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    Junior Member Comrade Petrov's Avatar
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    In Response to your post:


    - I do not believe in a God or any supernatural force.

    - I do not believe in the immortality of the soul.

    - I find the claim of aliens ridiculous but I do not reject the posibility that life exists beyond our solar system. I am "agnosticist" on that subject.

    - I believe that every human is born equal, is truly equal and fully entitled on his/her natural, inalienable and sacred human rights. If certain individuals do not pocess an equal status based on gender, age, nationality and wealth that must be changed and it is our duty to strive for a more egalitarian society.




    - I am for the death penalty only for war criminals, tyrrants, terrorists, mass murderors and people who have commited abominable hate crimes.

    - I do not trust private charity.

    - I am for individual freedom to consume everything, although I am reluctant on the use of heavy narcotics.

    - I am deffinetely pro-life, abortion is murder, every human has the right to life. Unauthorized abortions should be punished strictly and be considered a serious felony.

    - I think that the state is responsible for the raising of good citizens. Parents who can't deal with their children should give them for adoption on early age (that includes the abortion scenario).


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    - I believe God maintains the universe; unsure of its eternality per se -- not dogmatic about this; the Deity can do what He wants with it

    - I believe that human life is both biochemical and immortal

    - I believe in life after death

    - I believe in God, and believe that science explains how many things work, but doesn't give "meaning" per se -- this is where religion/spirituality/belief in God come in for those of us with faith

    - I am not dogmatic about belief in 'extraterrestrial life'; unsure about whether or not it exists

    - I believe individuals are highly variable in their abilities, and this is readily apparent as we see the diversity of life -- but I believe all life has value


    - I value love, knowledge, intelligence, rationality, creativity, progress, beauty, logical consistency, firm adherence to noble principle, discipline, long-suffering-ness, and refusing to bend to trends or tribes just because they're "popular"

    - I strongly disregard arrogance, selfishness, hypocrisy, and partiality/confirmation bias


    - I am for the death penalty in cases where cold-blooded murder has been unequivocally established

    - I donate occasionally to humanitarian aid after careful research to ensure it goes to worthy causes

    - I am generally for individual freedom to consume things, but analytic reasoning makes it clear that you need more boundaries for some things than others (for example, alcohol or caffeine in moderation are clearly less harmful than cocaine or meth)

    - I am against abortion, except possibly in cases of rape or incest, and I tire quickly of feminists who think this is a women's rights issue -- I'm a woman, and not all of us view it that way; after all, the embryo or fetus can just as well develop into another female as it can a male -- and you knew what could happen when you had sexual intercourse; procreation and reproduction are not rocket science -- a+b=c

    - I think that parents are fully responsible for their child(ren)'s education and well-being

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    My prime values:

    fortitude, honour, equanimity, humility, accountability


    My cosmology is still unfolding, as I am still evolving. However, to summarize: Where I stand is probably best described as fitting with Taoism combined with indigenous belief systems based on nature and Animism. I believe the universe is made of order and chaos, with order being the highest power - this is not intelligent design creationism as is associated with monotheism, but rather more abstract.

    I believe life is sacred and thus as living beings, should have a sense of reverence and gratitude for being alive as well as respect for all life forms. At the same time, being someone who sees dichotomies everywhere and that wisdom is extracted from these, there is also the profane. As such, I believe it is important to recognize the profane aspects of existence.

    I do not believe that we are born “equal”. Genetics dispels this. Equality as far as values discussion is after all more of a political ideology concept.


    In the category of profane for me would be murder and my position on that is that sometimes (only in very specific circumstances) it is acceptable and just. The value this aligns with is honour.

    Another area that has been raised by others is the question of abortion. I am anti-abortion on principle, but do not support state control of it, since I am politically on the side of the state should keep it’s nose out of moral (and person lifestyle - except for gross indecencies) decisions. Abortion is a complex matter and as far as I have tweaked it out, ethically and practically there are two types: 1) irresponsible method of birth control, 2) traumatic measure due to rape or incest. In my opinion from my extensive readings abortion (also infanticide in many world areas) is abused too much for the first reason and the first reason is unacceptable due to my value of accountability. In the second instance, I still believe it is an injustice to life, but one that is acceptable if (in cases of rape) and when (in cases of incest) it poses grave extenuating repercussions. The value my position on this aligns with is accountability.

    Further, on gross indecencies, I find gay pride parades and for that matter all “pridish” demonstrations indecent - in the sense that I am an equal opportunity prude and keeping the order and privacy where it belongs is where this comes from. But, I do believe homosexuality is not “normal” while also not supporting hurtful state measures upon homosexuals. The value my position on this aligns with humility.

    Another area falling into the category of reverence for life, is suicide, which to me is a grave sin. I borrow the word sin from organized religion, but use it in the sense of it being the most reprehensible act, without regard to religion. As for willfully dying or willingly dying and not fighting for self-preservation, there are a only a few exceptions I make as acceptable: 1) conscientious objectors, ie. Socrates 2)protecting a dependent (ie. spouse, child) from imminent threat to their life, 3) protecting one’s home from invasion. I am against assisted suicide for a few reasons. Ask me if interested, this is getting long as is. The value my position on this aligns with fortitude.

    I am against capital punishment (in other words state controlled execution). This is another complex/grey area. I support well governed law and order and for swift, fair and accountable dealing with criminality, but I draw the line at state sanctioned killing mainly because in order to curtail abuse of powers, state governance should be limited to the most basic bureaucratic matters. The value my position on this aligns with is equanimity.

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    This was very interesting to read!

    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    - I believe that the universe is eternal (both in past and future) and infinite in every direction. Therefore I do not believe in the creation or end of the universe. Reality cannot cease to exist (except in our minds when we die). Nothing is "created", matter/energy just changes form.
    You are confusing the rational with the real. Given the deeply counterintuitive findings of quantum mechanics and relativity, combined with vast remaining problems in physics (e.g. most matter appears to be non-baryonic, yet, we have no real idea what non-baryonic matter is except that it's somewhere out there, and it doesn't interact with electromagnetic radiation) I see absolutely no reason why the universe cannot spontaneously implode before you finish reading my post.

    I am for the death penalty for dictators, heads of states, military leaders, leaders of terrorist/criminal organisations, who carry the responsibility of the acts committed by their subordinates. I am against death penalty in most other cases.
    I have no idea what to say to this, but it's very compelling. It does resonate with me intuitively, yet, I have some difficulty determining what the outcome of such a policy might be, or whether it is any more just than the reverse policy of killing plebians and locking nobles in their castles (with servants).

    Everything has a scientific explanation, even if we haven't figured it out yet.
    This strikes me as a leap of faith. As an operating principle, it's practical, but there's a difference between "assume a scientific explanation exists" and "a scientific explanation really does exist."

    I do not donate to humanitarian aid because I consider that too much of it is wasted
    What do you think about the Effective Altruism movement?

    I am for individual freedom to consume drugs (alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, cocaine, chocolate, coffee, etc.) or other addictive products (video games, pornography, TV, music...) on the principle that everybody is free to do what they want with their own body and health.
    I am also for these freedoms, but maybe I'm misunderstanding you when you write that everyone is free to do what they want with their body and health. Parents who become intoxicated and die, thus abandoning their children, are failing to take appropriate responsibility for their actions. They may be legally free to do that, but they are not free of responsibility - their actions brought other people into existence and then visited misery upon them.

    Why should we sympathise for people who have irresponsible sex, then become irresponsible parents whose children will probably become delinquents or criminals because of them ?
    Mmmm. Sex is a serious issue for society.

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    (Right to Life) made to Love you

    ... this is how it ends for me + do you ever wonder who I’be +

    Abortions worldwide this year:

    8,146,470 (as of now)
    ... Gesù Cristo ... is only March,

    Live Abortion worldwide counter:
    40-50 million abortions per year, about 125,000 per day.

    imho Abortion should be rare, ... for mother's health, rape, incest, and serious extraordinary circumstances.
    Last edited by Salento; 11-03-20 at 06:54.

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    I am a Marxist from mainland China,but I see China as a capitalist state.I support self-determination of proletariats of non-Han minorities.

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    the polarized ideology makes damage, we need to be rational and be able to face the serious discussions

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    Most make sense, especially this
    I believe that each individual is absolutely unequal to others in every respect

    - I do not donate to humanitarian aid
    Hate it. I do donate blood and do charity work that's private. Went to Petrinja during the 6.4 magnitude earthquake to help, more followed, a 4.9 one was the strongest of the following. One happend before I was about to get on the roof to help with setting up new tiles for some grandpa. 1 boy died by falling as a volunteer. Also applied for more other things. But I despise the Red Cross. They get paid to do "charity" and when I apply to volunteer there's no room for volunteers? But the donations that they get are used to pay the employees very good salaries. They send people abroad for seminars. Have an acquintance who's in it. They sent her to Portugal from Croatia to hold a presentation about child kidnappings or something. That's what people donations for the needy go for?? A bloody power point and a free vacation? There's people that would do this for free. It is charity. Also, during the floods many of the things got stolen by the Red Cross, items were marked by donators and appeared elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    if it can prevent a child from being born in a negative environment (due to poverty or immaturity of the parents), or prevent the parents from having to raise a disabled child.
    I'd say this is a very narrow view. I usually hate when people use their modern opinions to judge something that's timeless and maybe even eternal if other alien species exist. A negative enviroment?
    Humans exist for 6 million years.
    Electricity (not alternating) was invented in 1882, in 1925 half the US still used candles and gas lights. Most of the world population didn't.
    But let's lie and say all of the world had electricity in 1925.
    97 years of somewhat positive enviroment (disregard world war).
    That's 0.001616667% of the time of existence of humans.
    That's not what we're made for.

    Humans have always been born and raised and died in "negative" enviroments.
    The difference is they weren't such pussies as they are today.
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