How much of a Neanderthal are you ?

Has anyone debated this on this website?


http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm#RH

Personally, I find it intriguing though I can see how the evidence can be refuted. I'd like to know what other's think. I'd post it on 23andme but it's way too contraversial for that.

Beware...if you're easily offended, you may not want to read it.

There are some interesting ideas, but the author does not appear to be a specialist. Not much can prove these theories at the moment, except maybe things like a connection between Rhesus type and autism/asperger if enough data supports it. We can hypothesised that Neanderthal introduced Rh- (or hereditary psychological traits like OCD, schizophrenia, etc.) to the modern human gene pool, but we won't know until many Neanderthal (and contemporary Homo Sapiens) genomes are sequenced.

I believe that most geneticists at present are misled into searching for a connection between modern humans and "Western Neanderthals". They should be looking at the "Eastern" (Central Asian/Caucasian) Neanderthals instead.


Someone has recorded a TT for the SNP at 23andme. I don't know how to highlight someone's text...but Maciamo indicated there were no TT's in the database. There is one at 23andme!

Doesn't mean much. I was just saying that the NCBI database did not have individuals with the TT allele for that SNP, but the database only has a few hundred samples, not millions. It cannot accurately represent the whole population.

(NB : just click on "quote" to highlight someone else's text)
 
Maybe Neander mtdna lineages are not present among us because of male inheritance of mtdna???
Male inheritance
It has been reported that mitochondria can occasionally be inherited from the father in some species such as mussels.[6][7] Paternally inherited mitochondria have additionally been reported in some insects such as fruit flies,[8] honeybees,[9] and periodical cicadas.[10]
Evidence supports rare instances of male mitochondrial inheritance in some mammals as well. Specifically, documented occurrences exist for mice,[11][12] where the male-inherited mitochondria was subsequently rejected. It has also been found in sheep,[13] and in cloned cattle.[14] It has been found in a single case in a human male and was linked to infertility.[15]
While many of these cases involve cloned embryos or subsequent rejection of the paternal mitochondria, others document in vivo inheritance and persistence under lab conditions.
Wikipedia
 
Another idea is that Neanderthals may have replaced their mtdna lineage through marrying with sapiens women in Near East during the first emigration of sapiens, and then the second migration of sapiens has replaced father lineage, through marrying with Neanderthal women??
 
Maciamo, did you say that Mtdna Haplogroup X, may have been Neanderthal mother lineage???
 
Maciamo, did you say that Mtdna Haplogroup X, may have been Neanderthal mother lineage???

That post is outdated. What I meant is that X is found in higher densities in cold and remote mountain areas, where the remnants of Neanderthals could have survived longer and interbred with Homo Sapiens. X itself surely isn't Neanderthalian but its early carriers may have interbred with Neanderthal. Just forget about it; aDNA would have spread to any other haplogroup fairly quickly.
 
The latest news is that Neanderthals had the "talking gene" (FOXP2) before we did. So they reckon that humans got the ability for speach from Neanderthals. So in effect we all have some Neanderthal in us as we all can speak apart from some rare unfortunate individuals who have a muattion in FOXP2 that alters their ability for enunciation.
 
A new study which was just released, has found some mitochondrial DNA from the Altai Mountains and dated to about 40,000 years before the present which is neither Neanderthal nor Modern man.

This is the link: cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/03/24/2240236.aspx

Here is a snippet: "A DNA sample taken from an ancient pinky bone suggests that a previously unknown group of human ancestors mixed it up with Neanderthals and modern humans 40,000 years ago. Was it a completely different species? Too early to say, but it might depend on what your definition of "species" is.

The finding, published in this week's issue of the journal Nature, emerged from a check of DNA samples from Denisova Cave in southern Siberia's Altai Mountains. Anthropologists know that the cave was occupied by human ancestors off and on for at least 125,000 years, based on the artifacts and bits of bone found there.

The pinky bone was found in 2008, within a layer of material that has been dated to between 30,000 and 48,000 years ago. That's the precise time frame when both modern humans and Neanderthals inhabited the Altai Mountains.

Johannes Krause of Germany's Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology was surprised to discover that it didn't match either species.

The researchers ran the numbers (Mitochondrial DNA) for the pinky-bone sample, which they presume came from a young female nicknamed "X-Woman." They concluded that X-Woman's ancestors diverged from modern humans and Neanderthals about 1 million years ago. "
 
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100420/full/news.2010.194.html

Neanderthals may have interbred with humans
Genetic data points to ancient liaisons between species.

Rex Dalton


An interspecies love child?Christoph P.E. Zollikofer
Archaic humans such as Neanderthals may be gone but they're not forgotten — at least not in the human genome. A genetic analysis of nearly 2,000 people from around the world indicates that such extinct species interbred with the ancestors of modern humans twice, leaving their genes within the DNA of people today.

The discovery, presented at the annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists in Albuquerque, New Mexico, on 17 April, adds important new details to the evolutionary history of the human species. And it may help explain the fate of the Neanderthals, who vanished from the fossil record about 30,000 years ago. "It means Neanderthals didn't completely disappear," says Jeffrey Long, a genetic anthropologist at the University of New Mexico, whose group conducted the analysis. There is a little bit of Neanderthal leftover in almost all humans, he says.

The researchers arrived at that conclusion by studying genetic data from 1,983 individuals from 99 populations in Africa, Europe, Asia, Oceania and the Americas. Sarah Joyce, a doctoral student working with Long, analyzed 614 microsatellite positions, which are sections of the genome that can be used like fingerprints. She then created an evolutionary tree to explain the observed genetic variation in microsatellites. The best way to explain that variation was if there were two periods of interbreeding between humans and an archaic species, such as Homo neanderthalensis or H. heidelbergensis.

"This is not what we expected to find," says Long.

Using projected rates of genetic mutation and data from the fossil record, the researchers suggest that the interbreeding happened about 60,000 years ago in the eastern Mediterranean and, more recently, about 45,000 years ago in eastern Asia. Those two events happened after the first H. sapiens had migrated out of Africa, says Long. His group didn't find evidence of interbreeding in the genomes of the modern African people included in the study.

The researchers suggest that the population from the first interbreeding went on to migrate to Europe, Asia and North America. Then the second interbreeding with an archaic population in eastern Asia further altered the genetic makeup of people in Oceania.

The talk at the anthropology meeting caught the attention of many researchers, some of whom have been trying to explain puzzling variations in the human genome. "They are onto something," says Noah Rosenberg, an anthropological geneticist at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, who heard the talk.

A test of the New Mexico team's proposals may come soon. Svante Pääbo and colleagues at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, announced early last year that they had finished sequencing a first draft of the Neanderthal genome, and they are expected to publish their work in the near future. Pääbo's earlier studies on components of Neanderthal genomes largely ruled out interbreeding, but they were not based on more comprehensive analyses of the complete genome.

Linda Vigilant, an anthropologist at the Planck Institute, found Joyce's talk a convincing answer to "subtle deviations" noticed in genetic variation in the Pacific region.

"This information is really helpful," says Vigilant. "And it's cool."

The paleontological record also is producing fossils that complement such interbreeding theories. Pääbo's team and Russian colleagues recently reported the mitochondrial genome of an archaic human from the Altai Mountains — in southern Siberia near ancient Asian trade routes1.

The ancient mitochondrial DNA came from a piece of finger bone, which the groups haven't identified by species. It could be Neanderthal, a new Homo species or some other archaic form — like H. erectus, who spread to Oceania by 1.8 million years ago.

The Pääbo team reported that the bone was from an individual that lived 30,000–48,000 years ago in Denisova Cave, near where both modern humans and Neanderthals then dwelled. But the age of the bone has been questioned by researchers, who say the cave's sediments may have been reworked, making the bone's layer older.

ADVERTISEMENT

At the anthropology meeting, Theodore Schurr, a molecular anthropologist at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, said the genetic model showing interbreeding raises questions about the range of species, like H. heidelbergensis. He noted that human skeletons found at Lake Mungo in New South Wales, Australia, have robust features, which may represent the result of interbreeding; they are dated to more than 20,000 years ago.

Keith Hunley, another member of the New Mexico group, said the team is now moving to publish its results in the near future.
 
Thanks Shasta, great find. It confirms what most of us here suspected.
 
...and how about the ones running around today that are 100% Neanderthal????:LOL:
 
Check this out : How Neanderthal Are You? Buy This Kit and See

In May, scientists finished mapping the genes of the Neanderthal and determined that as much as 4% of those genes are in people today. Now one company has unveiled a test to determine just how much Neanderthal is inside you. Sort of.

The $90 kit from DNA Consultants purports to “estimate how much Neanderthal is in your ancestry.” It comes up with a "Neanderthal Index," which "reports any strong matches you have with populations identified as Archaic, those preserving the earliest earmarks of interbreeding between Neanderthals and humans."

Problem is :

"The material makes it perfectly clear that the product does not test any gene variants that scientific research has shown may have come from Neanderthals. Instead, the product reports on gene variants that we don't know about from Neanderthals. Huh?"

So, it's a good idea to test how much Neanderthal DNA is in us. This for sure will sell. But it's too early to do it. We need to get a high-resolution DNA test (at least 23andMe level but hopefully higher) and compare it with Neanderthal DNA. BUT, we only know the DNA sequence of ONE Neanderthalian individual, and no contemporary Homo Sapiens, AFAIK. So even if a company provided a serious test, it won't be very meaningful until we get more ancient samples tested.
 
Not very much Neanderthal apparent in my physical appearance, I have a rather high forehead and very little brow ridge and only the suggestion of an occipital bun, and absolutely no space behind the former location of my wisdom teeth.
Rufosity isn't apparent in me personally but I am sure that I have it through some recessive genes since my son is a very fair skinned, blue eyed red head who otherwise looks just like me.
 
How accurate is this? Because according to it, I'm a freaking neanderthal.
 
I have all of these traits, although i live in Canada all of my ancestors come from western Europe
 
Present day people do resemble Neanderthalians!

To prove it I could even attach a picture of a face from a current day Lithuania...
 
Why all the attention is pointed to the northen branch of the neanderthals? The southern branch is much bigger and probably more important. They were not blond for sure the northernmost they get is south England.Not many blonds around the middle east which suggests they can't be blue-eyed and blond.
One thing is for sure... The map of the neanderthals matches perfectly the map of white curly people and some how it matches more or less the map of The Roman empire.... which is... odd...
Are the neanderthals that backwarded than homosapiens for real? I doubt it...They managed to reach and survive in Europe much earlier than homosapiens (the early european homesapiens looked more like gypsies - "the missing link" LoL j/k). That common image for the neanderthals of bainless animals is somehow wrong. They were making some kind of glue which even for a "modern human" is quite a challange. All european neanderthals came from the Balkans (no offence meant here). There was no "trans-caucasian" migration thru south Russia and Ukraine.The Bosphorus (the strait between Black and Marmara sea) didn't exist during the age of the neanderthals. There was a solid land between Europe and Asia which made the migration easier.
The traits of the neanderthals: Tough built,hairy backs, strong bones, connected eyebrows, short legs,curly hair,low forehead,big noses... all that sounds somehow familiar....very mediterranean in some way...
 
i have:
Retromolar space posterior to the third molar
Little or no protruding chin
Larger mental foramen in mandible for facial blood supply
Short, bowed shoulder blades
Large round finger tips
Fair skin, hair and eyes, blond hair, light skin, bluegreen eyes


100% European decent, i might fit into more of the characteristics but i am not sure how to check most of them.
 
Could Neanderthals be responsible for Rh negative blood?
 
I'm sure most of you are aware of this but for those who aren't, there's a fun little analysis on Interpretome that allows you to upload your genome and tally your "Neanderthal Score" based on certain SNPs. It's under the "explore" section here http://http://esquilax.stanford.edu/
 

This thread has been viewed 107473 times.

Back
Top