, I see as fictitious and I see it as overlap. For me, personally, it is very difficult to accept any type of European ancestry that does not come from the Iberian Peninsula. The results from aDNA companies have been increasingly monotonous, boring and uniform, pointing to Iberia as my absolute and majority ethnic origin (90%+). But I believe that this is my correct ancestry. Monotonous. Without any surprise, I am a Brazilian national and an ethnic Iberian, including my yDNA R1b-DF27/R-FGC35133 that indicates this very clearly. Scares me when they say that I have ancestry from Tuscany, Sardinia, France, Germany, the British Isles, Italy or even MENA (if I have MENA, it came to me through my Iberian ancestors). I accept naturally when I see modern Iberians and also modern non-Europeans from sub-Saharan Africa and America appearing in my reported ancestry. People who lived in France, Germany, Italy, MENA, and Iberia itself, in the Upper Paleolithic, Neolithic, Chalcolithic, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Classical Antiquity and even the Middle Ages are part of the genesis of the modern Spanish and Portuguese people, without a doubt. But I believe that the proposal of these commercial DNA tests is this - modern ancestry - modern populations referenced in their algorithms. In this sense, I understand it is correct to say that ethnically I am very Iberian with some African and Amerindian strains. IMHO, saying that I have modern ethnic ancestry in Germany, France, British Isles, Italy, MENA, is not correct. In this sense, I prefer the modern results from tellmeGen and ADNTRO, DNA companies based in Spain that have a good reference base of modern populations from Iberia and also from Europe and that can also provide analysis of genetic health conditions that are more prevalent in these populations and in Iberians in particular.

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Southern.v2:Cyprus,0.1010969,0.1476261,-0.0460541,-0.0685837,-0.0032825,-0.0231878,-0.0002686,-0.003967,-0.0017238,0.0167919,0.0032091,0.0013131,0.0005663,0.0024969,-0.0125056,0.0002841,0.0051099,0.000555,0.0032203,-0.002257,-0.002151,0.0011953,-0.0015436,0.0026681,-0.000998
Southern.v2:Greece,0.114846,0.1445099,-0.0041639,-0.0345836,0.0114162,-0.0116883,0.0026379,-0.0008963,-0.0034625,0.0138687,0.0023775,0.0022983,-0.0035142,0.0057909,-0.013369,-0.002887,0.0058441,0.0010114,0.0051216,-0.0042356,-0.0050096,0.0013782,0.0013402,0.0006421,-0.0013707
Southern.v2:Italy,0.1160912,0.1475467,0.0124004,-0.0243908,0.0241347,-0.0089851,0.0009555,-0.0005419,0.0072179,0.0226022,-0.0008627,0.0043428,-0.0090109,-0.0032736,-0.0039812,-0.001934,0.0017011,0.0005811,0.0029856,-0.0036246,-0.0020506,0.0015323,-0.0001164,0.0028339,-0.0003809
Southern.v2:Portugal,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053
Southern.v2:Spain,0.1167516,0.1468214,0.0423019,0.0004833,0.0449001,-0.0013727,-0.001644,0.0018936,0.0233905,0.0323268,-0.0032129,0.0079422,-0.0151961,-0.0126213,0.0096531,0.0005964,-0.0027105,-0.0000932,-0.0020745,-0.0016142,0.0037468,-0.000729,-0.002501,-0.0030021,0.000449
Southern.v2:Turkey,0.1002831,0.0830109,-0.0202461,-0.0328479,-0.0192237,-0.0111221,0.0048499,-0.0005237,-0.0189845,-0.0007441,-0.0006198,0.0015332,-0.002934,0.0019408,-0.0049107,0.0001046,0.0038407,0.0008581,0.0018955,-0.0012275,-0.0025183,0.0000178,-0.0016338,-0.0004467,-0.0001946
Western.v2:Austria,0.1396886,0.1350056,0.054394,0.032737,0.0347756,0.0125666,0.0072299,0.0062441,0.0028274,0.0027551,-0.0038781,0.0007847,-0.0012942,0.0027849,0.0005029,0.0036968,0.0002223,0.00079,0.0031793,0.0008385,-0.0009909,-0.0026548,0.0016675,0.0029627,-0.0010284
Western.v2:Belgium,0.1283672,0.1415649,0.0527382,0.0275196,0.0391731,0.0113787,0.0028618,0.0050973,0.0079901,0.010922,-0.0040958,0.0051887,-0.0114865,-0.0086366,0.0131347,0.0020183,-0.0059803,0.0016131,0.0018185,0.0001416,0.0033773,0.0029347,-0.000419,0.0089033,-0.0011842
Western.v2:England,0.1310256,0.1383978,0.0615714,0.0435978,0.0405656,0.0165798,0.0042096,0.0060675,0.0058728,0.0063225,-0.0047016,0.0060474,-0.0131674,-0.0102992,0.020685,0.003362,-0.011448,0.0031043,0.0037232,0.0031019,0.0053728,0.0036374,-0.0020138,0.0140804,0.0003612
Western.v2:France,0.1273729,0.1440659,0.0478882,0.0147089,0.0439079,0.005491,0.0009841,0.002339,0.0155078,0.0241214,-0.0045546,0.0069175,-0.0149475,-0.0106485,0.010386,0.0026208,-0.0032744,0.0015292,0.0009599,-0.0009794,0.0042712,0.0021594,-0.0027492,0.0011393,-0.0006154
Western.v2:Germany,0.1295034,0.1367738,0.0596762,0.0438231,0.0391951,0.016815,0.0055418,0.0068436,0.003196,-0.0016777,-0.0041569,0.0004729,-0.0029051,0.0020815,0.0059214,0.0013109,-0.004391,0.0018018,0.0039452,0.0005626,0.0012972,0.0009522,0.0015981,0.0059926,-0.0002676
Western.v2:Holland,0.1276619,0.1342783,0.0602712,0.0440759,0.0408435,0.0163974,0.0054023,0.0072633,0.0042087,0.0019245,-0.0056347,0.0044274,-0.0098456,-0.0086761,0.01783,0.0056231,-0.0065161,0.0017477,0.0039087,0.0028161,0.00448,0.0033848,-5.1e-06,0.0138921,-0.0006557
Western.v2:Ireland,0.1333666,0.1340977,0.0612989,0.0488642,0.037788,0.0193517,0.0032928,0.0047129,0.0035683,0.0029265,-0.0069712,0.0058395,-0.0141892,-0.0140763,0.0259353,0.0052146,-0.0111456,0.0018944,0.0005974,0.0017758,0.0051145,0.0012787,0.0002929,0.0144074,0.0006607
Western.v2:Scotland,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0.039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0.0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246,0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Western.v2:Wales,0.1319779,0.1382658,0.0611319,0.0430236,0.0405922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392,0.0062789,0.0043372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0.0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083
Amerindian_BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Karitiana:B_Karitiana-3,0.056912,-0.318876,0.114645,0.105622,-0.118791,-0.009761,-0.318439,-0.3736,-0.015953,-0.017859,0.000812,-0.001499,-0.001338,0.026836,-0.005565,-0.001856,0.006128,0.002407,0.000251,-0.001751,-0.000749,0.008532,-0.002095,-0.006868,-0.007185
SSA:Yoruban,-0.686071,0.074880,0.020240,0.016077,0.001196,0.015396,0.006907,0.009556,-0.045495,0.036910,0.006712,-0.008605,0.012112,0.000026,0.005497,-0.002914,0.001972,0.007237,-0.006882,0.000631,-0.001528,-0.003207,0.002004,0.000348,-0.000322
Bantu-West:1,-0.63058,0.0639785,0.0214955,0.018088,0.001385,0.0110165,-0.0314915,0.0406135,-0.0452,0.0336225,0.004141,-0.0014235,0.0178395,0.002477,0.0050895,-0.0049725,0.0082795,0.0041805,0.0030795,0.001563,-6.25e-05,0.000371,-0.0025885,0.001145,-0.0024545
Benue–West:2,-0.6283035,0.064486,0.01961,0.0172805,0.000154,0.013805,-0.0143355,0.0265375,-0.0338485,0.0219595,0.0061705,-0.003447,0.0026755,-0.001445,-0.000611,0.0035135,0.0001955,-0.00019,0.00044,0.0013755,-0.000811,-0.0014835,-0.001171,-0.001265,-0.0002395
Bantu-East:3,-0.5978967,0.063688,0.0171859,0.007106,-1e-07,0.0058569,-0.0145036,0.0188894,0.0045287,-0.0215819,-0.0050573,0.015993,-0.0328754,0.0011991,-0.0304013,0.0267264,-0.0180303,-0.0024431,-0.009948,0.0047167,0.0016934,0.0001946,0.0034157,0.0039763,0.0006671
Bantu-South:4,-0.4390726,0.0761646,-0.0113606,-0.0358126,-0.0048085,-0.0186506,-0.0065801,0.0041826,0.0979414,-0.089979,-0.0168479,0.005826,-0.0256252,-0.001187,0.0118755,-0.0181648,0.022915,-0.0056376,0.0184462,-0.0199158,-0.0011699,-0.0001235,-0.0053612,-0.0033435,0.0049845[/img]

try after this model here , problem individual samples lot of them is mixed

 

[hapiness15]

Hi hapiness15. Hope all is fine.
I didn't really like much the G25 result of my DNA merged kit (98% SNP coverage, according DNA Genics and GEDMATCH) compared to my original MH Ancestry Kit (96% SNP coverage, also according to DNA Genics and GEDMATCH). Maybe because the G25 coordinates of the merged kit are simulated and those of the original MH kit are the official G25 coordinates obtained from Illustrative DNA.

My documented familiar ancestry is 100% Iberian, with yet undocumented Amerindian and sub-Saharan mixtures . Anything that deviates from this line, in my specific case, I see as fictitious and I see it as overlap. For me, personally, it is very difficult to accept any type of European ancestry that does not come from the Iberian Peninsula. The results from aDNA companies have been increasingly monotonous, boring and uniform, pointing to Iberia as my absolute and majority ethnic origin (90%+). But I believe that this is my correct ancestry. Monotonous. Without any surprise, I am a Brazilian national and an ethnic Iberian, including my yDNA R1b-DF27/R-FGC35133 that indicates this very clearly. Scares me when they say that I have ancestry from Tuscany, Sardinia, France, Germany, the British Isles, Italy or even MENA (if I have MENA, it came to me through my Iberian ancestors). I accept naturally when I see modern Iberians and also modern non-Europeans from sub-Saharan Africa and America appearing in my reported ancestry. People who lived in France, Germany, Italy, MENA, and Iberia itself, in the Upper Paleolithic, Neolithic, Chalcolithic, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Classical Antiquity and even the Middle Ages are part of the genesis of the modern Spanish and Portuguese people, without a doubt. But I believe that the proposal of these commercial DNA tests is this - modern ancestry - modern populations referenced in their algorithms. In this sense, I understand it is correct to say that ethnically I am very Iberian with some African and Amerindian strains. IMHO, saying that I have modern ethnic ancestry in Germany, France, British Isles, Italy, MENA, is not correct. In this sense, I prefer the modern results from tellmeGen and ADNTRO, DNA companies based in Spain that have a good reference base of modern populations from Iberia and also from Europe and that can also provide analysis of genetic health conditions that are more prevalent in these populations and in Iberians in particular.

o problema de algumas coordenadas é que por exemplo essa average que te enviei agora , quando coloco meu K13 simulado o proxy do norte da europa vai parar na suecia


[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]Target: HapinessK13
Distance: 1.0904% / 0.01090433[/TH]
[TH][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]49.0[/TD]
[TD]Southern.v2:Spain[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]22.0[/TD]
[TD]SSA:Yoruban[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.8[/TD]
[TD]Southern.v2P ortugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.4[/TD]
[TD]Karitiana:B_Karitiana-3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.8[/TD]
[TD]Northern.v2:Sweden[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.0[/TD]
[TD]Bantu-South:4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1.0[/TD]
[TD]Bantu-East:3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

ja o seu resultado do K13 ele tende a puxar mais espanha


[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]Target: Me_G25_SimulatedFromK13
Distance: 0.9519% / 0.00951917[/TH]
[TH][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]85.8[/TD]
[TD]Southern.v2:Spain[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.0[/TD]
[TD]Southern.v2P ortugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.0[/TD]
[TD]SSA:Yoruban[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1.2[/TD]
[TD]Bantu-South:4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

ja o merged ele fica mais bem definido nessa calculadora so que sem distancia aparece uma espanha alta mas com adc aparece somente portugal

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[TR]
[TH]Target: Merged_Dnagenics
Distance: 1.1215% / 0.01121546[/TH]
[TH][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]33.2[/TD]
[TD]Southern.v2P ortugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]27.4[/TD]
[TD]Southern.v2:Spain[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]22.4[/TD]
[TD]Bantu-West:1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.2[/TD]
[TD]Amerindian_BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.6[/TD]
[TD]Western.v2:Holland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.4[/TD]
[TD]Bantu-South:4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]0.8[/TD]
[TD]Western.v2:Belgium[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Duarte]

The modern G25 averages completely kick the Portuguese ancestry away from me, whether in the simulated coordinates where the distances are smaller, or in the official coordinates that have worse distances, but offer a better mix, IMO. In the 2-way mode, the mix of Iberian and African in the percentages indicated seems reasonable. However, I disagree that I have a Catalan bias. I do have recent ancestry from Spanish people from Galicia and Andalusia, but in a direct division by 2 from past generations it would not exceed 25% in me and my generation. I know that the combination of aDNA SNPs does not follow this simplistic rule, since everything happens very randomly, and chance may have made me much more ethnic Spanish than ethnic Portuguese, as it should be. A mix of colonial Portuguese from the north of Portugal with modern Galicians and a pinch of modern Andalusians could have easily moved me from Portugal to Spain considering the modern G25 averages. Without wanting to create controversy, because this has already been the subject of heated discussions here on Eupedia and I believe that we have already moved beyond that phase, the truth is that there is no transparency or information about the scientific method used to obtain the modern coordinates of the G25, because it seems that they are based much more on data obtained from bloggers and G25 enthusiast users than on modern population files that are used in academic work. I can even give a discount and accept that the large number of individual samples (more than 10,000) can reduce the standard deviation of the averages obtained, increasing the precision of the average coordinates obtained and minimizing the effect of individuals far outside the statistical curve, and even accept the argument that the population files used in academic work come from data from 1000 genomes, HapMap 3 (all old, outdated and not very representative), and from specific studies on diseases in certain modern groups in which WGS of many individuals was performed. So, it's always like this: everything should be taken with a grain of salt and, particularly, the Portuguese who have almost no representation among the populations of academic genetic studies who almost always see all Iberians as IBS (Iberian Population of Spain), which is very far from reality even for typical modern Spaniards themselves.